SB SMN: Bio and Bio II?

Hey so in SB EA, I'm trying to add Bio to my hotbar. It is the green Bio icon as I drag it, but the second it goes to my hotbar it changes to Bio II. Is this a bug or are we no longer allowed to use it once we have Bio II? This doesn't make any sense to me so if someone has figured this out please explain.

Bio II is simply Bio upgraded. They've been combined.

It will change to your highest spell based on the level you're at. You can't have both Bios, sadly.

I think summoner is still great, explosive damage and painflare is on a really short cd for burst aoes now which is nice.

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Originally Posted by Culfinrandir

It will change to your highest spell based on the level you're at. You can't have both Bios, sadly.

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It does feel kinda weird, though, that they'd keep both spells in anyway. I'm interested in seeing how it handles level sync. I'm going to assume if you have Bio I on your bar, upgraded to II, when you sync down, it'll revert to I. But if you have Bio II on your bar and you sync down, it might just seem like it's unavailable. I've been checking to make sure I just have the first spell set on my bars to hopefully avoid that potential. Same with things like Thunder/III.

Might seem similarly confusing while leveling up, since I think it'll still place Bio II (or Thunder III) on your bar, with also the first skill upgrading, so you'll have a duplicate.

Well I didnt' have much time to test it out this morning, but did to an initial examination...

Its worse than that...

Ruin 3 is mega nerfed. It went from 2800-3000 damage outside of Trance (3000-3300 inside trance)....

down to 2000-2200 outside of Trance.

Tri-Disaster per tick used to be 1800 per tick... with a high ticks of 2200....

down to 1000-1100 per tick.

I thought with Maim and Mend with +40% pet damage might make this up... but it can't even do that.

Ifrit was hitting for about 880-900 prior.... still only doing 990 damage.

Garuda was hitting for 1100-1200 prior... still only doing 1300 damage.

So nothing balanced out.

Summoner got mega nerfed

EDIT: That's at level 60 with i270 gear.

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Originally Posted by Silverquick

EDIT: That's at level 60 with i270 gear.

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Wasn't the rebalance based on the level 70 experience?

They'd be far from the first MMO to throw out balance at the old level cap with an eye toward how things are at the new level cap.

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Originally Posted by Berethos

Wasn't the rebalance based on the level 70 experience?

They'd be far from the first MMO to throw out balance at the old level cap with an eye toward how things are at the new level cap.

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I checked Maim and Mend II, its only +30% now. Not the +40 percent I thought it would be too.

I honestly at this point don't even know if SMN will be able to perform properly through earlier level content.

That was only my initial testing.

I promised I would stick it out until launch to see if this really was the case...

I see now... it was the case... this is a major nerf...

I tried more myself. It seems doable... slow but doable. I'm only in the 255 quest gear tho. The biggest boon I've found is Drain. 1k heals every 2s. It's definitely needed for me as enemies, just the basic ones hit me hard and my pet keeps dying. I'll withhold anger until I get to 70, but it is really a confusing change.

Well I won't even be playing SMN at this point, barring major changes. I'll just move straight to BLM.

I might try some MSQ content with it, but anything outside of that probably won't be doable. And doing Dungeons with other players will likely be painful at best.

Those are some major DPS hits, and likely to put us on the bottom of the pile with regards to caster jobs.

Still I did at least wait until launch to see if it really was true before leaving the job behind.

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Originally Posted by Silverquick

Well I won't even be playing SMN at this point, barring major changes. I'll just move straight to BLM.

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Finally!! What a blessing <3

I can confirm that once you level sync, ability switches automatically from Bio II to Bio. No need to put both on hotbar.

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Originally Posted by Endeleon

I can confirm that once you level sync, ability switches automatically from Bio II to Bio. No need to put both on hotbar.

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Hmm would be interessting if this auto-downscale (in general) also works in macros or if you have to put both (or all) of them into it with kinda of "if-than" tag... : o

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Originally Posted by Silverquick

Those are some major DPS hits, and likely to put us on the bottom of the pile with regards to caster jobs.

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I'd repeat that you're basing this off level 60, and that the real place to see if things are balanced is level 70, but I'd wager you're too busy complaining to realize that.

yeah im really looking forward the worlds firsts experience in a serious raid setup but that will take a bit of time - everything else is just a "first impression" - it's way to early to judge anything yet ^^

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Originally Posted by Berethos

I'd repeat that you're basing this off level 60, and that the real place to see if things are balanced is level 70, but I'd wager you're too busy complaining to realize that.

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Well... I fail to see how this is going to change much.

At best... all of the higher level abilities only bring it up to the level of damage it was already doing at level 60 previously. And even then, Ruin 4 only has a 15% chance to proc... So you're still stuck at below level 60 damage for the most part.

So it would mean SMN is stuck at level 60 damage while all the other jobs are at level 70 damage.

The Bahamut pet COULD have made up for it but you only get it for 20 seconds every 3minutes... you'll basically be doing nerfed damage the rest of the time.

You are Blm now get outta here :3

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Originally Posted by Silverquick

Well... I fail to see how this is going to change much.

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Do you not remember the difference between level 40 and level 50? Or level 30 and level 40?

You don't have your entire kit for level 70, you don't have the gear available at that point, and you're not fighting the enemies nor doing dungeons/raids at level 70...

So judging how balanced the class will be (or won't be) at level 70 based on your experience at level 60 is either naive or willfully ignorant.

Far to earlier to judge the class at level 70 without any of the skill/ traits gained from 60-70. The Ruin Mastery trait alone may be a noticeable boost to overall damage.

Wait for it... wait for it... just wait for it :3

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Originally Posted by Berethos

Do you not remember the difference between level 40 and level 50? Or level 30 and level 40?

You don't have your entire kit for level 70, you don't have the gear available at that point, and you're not fighting the enemies nor doing dungeons/raids at level 70...So judging how balanced the class will be (or won't be) at level 70 based on your experience at level 60 is either naive or willfully ignorant.

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Sorry I missed this post...

Again I fail to see anything in the upper teir abilities... that shows me the DPS is going to change any... turns out Bio III and Miasma III are still only 40 potency per tick... in HW it was 110 per tick with Tri-Disaster at level 60.

I was already right about what was going to happen at launch... and the major nerf.... We're pretty much stuck doing level 60 damage at level 70.

When they fix this job after figuring out its not going to fly... and revert the changes back to HW and 3.0.... then rebuild it from there up to SB 4.0...

Then I'll be back...

Until then... nope... they already proved to me they've broken the class at this point... when they go back and unbreak it... we'll talk again...

Like I thought there we go "mimi mimi" - meanwhile everybody and their moms know what you think about 4.0 smn, it's getting boring... : /

I'm at level 50 and my subjective experience of only the beast tribe dailies is that summoner is perfectly fine at 50. Lvl 48ish mobs seemed to die even quicker than before - not having to wait 6+ seconds to get all dots off (and the weird travel time delay that Bio II had) before fester and the two dots being longer.

Overall it felt a great deal smoother than it had.

Well it appears boss mob soloing in FATEs in also impossible without Sustain. I gave it a shot and no dice.

You can do a normal mob, but anything higher than that, combined with the DPS hit we just took and its not happening.

This thing is only good for MSQ content at this point.