Pls stop

Complaining about shake it off by mentioning that it'd be useful if berserk still had pacify. Pacify was the dumbest thing ever and it should never have existed.

Let alone exist only to make another skill useful.

Pacify is gone.

That's one of the good changes.

Keep discussion of shake it off separate pretty please...

Oh, and I wish raw intuition crit from flank and rear and holmgang self bind were gone too. These unfun mechanics need to go. Modify the abilities. Increase cooldown time. Whatever. These penalties need to go. The sooner the better.

And.... Onslaught no rage cost pls! It's like making monk shoulder tackle cost grease lightning! So weird an unneccessary...

But I liked running to the bathroom during the 5 seconds of pacification after Berserk! It needs to be added back! /s

It's a bad skill. In so many ways. It WOULD have had a place with the old berserk. But as it is? No. No place.

Shake it off would actually have a purpose with pacify...
I don't mind pacify being gone but why do we need that skill now? It feels like they added that skill before they decided to remove pacify from berserk. It's just useless now.
Sure you can argue that Warriors can remove debuffs now which might be a nice niche skill. No it's not. They will not add a mechanic that makes it even remotely needed in this game.
It should not take up a warrior skill but be put into the role tree instead.

They could've given us something useful and fun instead. I mean look at the paladin kit for example this is done right every bit of it!

Shake it off could be a lvl 25 MRD skill for all I care. It should not take up a high lvl Warrior skill, it comes one expansion too late.

The dispel is something that I always felt would have been appropriate on Unchained, anyway. (Thus requiring tank stance to access)

Make the CC immunity of Inner Release a shared feature of both Unchained and IR. Both can maybe dispel one of these CCs too. Then change Shake It Off so it's raid&personal sustain utility: it temporarily removes or reduces the in-combat penalty to native HP/MP/TP regen. That's what I'd like for WAR utility now that 2.1-3.x Eye & self-heals are being changed.

Hmm actually "Shake it off!" should be an AoE shout that removes the debuffs of everyone around you. That would be neat. :p
It would also make sense and fit the berserker type to have a shout so intimidating that the group gets their shit together after a wakeup call.

I'm so anxious for stormblood and patch notes. I really hope to see some improvements for warriors from what we saw in the media tour coverage.

if they get rid of beast gauge consumption on any new war skills, give them their bloodbath back and give storm path their debuff effect back it's gonna be at least good again

Losing bloodbath definitely sucks cuz it killed our self sustain in dps stance.

If they could increase storm path healing in dps or have eq heal plus restore tp in dps stance that would be nice.

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Originally Posted by Atreides

Shake it off would actually have a purpose with pacify...

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I actually would argue they gave it to the job after changing berserk.
it would, but it would also be absolutely broken on a tank job. especially considering shake it off has a 60 second CD as well. you would effectively have a unconditional 50% damage buff every 60 seconds.

I play WAR enough. My first few years on it, I had a Berserk macro and still wouldn't get cleansed. That third year, I removed the macro, and still wouldn't get cleansed, but because people say I didn't have a macro.

Fast forward to today, with a macro, I STILL can't get cleansed. That said, I'm used to the 5 seconds of down time.

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Originally Posted by saber_alter

I actually would argue they gave it to the job after changing berserk.
it would, but it would also be absolutely broken on a tank job. especially considering shake it off has a 60 second CD as well. you would effectively have a unconditional 50% damage buff every 60 seconds.

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Sure, but if they had given WAR SiO in Heavensward, they could have simply changed the cooldown to 120s or even 180s, so you can only benefit every other Berserk on your own.

For what it's worth though, at high level play, it was an unconditional 50% damage buff because of The Warden's Paean. You just had to harass your resident bard for it. ;)

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Originally Posted by Jim_Berry

I play WAR enough. My first few years on it, I had a Berserk macro and still wouldn't get cleansed. That third year, I removed the macro, and still wouldn't get cleansed, but because people say I didn't have a macro.

Fast forward to today, with a macro, I STILL can't get cleansed. That said, I'm used to the 5 seconds of down time.

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Yeah, cleansing pacify is hit or miss depending on the people you end up with in DF and PF.

Personally, I'm glad Berserk pacification is going away forever, along with WARs having to harass people for a cleanse.

Shake if Off is an insult. As it stands right now it's clear the Developers don't know a single thing about their own game and decided to lazily give Warriors a self-esuna because they ran out of ideas. It's not appreciated. It's not needed. Granted it was wanted when Warriors still had Pacify, but if Berserk's tooltip is the final iteration then it's been given to us one expansion too late.

Granted I'll hold of any REAL judgement until next week but if these tooltips stay in for 4.0 I'd be beyond pissed off and disappointed. Shake it Off belongs as a low level marauder skill. It's a decent ability with a niche use. I'd gladly use it. However It does not deserve a high level ability spot. We could've been given something useful and flashy. But instead it just added insult to injury for the current state of Warrior.

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Originally Posted by mcspamm

Sure, but if they had given WAR SiO in Heavensward, they could have simply changed the cooldown to 120s or even 180s, so you can only benefit every other Berserk on your own.

For what it's worth though, at high level play, it was an unconditional 50% damage buff because of The Warden's Paean. You just had to harass your resident bard for it. ;)

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or a healer. that's besides the point. Warrior had to rely on someone else to get that demerit mitigated or removed.


and lets face it, WAR's heavensward kit was perfect already. you'd lose out on one of 5 amazing actions for a self cleanse that was literally there for one buff or when you inevitably screw up.

I like how people assume it's trash without considering new content could mean lots more debuffs and status effects.

6YEARS GETTING PACIFY SINCE 1.0 6YRS!!
they nerf our berserk, remove pacify an give me a self asuna, why you doing that?.
Give berserk it's pacify back an attack
Increase, sheke it off to 120sec.
Is very stupid to get that skill, an berserk pacify remove, makes no sense, since when war cares about status besides pacify?

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Originally Posted by Naelle

I like how people assume it's trash without considering new content could mean lots more debuffs and status effects.

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Very true. Most players are failing to consider what Melee dps can purge Bind/Heavy on others with Crutch and that Casters can remove DoTs with Erase means.

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Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur

Very true. Most players are failing to consider what Melee dps can purge Bind/Heavy on others with Crutch and that Casters can remove DoTs with Erase means.

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This skill would be fine as low lvl skill. No one would complain if this skill would be a substitute for another skill they took from us.
The examples you just made also don't interest us in the slightest because for things like Bind/Heavy Inner Release got us covered.
As for DoTs while it would help as DPS to have something to shake your dots off as a Tank you hardly need that because you're first priority when it comes to dispell dots...

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Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur

Very true. Most players are failing to consider what Melee dps can purge Bind/Heavy on others with Crutch and that Casters can remove DoTs with Erase means.

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Right now, every caster, both ranged and all healers have access to an on demand bind, either directly or via cross class skills. What does that mean for the importance of binds in existing content exactly?

I think it's a fallacy to assume it's going to be useful just because it's there. Chances are, it's gonna become the mandatory gimmick in some raid and then be forgotten in the rest of the content.

I wouldn't underestimate how useful something like a self cleanse can be. You're going to be hitting that sucker practically on cooldown if you PvP. In PvE, yeah, it's going to be a niche use. I just remember how awesome it was being able to cleanse with my MT pally on WoW. Awesome enough they had to take it away. Different game, different skill, different debuffs. But not so different I'd be crying foul here.

I'm going to laugh if there as a mistake and that's the PVP version we saw.

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Originally Posted by Rhaja

I'm going to laugh if there as a mistake and that's the PVP version we saw.

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I wish that so hard. It would be a huuuge relief if Shake it off would somehow only be a PvP skill that slipped in our PvE skill list. :P

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Originally Posted by Atreides

I wish that so hard. It would be a huuuge relief if Shake it off would somehow only be a PvP skill that slipped in our PvE skill list. :P

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You mean like the media tour version of the WHM lily system?

Oops! ;)

But yeah, if SiO isn't available in PVP, I'll be annoyed.

We don't really know how useful it'll be as a skill until the content is actually played through. Awareness was regarded as a useless skill but quickly became one of the best when more enemies could crit you. And the fact that stuns are non-damaging and exclusive to tanks makes me believe we'll run into these kinds of mechanics more often since there's no excuse to not have these utilities anymore.