So its pretty plain to see that warrior has been left behind in utility when compared to the other tanks with abilities like Passage of Arms for Paladin and Blackest Night for Dark Knights. My thoughts are that something in the way of putting the damage down back on storms path, or giving a vulnerability effect to upheaval could remedy this severe lacking point.
This is a thread for warrior utility suggestions, the damage concerns are being talked about all over the place anyway.
Lets talk about Warrior Utility
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06-20-2017, 01:48 PMCommanderNarwhalLets talk about Warrior Utility
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06-20-2017, 04:34 PMNoha85
Right now the only utility left in ours kit is unchain, that is look behind stance and rage, we cant use it anymore to pull since we cant use infuriate anymore outside fight. At lvl 70 we get IR that share recast whit unchain (bad thing like most have done to war) this basically make us dont want to use unchain at all on lvl 70 content.
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06-20-2017, 05:53 PMReynhartSo, basicaly, you won't use your "only utility" because it prevents you from doing more DPS ? For me, that reasoning is probably the main reason why your utility has been reduced in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Noha85
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06-20-2017, 06:08 PMBaci
Unchained is no utility. Its a dps cd. We just now have to choose between the two
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06-20-2017, 06:23 PMAegisKiddo
Well, as it stands we are now the "monk" of tank jobs. Even then our dps isn't that much higher then drk and the dps plateau set forth by pld, combined with its kit makes me think, the foreseeable future of war is grim
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06-20-2017, 08:04 PMNoha85
Unchain is not just dps,is 100% utility we bring to the party and is the only thing we got left,now locked not only behind stance and rage but 120sec shared whit our new skill to have higher dps,Pld and Drk new skill dont lock anything,you use them and you gain something,Pld holy spirit do damage and give you resource to use defense cd,Drk is the opposite you use defense skill to gain dps now.
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06-20-2017, 08:15 PMReynhartAlmost every weapon skill gives you ressource to use for either defensive or offensive skills.Quote:
Originally Posted by Noha85
No, you use the defensive skill to defend. Casting TBN just to gain the 50 blood is not worh it vs using one more Dark Arts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Noha85
Oh, and Unchained is only DPS. It's your DPS boost in Defiance...which is still excusive to WAR. -
06-20-2017, 08:16 PMNoha85
If think unchain is inly personal dps gain you just dont know what War was giving to the party, on 4 man content yeah i agree 8 man? Nope
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06-20-2017, 09:09 PMLaunched
"WAR utility"? More like "what utility?".
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06-20-2017, 09:22 PMReynhartWhat did Unchained bring as "utility", then ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Noha85
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06-20-2017, 09:24 PMBaci
The only thing you could see unchained as utility was the opener for more aggro, after that only dps gain in defiance.
But since we are in SB now unchained is a 100% dps cooldown -
06-20-2017, 10:47 PMeagledorf
Er, Unchained is not WAR's "utility"
Defiance is since it buffs Deployment Tactics' Adloquium and Clemency/Synastry's shared healing by 20%. It's pretty weaksauce, but that's definitely more utility-like than Unchained. -
06-20-2017, 11:14 PMReynhartSince Unchained does not increase enmity, the increased aggro is 100% tied to the DPS increase...so, Unchained is jus a DPS increase :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Baci
Actually, it could be nice if Unchained was not tied to the your tank stance and actually gave a huge enmity boost...for when you want to pull in Deliverance. That would be "utility". -
06-21-2017, 04:19 AMBaciMore dps more aggro :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Reynhart
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06-21-2017, 04:19 AMKerrathdo you not realize that a dps boost is an enmity boost? more dps = more enmity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reynhart
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06-21-2017, 05:44 AMCommanderNarwhal
After playing around with warrior at 70 I've found that the build up at the opener feels way too long since infuriate should be saved for when using Inner Release. To speed up going into inner release, and buff up warriors damage a bit, I think making inner release reset infuriate's cooldown would be a viable solution.
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06-21-2017, 06:01 AMReynhartYou could very well have enmity skills that do no damage...Quote:
Originally Posted by Kerrath
But, yes, I know that. I was just trying to understand why someone was so adamant about not considering Unchained for what it is : "A pure DPS boost" -
06-27-2017, 02:36 AMThaelon
Yea very unclear on how you feel unchained is a party/ raid utility. Need something like "Bestial Roar" you and a party members critical hit is increase for 10s 30s cool down. Just made that up I'm sure outs flawed in some way lol
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06-27-2017, 05:55 AMwhiskeybravo
I was expecting:
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Discuss
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06-27-2017, 06:05 AMvigioX-Sun
the only utility war has is slashing that also is applied by SAM/NIN, war got nothing on the table right now, an the dps we have need very specific opportunities to be apply an is not that big of a deal.
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06-27-2017, 07:19 AMDizzy_DerpYou shouldn't be building all the way at the beginning unless it's like lakshimi where u can on the adds before the boss drops. If the boss is already there, then it's a dps loss because your missing all the raid buffs raid buffs. Your opener should be something like HS>infuriate>maim>SE>Hs>maim>SP>berserk>internal release>FC>FC>FC>HS>thrill>Maim>upheaval>SP>FCQuote:
Originally Posted by CommanderNarwhal