PvP looks awesome

I'm reading the new patch note with all the new pvp skill
Omg it actually looks really fun.

I'm especially interested by the BLM who has received the craziest change imo. Very well done.

I've barely touched PvP during 2.0 and 3.0, but I think I'll queue for a PvP match right after logging in. I'm really excited :D

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/jobguide/scholar/#pvp
Skill list for those who are curious

Glad you're excited. I hope a large amount of people feel the same way and really energise the pvp in this game. Most of the changes make absolute sense, and even the more controversial ones are probably going to be positives in practice.

I find it kinda funny how 30 sec sleep turn into 3 sec sleep in the end. Pvp have changed so much from wolves den times.

Let's try it first, shall we. Healers look much more buffed than dps and tanks and can't be interrupted anymore. If you'll not be able to kill anyone, it'll be far from fun.

well...
By looking at the potency, it will all come down to what regen healers will have.
As long as they'll have mana and they aren't bursted down by 4 player at once, yeah they shouldnt have too much trouble.
But I wonder for how long we'll be able to spam rank2 heals.
We'll be granted 10k mana, rank2 heal costing 1000mp, the blue bar will go down very quick


Now what will be our regen? Assuming we can effectively run oom (otherwise what's the point of mana cost?) and that rank2 heal has 4x the cost of rank1,

It will probably be 2% per 3sec as usual. so 200mp/3
if it's around 250mp / 3sec (would allow almost indefinite rank1 spam), then it would take roughly 30sec to make a healer run dry by forcing him to spam rank2.
I doubt we'll be granted more than 250mp/3sec.

I wouldn't worry too much. Even if your group won't be able to burst down someone, the healer will eventually run dry. DPS can't miss ressource as only some skill require TP/MP (the bursting one basically)


Interestingly, healer have very different strength and weakness

AST has no HoT but Synastry which can be up 100% of the time (nurfed to 25% for obvious reasons)
WHM is the only heal with a HoT, lilies proc and CDR% are buffed through the roof, also has the most instants heals.
SCH seems to be the most "on demand heal" and agressive healer with Broil new effects.

Only a few hours, can't wait

1000 potency Regen, 2500 potency Cure, 5000 potency Cure II.

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As for healing vs damage potency... healing typically has considerably higher potency and end numbers than damage in this game. I'd expect the baseline heal to have around 3k potency with the new potency system, cooldowns anywhere between 3k and 5k, Regen effects around 1000-1500 per tick. And it's scarcely far fetched to assume they'll have their cooldowns reduced a lot as well.

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I fucking called it >_>

On the bright side, it looks like healing CDs weren't reduced as much as damage CDs and the CDs aren't quite as numerous as I thought. We did get a massive hit to damage with crit being removed, though. Autoattacks got killed as well.

Gotta see how it pans out, but truth be told? I don't see anything dying until the healer goes OOM.

Did a few matches in Frontline and Feast and a lot better and more fun.

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Did a few matches in Frontline and Feast and a lot better and more fun.

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It was a lot faster, or seemed so anyway - lots of button mashing. GCD seems to be 1,5 seconds now (Or, was for MCH anyway), with heals seemingly having a 2,3 recast time - that helps a lot skewing the heal-DPS ratio more in DPS favor, though I haven't tried feast yet, just frontlines.

It didn't feel very strategical, or even tactical, mostly just fast and chaotic. But that might just be the first few days where everyone's a headless chicken.

Consider me preliminarily relieved.

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Interestingly, healer have very different strength and weakness

AST has no HoT but Synastry which can be up 100% of the time (nurfed to 25% for obvious reasons)
WHM is the only heal with a HoT, lilies proc and CDR% are buffed through the roof, also has the most instants heals.
SCH seems to be the most "on demand heal" and agressive healer with Broil new effects.

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AST is actually incredibly movile with Essential Dignity being on a 15s CD and Benefic making the next cast instant.
SCH is much more threatening on the offense with Broils TP+MP damage, and the Lustrates per minute are really good. Broil in particular is really intimidating to most people and it can really wear down on healers.
WHM is really well-rounded, having the only regen and AoE healing save for Adrenaline with Assize, and it also has the most mitigation with Divine and Protect. Plus, their offensive support with Stone III's Heavy is a great Assist tool, unlike AST's Malefic III.

I think they're all really fun, though. If the healer is skilled enough, you can survive for a LONG time as long as the party stays together, but the healing output is much lower than in the old PvP. I think the changes are pretty good in general.

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It was a lot faster, or seemed so anyway - lots of button mashing. GCD seems to be 1,5 seconds now (Or, was for MCH anyway), with heals seemingly having a 2,3 recast time - that helps a lot skewing the heal-DPS ratio more in DPS favor, though I haven't tried feast yet, just frontlines.

It didn't feel very strategical, or even tactical, mostly just fast and chaotic. But that might just be the first few days where everyone's a headless chicken.

Consider me preliminarily relieved.

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I will agree. A lot of chaos in Frontline and the Feast as we all get use to our jobs. Probably a good thing to just spam Frontline and Feast since the MSQ questline is a bit buggy and related areas are packed with people to lag people out.

The BLM changes feel so weird, I'm gonna have to get used to this.

M'y only regret is that WHM and AST don't have holy and gravity.
With a 30-45sec CD. They could have been fun spells.
Aoe stun for holy
Aoe slow+heavy for gravity.

I don't like the new changes. It feels like my toolset is so limited now. As in every battle just becomes like 2 outcomes. Before I had all these options of various CC or how to do the burst, how to chase, and how to escape. Now it's all just flattened into a few buttons. Sure I still can go ham and get a bunch of kills/damage, but it's not satisfying anymore.

I dislike the new changes. I don't mind it being easier but Jeez I don't even have a full hotbar of abilities I feel so gimped..

not as fun with a tank as it use to,

but could be growing pains

At worst, its a move in the right direction. Mostly played Samurai as a finisher medal hoarder and Astrologian. All feast training 8v8s. Ill have to feel out the other healers before I pickup an opinion. Tho PVP synastry is really handy for keeping the main focus target alive. Hit the tank/medal hoard with it and just heal almost anything else.

Edit: Yes, so far I like the new PVP better than the old one. Now if we can lose 72s and get 48s back ill be super happy.

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M'y only regret is that WHM and AST don't have holy and gravity.
With a 30-45sec CD. They could have been fun spells.
Aoe stun for holy
Aoe slow+heavy for gravity.

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Yeah I miss a few other things we used to have... :/
What I miss most is assize because of the damage. It's really hard to try and help DPS when you only have stone. I only use stone to heavy people, but doesn't really do much.

Tried frontlines once yesterday on SMN. It feels really weird... but also awesome how people run when they see bahamut coming toward them @@;

The most jarring things are how your not using any other summons, placement of the skills on the hotbar and bio uses a huge amount of MP >< I need to change which additional skills I take in. I highly recommend people go to Wolf's pier first to test things out on the training dummies and fix their cross bars.

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Tried frontlines once yesterday on SMN. It feels really weird... but also awesome how people run when they see bahamut coming toward them @@;

The most jarring things are how your not using any other summons, placement of the skills on the hotbar and bio uses a huge amount of MP >< I need to change which additional skills I take in. I highly recommend people go to Wolf's pier first to test things out on the training dummies and fix their cross bars.

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Which is an improvement imo. Managing the stupid pets in pvp was the worst, constantly having to put them on steady so they wouldn't disapear after chasing someone eternally. Then remembering to put them on sic which is a lot of stuff to be occupied with when about 2 people are on you and you're trying to also dps.

SMN is really strong in pvp. Between the 3 consecutive energy drains on a target followed by flare, and ahk morn than the ruin III spam with bahamuts added damage. SMN devours everything lol.

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I think they're all really fun, though. If the healer is skilled enough, you can survive for a LONG time as long as the party stays together, but the healing output is much lower than in the old PvP. I think the changes are pretty good in general.

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I heal with whm and sometimes with Ast. I'm actually healing the same as I did before storm blood, however not as much as when they nerfed whm in the last patch. On a good game I'd average around 1.5 mil hp restored. When they nerfed whm I averaged around 1 mil. And now I'm healing around 1m despite only having one regen and a semi aoe heal. I do miss the CCs though only having fluid aura now kinda sucks.

Right now I really love pvp, it s fast, fun and can easily accessible to all my alt! When I log in, my first thing to do is queue for FL! Really good job square Enix, love you <3

I have ton of fun, no need to grind 60+ level to join, queue are almost instant, and get xp and item. I can't ask you more!