[dev1206] Traits Question

To Devs or anyone who may have a guess:
Will traits need to be equipped and used? Or will they be always on like now? They have recast times so I am assuming they have to be used?
If so. I think 15 actions is not enough for exclusive actions/traits.

I think the recast time is what that ability's recast time will be after you learn that trait.

IE: Chameleon has 180 sec recast time.

Swift Chameleon: Reduces Chameleon Recast time by 60 seconds. Recast time: 120 Seconds.

The trait description is just telling you what Chameleon's recast would be after you get that trait.
Edit: And I think the rest are typos :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Estellios

I think the recast time is what that ability's recast time will be after you learn that trait.

IE: Chameleon has 180 sec recast time.

Swift Chameleon: Reduces Chameleon Recast time by 60 seconds. Recast time: 120 Seconds.

The trait description is just telling you what Chameleon's recast would be after you get that trait.

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What the op is referring to is this:Increases attack magic potency by 10.
Recast Time: 5sec.

i did wonder as well. it doesn't add up to me 15 actions 10 cross class actions, oo i ran out of room on my 30 slot action bar for 11 traits aswell. but traits have a recast time so they must be cast, ehh ??? strange ???

Maybe we can only have one trait at a time active and have to use them to switch our active trait?

That would really not make them traits though. They would just be regular abilities then. I'm still thinking they are just typos.

Copy/paste typos.

I'm hopeing some are typos, trying to make a mock action bar and am confused on if I need to include traits on the bar or not.

Pretty sure traits are going to be passive and will auto-equip on the bar where Fleet of Foot, Intimidation, etc. currently go. The recast of 5s on stuff like "Attack +10" is rather confusing though.

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Originally Posted by Orophin

Pretty sure traits are going to be passive and will auto-equip on the bar where Fleet of Foot, Intimidation, etc. currently go. The recast of 5s on stuff like "Attack +10" is rather confusing though.

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But then there will be 31 total actions if traits are on the bar. Only a max of 30 can be added.

Traits are auto-equip upon leveling and do not need to be cast.

The recast time is part of the template and likely within the week, you will see these removed from the traits.

The Swift traits that affect cooldown timers are listing the new recast time of the action, which throws a monkey wrench into all this.

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Originally Posted by Ruri

But then there will be 31 total actions if traits are on the bar. Only a max of 30 can be added.

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Fleet of Foot and other traits were never on your action bar. They were passive and never required a button press to interact with them. There is a totally separate section for them. Keep in mind, the action count is 15 main class abilities, 10 cross-class abilities, 5 job abilities. (when they come out)

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Originally Posted by Fiosha_Maureiba

Traits are auto-equip upon leveling and do not need to be cast.

The recast time is part of the template and likely within the week, you will see these removed from the traits.

The Swift traits that affect cooldown timers are listing the new recast time of the action, which throws a monkey wrench into all this.

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But wont that put it at 31 max actions/traits to be equipped ona 30 action max bar?

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Originally Posted by Orophin

Fleet of Foot and other traits were never on your action bar. They were passive and never required a button press to interact with them. There is a totally separate section for them. Keep in mind, the action count is 15 main class abilities, 10 cross-class abilities, 5 job abilities. (when they come out)

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Thats why Im asking if you need to put it on your actions bar (hence the recast time) Or if it is a typo?

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Originally Posted by Ruri

But wont that put it at 31 max actions/traits to be equipped ona 30 action max bar?

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I'm sorry, I meant the auto-equip on traits will auto-equip these to our Trait slots. These traits will not appear on our Action Bar. The current interface only allows room for 10 Traits slots which may be adjusted (or replaced with a traits listing instead).

if the recast time is a typo/mistake then traits make sense (big oversight tho that one big page of typos)

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Originally Posted by Fiosha_Maureiba

I'm sorry, I meant the auto-equip on traits will auto-equip these to our Trait slots. These traits will not appear on our Action Bar. The current interface only allows room for 10 Traits slots which may be adjusted (or replaced with a traits listing instead).

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Ok so the recast time on traits are a typo then. Otherwise it would make no sense.

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Originally Posted by Ruri

But then there will be 31 total actions if traits are on the bar. Only a max of 30 can be added.

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Traits have always had a separate bar, makes no sense to change that now.

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Theory, but what the recast timers could refer to is when these traits "go active." As not all traits are active at all times, some require ability triggers.

Meaning, this trait activates due to WS1, Trait remains on cooldown for ~length of recast timer~.

Not likely, but possible.

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Originally Posted by Belial

Traits have always had a separate bar, makes no sense to change that now.

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Yep I agree. Hopefully I'm just reading the recast traits on the traits wrong then, or it was a typo /shrug

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Originally Posted by Ruri

Yep I agree. Hopefully I'm just reading the recast traits on the traits wrong then, or it was a typo /shrug

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Read my edit, it has a theory that's likely wrong but could fit with traits having recast timers.

≪Setting Actions and Traits≫
The following reforms have been made to the conditions for setting actions and traits:

• Upon learning an action for your current class, that action will automatically be set to the action bar and cannot be voluntarily removed. It is possible, however, to move the action to another slot.

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Originally Posted by Belial

Read my edit, it has a theory that's likely wrong but could fit with traits having recast timers.

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Hm yea thats possible too.

I think this is some internal information for them in terms of the 5s recasts and it somehow was missed in editing. Once you level up and learn the trait, or in between class changes, it may take 5s for it to become active after it auto-equips.

The 5 second recast time is also present in the original Japanese notes as well as Conjurer traits not being marked as exclusive.

I sort of read it as it is not always available right after dispensing a spell/or action it affects. Autorefresh for example will take 5 seconds to start up after switching jobs. Enhance raise will work for one raise spell then the subsequent spells will be unaffected with the enhanced trait until the trait's cooldown timer is up.

Would be nice to get some clarification.

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Originally Posted by Baxter

I sort of read it as it is not always available right after dispensing a spell/or action it affects. Autorefresh for example will take 5 seconds to start up after switching jobs. Enhance raise will work for one raise spell then the subsequent spells will be unaffected with the enhanced trait until the trait's cooldown timer is up.

Would be nice to get some clarification.

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Dev Pls help us!

This new style of traits is awful.. Yoshida really blew it with these overhauls..

They probably will not respond to this individual thread, but they will most likely post an updated / clarified patch notes based on the feedback we're giving them.

Some of the notes will need to be cross referenced with the developers as they're ambiguities in the original notes as well.

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Originally Posted by Fiosha_Maureiba

They probably will not respond to this individual thread, but they will most likely post an updated / clarified patch notes based on the feedback we're giving them.

Some of the notes will need to be cross referenced with the developers as they're ambiguities in the original notes as well.

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Yea, looks like the notes this time around were a little sloppy, maybe they're struggling to meet the 14th deadline.

christ, traits wont be on the bar. and there all passive, thats what traits are. just end this stupid thread lol.

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Originally Posted by Kyra

christ, traits wont be on the bar. and there all passive, thats what traits are. just end this stupid thread lol.

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Just questioning why there is a recast timer on traits. If you are sure of the answer please tell me otherwise calm down.

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Originally Posted by Kyra

christ, traits wont be on the bar. and there all passive, thats what traits are. just end this stupid thread lol.

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how can a trait to increase crit hit, be passive?

I think passive abilities that we don't need to trigger versus active abilities (actions).

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Originally Posted by Ruri

But wont that put it at 31 max actions/traits to be equipped ona 30 action max bar?

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there is a separate bar for traits outside the 30 slots we have for abilities.

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Originally Posted by grandm

how can a trait to increase crit hit, be passive?

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because lancer is going to be a crit based DD hence why we get traits that increase crit rating.

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Originally Posted by Belial

Yea, looks like the notes this time around were a little sloppy, maybe they're struggling to meet the 14th deadline.

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I thought I read a Yoshida post that mentioned they were hoping for a Friday release date. It seems like most of the concerns aren't in the localization, but the original Japanese text/format.

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Originally Posted by Krausus

there is a separate bar for traits outside the 30 slots we have for abilities.

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Where did you read / see that?

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Originally Posted by Ruri

Where did you read / see that?

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we already have the bar in game so unless they plan to remove that bar which it didnt state they where then i think it is a safe bet that it will still be there tomorrow.

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Originally Posted by Fiosha_Maureiba

I thought I read a Yoshida post that mentioned they were hoping for a Friday release date. It seems like most of the concerns aren't in the localization, but the original Japanese text/format.

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I may have missed that post if he did, I just remember they said they would like it released on the 14th, and then I remember the influx of Ooos and Ahhhs as SWTOR starts up on the 13th.

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Originally Posted by Krausus

because lancer is going to be a crit based DD hence why we get traits that increase crit rating.

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i know why a certain class has a certain trait. what i'm asking is how a trait to increase your damage output can be passive. passive is when your weapons is away, no?