Idea to Prevent AFKers in PVP.

Why not just make it harder for people to AFK in pvp as opposed to nerfing the xp?
1. Increase how often I can kick people in PVP instances to once every 20-30 minutes.
2. Auto-Kick players who are out of combat for more than 3-4 minutes.
3. Give an additional amount of xp to 1st place teams and a smaller amount of xp to 3rd place teams.
because if you don't do something to remove the afkers, people will still just afk pvp. The XP rate doesn't have to be amazing to have people afk-ing it. It just has to have people willing and able to AFK it.

Let me know your opinions guys.

Agreed. They're making it too easy for people just to farm exp and tomes but not willing enough to participate because they're too busy watching Netflix

I can see why you'd want the changes, but it's a rough solution idea.

1: Isn't too bad, don't need to be able to spam kicks but don't want to have too much time between either.
2: This will ruin any sort of defense. You need people to watch nodes no matter the map you're in and sometimes they don't see any action.
3: Will cause more toxicity, people will get pissed at one another even if all teams are trying because they wanna level quicker

Adding exp to stuff like this is always risky business, from what I can see more people try than don't, I think the best thing we can do is votekick more often, hell, 5-10 minutes would be sufficient as it allows you to kick at least one afk'er per match

If you regularly get kicked for AFK initiated by multiple people you should really be investigated too. Very exploitable by bullies, obviously, but it cannot be hard for the GMs to pull up your history and see your zero contributions over multiple games. Auto-kick after 3-4 minutes would be stupidly annoying though; the other teams can just run away from you and fight one another and your whole team will be demolished if they don't suicidally run in.

Winning doesn't really feel all that meaningful now because you get showered in rewards even if your entire team plays terribly and comes last. Aside from the musical flourish and personal satisfaction, once you have all of the achievements you want what's the purpose in it? Slightly more Wolf Marks (which don't have any expensive rewards) don't feel all that exciting; I'd be happy to get a bonus to the other rewards (exp/tomestones) for a win. Rewards for performance exist in PVE.

What about kicking people who stay in the spawn room for more than five minutes after the match has started?

I don't know if they can make something like that work, but it's an idea.

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Originally Posted by Areic

2: This will ruin any sort of defense. You need people to watch nodes no matter the map you're in and sometimes they don't see any action.

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I just wanted to correct #2. You don't need anyone to watch ice nodes any more than you need someone guarding a base. Keep your map open. When an ice node activates, when your base is taken, or even when an entire enemy team is heading your way, you can see it all in realtime on the map. You can't see enemy players not in combat, or a ninja hiding (not sure they can even still do so), but nearly everything you need to see or be aware of is able to see on the map.

The issue with this is you get throwers. people who run in, intentionally die constantly to end the match. they just need to nerf the EXP. keep pvp for pvp.

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Originally Posted by ThirdChild_ZKI

I just wanted to correct #2. You don't need anyone to watch ice nodes any more than you need someone guarding a base. Keep your map open. When an ice node activates, when your base is taken, or even when an entire enemy team is heading your way, you can see it all in realtime on the map. You can't see enemy players not in combat, or a ninja hiding (not sure they can even still do so), but nearly everything you need to see or be aware of is able to see on the map.

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By node I actually meant base, and in most pvp games it's wise to have at least one person guarding it. Not having any forewarning or even just one guy to fight off a ninja trying to take it can cost you a decent chunk of points for the 30 seconds or more you may potentially lose

Not to stomp your idea for the sake of doing so... but instead of trying to work around an issue... just fix the issue.

People are afk and lazy in PvP by the groups now (I've even joined in) ONLY for the exp. there's no other reason to bother with pvp unless you like it.

Remove the massive exp boost. PvP shouldn't be your golden egg to level up in pve anyway.

"Let's make all this content, new areas, fates, etc and have the players ignore it for PvP!" Is what they did.

This needs to be fixed

Across 2 or 3 matches last night, I spent a good amount of time taking down "base guards" and the maybe 2 or 3 people that might show up to help, then stealing their bases besides. . . in just a 3 man cell.

Base guards are a bigger liability than an insurance.

What sucks is that they're learning how to get by the AFK timer. The out of combat timer would be great since what they do is alt-tab back to the game and move their character around.

Just like in wow, if you afk you get kicked auto.

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Originally Posted by poffo

Just like in wow, if you afk you get kicked auto.

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There is a system in place to kick people who AFK, but people circumvent this by just moving their character an inch every 2 minutes.

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Originally Posted by RedHerb

2. Auto-Kick players who are out of combat for more than 3-4 minutes.

Let me know your opinions guys.

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Here's where I disagree. For Shatter, I often scout ahead and don't engage with other players until I have a 100% guarantee I have a crew at my back. So I'd be in danger of getting kicked while still contributing in my own way.

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Originally Posted by Mizukaru

The issue with this is you get throwers. people who run in, intentionally die constantly to end the match. they just need to nerf the EXP. keep pvp for pvp.

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They dont need to nerf xp. There's nothing wrong with xp being a viable way to level up for those who enjoy pvping. They just need to actually start banning people who afk/troll.

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Originally Posted by Ransu

They dont need to nerf xp. There's nothing wrong with xp being a viable way to level up for those who enjoy pvping. They just need to actually start banning people who afk/troll.

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Agree completely. I absolutely love playing Frontlines, but the XP for my jobs is amazing and I don't want to lose it. The difference is I try my butt off to win every match. It makes me livid when I see what I saw over the weekend. Today, someone was using a macro to run in circles around a tree.

Yesterday, I discovered this and just had to take a screen shot. Is there a way to report this?

http://i747.photobucket.com/albums/x...psgpjeiktc.png

Sorry Photobucket seems to be a joke anymore. I will need to find a new site to use.

Pic was of someone who had all zeros on every Frontlines category because they had AFK'd the entire match by hiding in a fairly hidden spot.

These are good ideas, however, the inactive time for players would need to be reduced to like a minute... In Wolves Den / Feast, a match can roughly take 2 minutes & in Shatter / etc, someone could AFK, come back in 3 minutes to pop a DoT then go back to AFK. They seriously need to start taking AFK-ers seriously because it's making real PVP-ers hate playing PVP nowadays.

A "not in combat" timer of 2 (or 1!) minutes would cripple Frontline the way it's played on JP servers, so no. I'm already frantic enough running around like a maniac trying to catch people in combat long enough to build lilies before each push. Reconnaissance to an empty base? Well you have to feed them and run in or face being kicked! A lot of the time, people would get kicked just coming back from base after respawning; it would be a total disaster for any ambitious pushing into enemy territory and kill the mode dead.

In Feast, sure. But please don't let botters destroy Frontline for entire server groups not affected by the problem that's being addressed.

They have to find an optimal solution and the most feasible at the moment is

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Originally Posted by RedHerb

3. Give an additional amount of xp to 1st place teams and a smaller amount of xp to 3rd place teams.
because if you don't do something to remove the afkers, people will still just afk pvp. The XP rate doesn't have to be amazing to have people afk-ing it. It just has to have people willing and able to AFK it.

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I am expelling people who are dedicated to being AFK since the beginning of the expansion and I am getting bored of this. The same thing happens to me with people who do not care to win, every day I read people who only come from experience and refuse to listen to the chat, people come with the intention of losing.

If it was possible, I'd like exp to scale based on K/D/A, Damage Dealt, Healing Done and actual stats that tell you how you did.
AFKers can get away with being 0/0/0 and no damage or healing because the exp from it is the same all the time. The more you participate, the more exp you should get. If you do nothing, you get next to nothing. If you actually play, you get a lot. Though there's some issues that may pop up with that, but it's better than having all these people with zero in every measured stat.

I posted this in another thread but I'll post it here too.

I don't mind players earning experience from PVP (i.e Shatter) to level.

However, I agree with suggestion of reducing XP gained per ranking (1st, 2nd, and 3rd); they shouldn't give the same amount. 2nd/3rd place should be substantially lower than first. This would hopefully encourage people to actually try harder and not just AKF or throw games.

It's stupid how many people in shatter just go full on retard, I'm talking like pants on head retarded, ignoring objectives/callouts because "you don't pay my sub, XP is the same no matter what rank". Or the guys that go AFK or deliberately throw games. :mad:

SE, either change the amount of XP gained for placement or remove it entirely.