Blood Price mp regen?

Hey, loving Stormblood so far, I'm enjoying DRK alot thankfully ;)

There's a little thing I noticed with Blood Price though, is that it generates an almost-useless amount of mp. I get around 91mp per hit with it on, it's extremely bad compared to the 370ish it did before, I can barely use Abyssal Drain because of it or I have to do my melee combo to get enough mp. And I can't find this change anywhere on the patch notes either- (or I'm just very blind) was it intended ? Or is it a bug ?

If this has been written down/announced somewhere feel free to correct me haha, I'm just a little confused atm

A couple of people have mentioned it on other posts, but no one really knows, and yes it makes BP almost useless. hoping it's a level scaling bug :/

It makes no sense for it to be anything but a glitch. It probably is something that'll get patched in a hotfix.. The sooner the better.. I recall they were quick to fix/remove the 'good' bugs with DRK in HW launch (double dip DA) but slow to fix the bad ones (something was screwy with Darkside drain), hopefully not this time around.

Basically this is the one thing that bugs me and it is not listed as a change in the job guide. Hopefully a bug.

This needs to be fixed ASAP. It's clearly bugged. BP is almost if not totally useless atm. Hopefully SE will tend to it fast. Sadly we can only hope for now : /

Im so glad I'm not the only one that noticed and not me overthinking it.

Maybe if we posted it under the bugs section theres a higher chance for the dev team to look into it?

it's main purpose is to give blood at 66+. especially if paired with Delirium, you get your blood back in no time.
Though it feels really off as mp refresh skill

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Originally Posted by Yop

A couple of people have mentioned it on other posts, but no one really knows, and yes it makes BP almost useless. hoping it's a level scaling bug :/

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Sadly I think it is intentional because of how Delirium extends it from 15 to 31s duration.

Our AoE in trash pulls is vastly nerfed due to our lack of mp regen now.

Well... Monkey, I saw you put it in the bugs forum, but it's in the "Working as Intended" section now ... that sucks really bad, hope they buff it up a bit then x(

I don't think it's very helpful to have the BP duration extended via Delirium because the regen so low per tick; it's impractical, you won't be able to use any Dark Arts in the timeframe when you need it (which is like immediately after pull, or at least, after the initial ~2 DA you're able to use when your mp is still full)

Ouch, that hurts that it is confirmed.

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Originally Posted by SummerScorcher

Well... Monkey, I saw you put it in the bugs forum, but it's in the "Working as Intended" section now ... that sucks really bad, hope they buff it up a bit then x(

I don't think it's very helpful to have the BP duration extended via Delirium because the regen so low per tick; it's impractical, you won't be able to use any Dark Arts in the timeframe when you need it (which is like immediately after pull, or at least, after the initial ~2 DA you're able to use when your mp is still full)

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Eh? i remember putting under In-Game Bugs... unless the mods moved it over there?
I hope that isnt the cause..

That means they moved it there, and its intended.

Ouch.

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Originally Posted by SummerScorcher

Well... Monkey, I saw you put it in the bugs forum, but it's in the "Working as Intended" section now ... that sucks really bad, hope they buff it up a bit then x(

I don't think it's very helpful to have the BP duration extended via Delirium because the regen so low per tick; it's impractical, you won't be able to use any Dark Arts in the timeframe when you need it (which is like immediately after pull, or at least, after the initial ~2 DA you're able to use when your mp is still full)

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Just realised my thread was moved to "Working as Intended" for a reason.. I thought I must have accidentally posted a thread there or something lol.

But I agree with you. Delirium extends BP now so it only make sense to nerf the MP regen. If only they could buff it juuuuust a little bit more would be cool. D:

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Originally Posted by Monkey-T-Vypers

Just realised my thread was moved to "Working as Intended" for a reason.. I thought I must have accidentally posted a thread there or something lol.

But I agree with you. Delirium extends BP now so it only make sense to nerf the MP regen. If only they could buff it juuuuust a little bit more would be cool. D:

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They already locked it behind Grit. Making it only regen 1/4 per hit of what it used to was unnecessary.

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Originally Posted by Falar

They already locked it behind Grit. Making it only regen 1/4 per hit of what it used to was unnecessary.

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Yeah.. regen only a quarter of the original MP I feel is too much of a reduction along with grit locked aswell.

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Originally Posted by Monkey-T-Vypers

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Wow

So much to say and can't even start lol

This just guarantees that I will stance dance.

Seeing as we don't pay as steep of a penalty, maybe intended?

I don't know, but even at 31s blood price sucks for MP. I will need those sweet Blood Weapon gains.

If it is too bad I will just become a Samurai main. I am almost 60 and that class is FUN. Why did they ruin DRK? I did a dungeon synced to 50 and it was more boring than 2.xx PLD.

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Originally Posted by Xenosan

Wow

So much to say and can't even start lol

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I'm not quite sure what you meant there :/

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Originally Posted by Falar

This just guarantees that I will stance dance.

Seeing as we don't pay as steep of a penalty, maybe intended?

I don't know, but even at 31s blood price sucks for MP. I will need those sweet Blood Weapon gains.

If it is too bad I will just become a Samurai main. I am almost 60 and that class is FUN. Why did they ruin DRK? I did a dungeon synced to 50 and it was more boring than 2.xx PLD.

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Lol thats exactly what I did. Get enough aggro and just drop grit and use blood weapon for MP cause BP isn't enough

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Originally Posted by Monkey-T-Vypers

I'm not quite sure what you meant there :/

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He means the blatant attempt from square to destroy everything that we DRKS find sacred.

I think something that SQEX messed up with this expansion was balancing class functionality between old and new content. It feels like they sacrificed class functionality in old content in order to balance their new job skills. It's not just DRK or tanks in general. Most classes, especially Tanks/Healers, but even some DPS, are terrible now when played at lower levels. In the case of DRK, they butchered its entire playstyle, and by the looks of it, the intention was to not just nerf it a bit, but to move certain skill purposes to feeding new job mechanics. Like with Blood Price being useful for the Blood Gauge. Well that's great and all... when we actually have a Blood Gauge to use it on! Without the Blood Gauge, it feels like we're playing a gimped class. As a healer main, I feel like I'm healing less on average (perhaps due to some rebalancing around the Tenacity stat, which tanks haven't maxed out on yet?). I also feel like I'm running out of MP way faster than before. Skill-wise, things aren't as bad as for Tanks, but our role skills are funky as well. I can only cast Protect by Swap-casting it with a macro. I have to pick and choose between Surecast, Rescue, and Eye for an Eye. But as I unlock my 61-70 skills, they fill in the inherent weaknesses I've been experiencing.

In any case, it's frustrating that SQEX seems to be giving in to the popular movement. I suppose they think that people will "mostly" play Stormblood content, and that any runs of older content will be unsynced with the exception of roulettes. Therefore, they feel like they can sacrifice the game's Lv1-60 job functionality. These changes are a recipe for dead content though. Some players actually like to enjoy their old content for what it was. And new players still need to get through it. In Heavensward, the experience was new players was already a little slow, with most classes lacking depth until 50+ and dungeons being very straightforward and easy. Now that experience will be compounded by making the 50-60 content also feel like you're playing an incomplete class.

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Originally Posted by Monkey-T-Vypers

Lol thats exactly what I did. Get enough aggro and just drop grit and use blood weapon for MP cause BP isn't enough

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My new approach to DRK is to stance dance. I start in Grit to build aggro, then regen MP with Blood Price + Syphon.After I've got full MP, I turn off Grit, turn on a defensive cooldown, and use Blood Weapon while spamming Dark Arts on every single attack I can enhance. Once I'm low on MP and Blood Weapon runs out, I switch back to Grit and regen more MP while Blood Weapon is on cooldown. Then I switch out of it again, etc. I can't say if it's a perfect approach or not, but it feels effective to me, even if it's much less fluent than before. Though once I unlock more 61-70 skills my approach may change.

Their nerfing of Unleash makes no sense to me either, really. I mean, they didn't nerf AD, so why bother? Unleash was essentially just AD but centered on oneself for pulls.

Overall, though, I'm very dissatisfied with the DRK changes so far, and the tank changes in general. Even if it becomes decently entertaining to play at Lv70, I'm paying to play all of FF14, not just Stormblood. I don't want to have to play a gimped class whenever I want to tank ShivaEX on minIL for fun. I pity the DPS mains... because these changes are going to cause a lot of tanks to stop tanking, which will only cause them to become even more of a rare find.

Yeah, I am probably going to switch to Samurai main.. The "new" Dark Knight is garbage.

I thought I was going crazy like did I dark arts too much? Cuz BP never gave me this much trouble to use. Now I know.

I have been using the new Delirium as a pure MP regain and not worrying as much about the BP extension, but yes it was quite depressing to see 88-100 mp per hit being restored. It was nerfed too much! Should be around 250-300 per hit to be at least useful.