Anima Weapon...should I bother?

Hey, folks, first post for me! I have the iLvl 230 Hyperconductive Majestas, and i am about 2/3 or so through the umbrite/crystal sand upgrade phase for the 240 level. Should I continue with this with Stormblood on the horizon?

If you want it for glamour purposes, then sure.

Well if you do complete it, you'll more than likely be getting a free pass on the first stage of the next relic, similar to how the 2.X finished relics allowed for a free pass on the first stage of the 3.X relic

I'd focus on your shire/ proto ultima gear. anima weapon is a waste of time at this point unless its for your main of main classes. even then you won't be even close to done by the time sb comes out

Just if you like the look of it for glam, otherwise at this point in time not worth it. Augmented Shire weapons are just fine

Depends what you want and what you have.

It is very likely you can use a full relic to get to 70, at the very least up to 67 or so. It also has the usefulness of being able skip the first step of the next one (likely) and if you are truly "2/3 or so through the umbrite/crystal sand upgrade phase for the 240 level." the rest of the steps is 2-4 days total if you grind it out. In 5 days I had a friend that had all the items saved up for 2 relics, and in these 5 days (after .. the maybe.. month or 2 of dailies) did lights , dfs, etc for 2 relics.

The only little issue I see is you do not have the benefit of having 2 weeks for those quests for clusters. even just doing the 3 leveling for this week................ if you get the umbrite stage done over the weekend, you can do this week and next week's weekly for clusters to be 36, so I def recommend getting it done over the weekend so you can do the weekly. (since you would only need 14 after doing the weekly twice)

Should you do anything endgame gear related in a vertical MMO?
Anything you ever work for will be replaced every next cycle till this game sputters and dies.

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Originally Posted by Transient_Shadow

I'd focus on your shire/ proto ultima gear. anima weapon is a waste of time at this point unless its for your main of main classes. even then you won't be even close to done by the time sb comes out

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Eh, it's more than possible to finish a complete anima from the very first stage with the time we have left before SB. And it will likely stay the best weapon until level 66-67, and will likely be used to skip the first stage of the SB relic. It's far from worthless.

HW used the ARR relic as a small shortcut in one of the steps in the HW relic, so it won't be too far fetched to think they'll do it again so I say go for it.

If you're going for glamour or achievement, then yes complete the anima.

If you're going for iLvl, then run PotD or Zurvan EX, for use of a better time.

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Originally Posted by DaikiKiyoshi

Eh, it's more than possible to finish a complete anima from the very first stage with the time we have left before SB. And it will likely stay the best weapon until level 66-67, and will likely be used to skip the first stage of the SB relic. It's far from worthless.

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will it? ilvl 270 drops from the level 63 dungeon...just saying (obviously we don't know about weapon drops specifically though.) I want a few of them for glamour but will wait until the inevitable nerf in 4.0 before bothering with it.

Finished Anima will likely allow you to skip the first stage of the next weapon as others have said. Time wise, a friend of mine was in a similar spot to you and managed to finish in about 2 weeks, so you've probably got enough time if you buckle down.

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Originally Posted by Ayerinn

will it? ilvl 270 drops from the level 63 dungeon...just saying (obviously we don't know about weapon drops specifically though.) I want a few of them for glamour but will wait until the inevitable nerf in 4.0 before bothering with it.

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While this is true, anima stats will likely be way better than any dungeon gear until 66-67. It was the same when HW dropped, iirc. Zeta weapon stats were more desirable for a decent chunk of the leveling process. They might do it differently this time around, it's possible. But I'm predicting that this trend will be the same in SB.

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Originally Posted by whiteblade89

While this is true, anima stats will likely be way better than any dungeon gear until 66-67. It was the same when HW dropped, iirc. Zeta weapon stats were more desirable for a decent chunk of the leveling process. They might do it differently this time around, it's possible. But I'm predicting that this trend will be the same in SB.

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sure - but all that work for a few hours of use while leveling though? I mean, if you have literally nothing else to spend your time on in the next few weeks - why not.

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Originally Posted by Ayerinn

sure - but all that work for a few hours of use while leveling though? I mean, if you have literally nothing else to spend your time on in the next few weeks - why not.

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Youre definitely not wrong. Don't misunderstand, I'm by no means saying OP should do it (unless he/she has needs to kill time). I have 2 finished animas, but that's because I had a lot of time to dedicate to them. With SB just weeks away, I'd say screw the anima and just get a Shire weapon lol

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Originally Posted by Ayerinn

will it? ilvl 270 drops from the level 63 dungeon...just saying (obviously we don't know about weapon drops specifically though.) I want a few of them for glamour but will wait until the inevitable nerf in 4.0 before bothering with it.

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ilvl isn't necessary everything, and if we look at Heavensward, we can probably predict a bit on how long the weapons can last.

I'll be using Dragoon for my example:

Relic
Longinus Zeta: i135

Whites
Titanium Folk: i139

Adamantrite Trident: i150

The Relic weapon greatly outclasses the white gear in weapon damage, and I believe the additional stats do not make up for the weapon damage difference (I don't remember the exact weights). Of course, a High Quality version may be different, but I don't have the numbers for those. In this case, the Relic Weapon could last someone all the way to 60 if they don't get a weapon from a dungeon, and despite the ilvl increase it would be a downgrade from the relic.

Dungeon Weapons
Grasitha: i136

Halonic Ostiary's Halberd: i142

The i136 dungeon weapon and the relic are more or less on par with one another; the weapon damage is the same and the stat differences seem rather negligible. This means the Relic Weapon is still essentially top dog at level 55. Now the i142 dungeon weapon is where the Relic stops becoming Top Dog; +1 Weapon damage, more strength, and I assume secondaries are in a similar position. The i147 requires level 57, meaning your relic weapon is lasting you until you reach 57, and this is assuming the dungeon weapon even drops for you to begin with.

The Relic Weapons found their match at level 55 and their superior at 57 in dungeon drops. This isn't to say that the Anima Weapon will definitely find their match at 65 and their superior at 67, it just says there is a bit of a precedence for the Anima Weapon to last until 67, or all the way to 70 if the dungeon weapons don't drop for them.

I too am almost to 240 on my Anima. I know I wont get to use it much but I said screw it. I plan to at least get it to 260 before SB comes out. I use the 270 Shire staff so I am not in dire need of the Anima, at this point it is just something to keep me busy until SB.

That question, you really should be asking yourself. Is it worth it to you? It is your time and dollar that goes into it, and no one else.

That said, some things you should consider before making your decision, and assuming it follows the Zodiac relic.

- It will still be the best weapon almost all the way to 70, and it won't be until level 70 that iLv really jumps. I used my Zodiac weapons until lv58, as this was the level that the magic damage stat finally beat out the relic's.
- It will very likely still be the best looking weapon you can have until the next relic. Though this is subject to personal taste.
- You can always go back and finish it should you want it for glamour
- You could find the story behind it fun and interesting
- Other options are available if wanting to jump into Stormblood

For me, I consider the relic/anima weapons about the same as any other sidequest. I don't do it for the weapon but for the story involved (both what is revealed and for my own sakes of saying my character did all that in my personal canon)

Don't forget that we probably won't be able to start the Stormblood Relic until 4.1 with the release of Eureka, the place where we are supposed to do the majority of Relic-related content.

With that in mind you'll have plenty of time to get a i275 Anima if you chip at it with dailies and weeklies.

Considering the only other grindy phase after the unbrite phase is light farming, which can also be done quickly if you jump into the right content for it--especially during bonus windows--it's entirely plausible for you to finish it in the 2 weeks before SB. The Singing Cluster step is ridiculously easy, as is the 270-275 step.

It will give you a decent weapon until level 66-67, and possibly provide a jump start to the SB relic by allowing you to skip the first phase of it, like how the Zeta weapons allowed you to skip crystal farming if you traded one in.

I'd say if you find it fun it's worth doing. It's been nerfed alot. I needed a quick ilvl jump and did the first step so i could get in to Sohr khai. My gear is mostly in the 255 to 220 range but my weapon and a couple accessories were holding me back. If your gear isn't a problem, then it comes down to what you would get out of it. the achievement, the glam, or if you like dungeon running. If i get my accessory problem sorted out and get through the wall and still have time before SB, then I'll probably do it for something to do.

Up to you. I know people who went back to work on ARR relics.

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Originally Posted by Yahallo

ilvl isn't necessary everything, and if we look at Heavensward, we can probably predict a bit on how long the weapons can last.

I'll be using Dragoon for my example:

RelicLonginus Zeta: i135

Whites
Titanium Folk: i139

Adamantrite Trident: i150

The Relic weapon greatly outclasses the white gear in weapon damage, and I believe the additional stats do not make up for the weapon damage difference (I don't remember the exact weights). Of course, a High Quality version may be different, but I don't have the numbers for those. In this case, the Relic Weapon could last someone all the way to 60 if they don't get a weapon from a dungeon, and despite the ilvl increase it would be a downgrade from the relic.

Dungeon Weapons
Grasitha: i136

Halonic Ostiary's Halberd: i142

The i136 dungeon weapon and the relic are more or less on par with one another; the weapon damage is the same and the stat differences seem rather negligible. This means the Relic Weapon is still essentially top dog at level 55. Now the i142 dungeon weapon is where the Relic stops becoming Top Dog; +1 Weapon damage, more strength, and I assume secondaries are in a similar position. The i147 requires level 57, meaning your relic weapon is lasting you until you reach 57, and this is assuming the dungeon weapon even drops for you to begin with.

The Relic Weapons found their match at level 55 and their superior at 57 in dungeon drops. This isn't to say that the Anima Weapon will definitely find their match at 65 and their superior at 67, it just says there is a bit of a precedence for the Anima Weapon to last until 67, or all the way to 70 if the dungeon weapons don't drop for them.

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Some misinformation here but I really do not blame you, I blame SE. They really should make NQs reflect their real level. The only issue with that you can meld NQs with primary stats to offset it. 2 things to keep in mind, you forgot NQs are below their ilevel in stats, compare a i250 weapon NQ to pvp weapon, the 235 ones, almost alike cept a few points off in stats. Dungeon gear =HQ, HQ IS THE REQUIREMENT IN THIS GAME! i doono why NQ even exists. It does not matter what color it is, just Ilevel and the HQ 56 weapon is 1D more, going by this logic you pretty much have a 275 relic be close to whatever awaits at 66 and be a bit under 67-69 weapons, and needs to be replaced at 70.

Also keep in mind that relic your linked has custom subs stats, not no sub stats.

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Originally Posted by Hamada

Some misinformation here but I really do not blame you, I blame SE. They really should make NQs reflect their real level. The only issue with that you can meld NQs with primary stats to offset it. 2 things to keep in mind, you forgot NQs are below their ilevel in stats, compare a i250 weapon NQ to pvp weapon, the 235 ones, almost alike cept a few points off in stats. Dungeon gear =HQ, HQ IS THE REQUIREMENT IN THIS GAME! i doono why NQ even exists. It does not matter what color it is, just Ilevel and the HQ 56 weapon is 1D more, going by this logic you pretty much have a 275 relic be close to whatever awaits at 66 and be a bit under 67-69 weapons, and needs to be replaced at 70.

Also keep in mind that relic your linked has custom subs stats, not no sub stats.

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The problem with HQ is that the game may not give you them. I took a look at the 3.0 Story quest and I only saw two times they gave weapons, 54 and 58. I am going to assume they were HQ (because honestly, it has been way too long) which means you will replace it at level 58 if your dungeon weapon doesn't drop (because let's face it, HQ crafted weapons are probably going to be overpriced on the market board), and as nice as materia is, they don't really match the weight of weapon damage (maybe a grade V in a primary stat).

Also I never said the relic had no sub stats. I don't think I said anything that should even imply that. I also never said color mattered, I said the actual stats mattered.

I've been working on my Anima for the past few days just because I want to finish it up before SB comes out. My reasons for it are mostly just that I want to clear up the quest and see the rest of the story to it, as well as have a weapon with my preferred stats for once, rather than how every other weapon always seems to have one thing that's either pointless or less effective. Ultimately, the decision of whether or not the grind is worth it though is up to you. Stat wise, it'll probably keep you until the 65-67 range as others have stated, and will likely be able to be traded in to skip the first step of the next relic, but at the same time, that first step is usually fairly easy and you can likely get decent weapons for your main class as you do class quests and side quests in SB, and that's not even considering dungeon drops......

If you wanna have that sense of achievement DO IT!

The problem with gear in this game in general is that the Relic/Anima weapon is designed around being a time/gil/crafting sink. That's the entire point of it. For the amount of time you spend trying to get the materials to do it, you could probably just wait until the next patch and the process gets nerfed. Because of ilevel sync, most "BiS" gear is of no benefit in a synced dungeon.

Like, I say this as just a way of discouraging farming tomes just to buy some parts of it, If you like the appearance of the weapon, or specifically playing the level 50 or 60 content with the matching level 50 or 60 relic/anima weapon to get a tiny advantage, then by all means. But in the grand scheme of things, the relic/anima weapons are just resource sinks.

Even in other games, similar gold sink/resource sinks exist. So the ability to actually get them is heavily depending on you getting them within the patch window of release, otherwise if you wait too long, the process gets nerfed and the resources to do it become scarce as less people produce the crafted materials.

Whatever class you main, is the only one that is worth doing this for. If you're not in love with the appearance of the weapon in it's final form then stop now.

If Yoshi-P/Square-Enix really cared about these quests, they would rethink the strategy so that it doesn't need to be nerfed after a certain point. Like simply having one weapon go through the process should be enough to be able to repeat the process on other jobs at discount, or "transform" one weapon for one job into one for another job if you've decided to change your main class.

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Originally Posted by Yahallo

The problem with HQ is that the game may not give you them. I took a look at the 3.0 Story quest and I only saw two times they gave weapons, 54 and 58. I am going to assume they were HQ (because honestly, it has been way too long) which means you will replace it at level 58 if your dungeon weapon doesn't drop (because let's face it, HQ crafted weapons are probably going to be overpriced on the market board), and as nice as materia is, they don't really match the weight of weapon damage (maybe a grade V in a primary stat).

Also I never said the relic had no sub stats. I don't think I said anything that should even imply that. I also never said color mattered, I said the actual stats mattered.

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Originally Posted by Yahallo

ilvl isn't necessary everything, and if we look at Heavensward, we can probably predict a bit on how long the weapons can last.

I'll be using Dragoon for my example:

Relic
Longinus Zeta: i135

Whites
Titanium Folk: i139

Adamantrite Trident: i150

The Relic weapon greatly outclasses the white gear in weapon damage, and I believe the additional stats do not make up for the weapon damage difference (I don't remember the exact weights).

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Now get what I said what I said? It does not, HQ IS STANDARD when it comes to this game, does not matter how it is priced. When you said "additional stats do not make up for the weapon damage difference " it sounded like you where implying relic had no sub stats because it did not make up difference, even though you can make sub stat optimal. Even if you did not mean this, I am trying to explain why it is confusing and why it was wrong to say relic was better then i139, implying relic have special heavier stats when they don't, its just NQs are gimp for their ilevel, and color border doesn't matter, just true ilevel.

NQ are gimp stats and not the true ilevel. That is why you can meld prime stat boosts in them. I commented on what you where implying, gave the wrong messages. How hard or how much a HQ cost does not change the fact HQ is the standard requirement and NQ is below the true ilevel stats.

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HQ= dungeon drops (true requirement) / NQ > gimp stats and lets you meld primes to make up for it
235 > 250 NQ, 9 D is a lot

its not too bad and the glamours nice, and it could help for the next relic step so why not. Just take your time with it :)

It's more of time killer and for us achievement type of people is a matter of pride. We also go for need in gear and get CS so it's a double win in a way. Relics aren't for everyone and if you really have to ask it just means they aren't really meant for you. No offense, they aren't for everyone, it's an exclusive type of membership :P

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Originally Posted by ManuelBravo

Relics aren't for everyone and if you really have to ask it just means they aren't really meant for you. No offense, they aren't for everyone, it's an exclusive type of membership :P

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NOW ya.. but in general how so? You can get them in about 1 month off dailies you do anyway to cap script etc? as an alt all I did was dailies (expert/pvp) and ended up with 2 and in fact last 3 weeks or so I haven't done any. (you can get sands off poetic dailies/ squads and the new craft/gather weekly)

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Originally Posted by Ama_Hamada

NOW ya.. but in general how so? You can get them in about 1 month off dailies you do anyway to cap script etc? as an alt all I did was dailies (expert/pvp) and ended up with 2 and in fact last 3 weeks or so I haven't done any.

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I take it it's on an alternate character?Besides thelv 2 in Ragnarok, being you only have one lvl 60 on your Balmung. I'm on my 5th, can check my profile for achievements, and the only real hard time is the grinding lights. I'm going for all achievements just killing time and while I'm at it master all jobs. Besides having control over stats it's always a plus in my book. Also Relics, can be completed in less than a month now being too many people complaining how hard it is and SE gave in to people who are too sensitive to grind. Above all having to grind a job builds up your experience in it.

I am the alt.... I do not have access to level 50 roulette, lol... filler msq if you need more sands.

I am 60 SCH i267, and i270 SCH.. what ya talking about only one level 60? and all my crafting and gathering?>.>

idk what "thelv 2 in Ragnarok" means.

This is all off point though, (doesn't really matter if you are on 5th) I said it can be everyone , just about a month to 2 months of dailies, no grinding but lights, so anyone can do it. much different then 2.0 relics where your statement is true.

editing cuz of cap

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Originally Posted by ManuelBravo

My mistake a sch and a sum in a single grind to get to 60, unless you have 2 characters with sch only?I meant lvl 60 in terms of DoW and DoM. Lvl 2 is the alternate character I found for you in Ragnarok server. As for everyone doubt it. Most people are too spoil, want it handed to them, and make up excuses. So which Character is your main if you don't mind me asking.? Also I work 2 jobs and go to school so for you to say it's done daily I doubt you actually know what a grind is. Unless you had relics in FFXI, Zodiac weps are ok for glamor and a good time killer as well. Can skip the cristay farming for Anima storyline as well or just use that as a way to get to 60 without investing into gear and such with old content. Alternative for frugal individuals or who don't craft.

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All off the point. I said Anyone can get HW relics, it is just about a month of dailies, I was able get 2 relics off dailies only, as an alt. I do not know what you are trying to get across to me. Me saying HW relics can have been goten by anyone since you can do them off dailies only, has nothing to do with FFXI relics. If you started say 3 months ago buying umbrite with lore, doing weekly and daily quests when needed ( 1 hr a day for dailies, increase to 3 hours for one day or 2 hours spread on meany days if weekly + dailies) you would have got it.

To have this hold true while doing that ^ for sands too at little cost without crafting or gathering, you do the amber levels, the squads and someone that has 1 60 crafting can easily casually get the crafting weekly done.
(repeating myself so just editing post)

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Originally Posted by Ama_Hamada

I am the alt.... I do not have access to level 50 roulette, lol... filler msq if you need more sands.

I am 60 SCH i267, and i270 SCH.. what ya talking about only one level 60? and all my crafting and gathering?>.>

idk what "thelv 2 in Ragnarok" means.

This is all off point though, (doesn't really matter if you are on 5th) I said it can be everyone , just about a month to 2 months of dailies, no grinding but lights, so anyone can do it. much different then 2.0 relics where your statement is true.

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My mistake a sch and a sum in a single grind to get to 60, unless you have 2 characters with sch only?I meant lvl 60 in terms of DoW and DoM. Lvl 2 is the alternate character I found for you in Ragnarok server. As for everyone doubt it. Most people are too spoil, want it handed to them, and make up excuses. So which Character is your main if you don't mind me asking.? Also I work 2 jobs and go to school so for you to say it's done daily I doubt you actually know what a grind is. Unless you had relics in FFXI, Zodiac weps are ok for glamor and a good time killer as well. Can skip the cristay farming for Anima storyline as well or just use that as a way to get to 60 without investing into gear and such with old content. Alternative for frugal individuals or who don't craft.

I am still going for it myself. It is something to accomplish. It is a goal and then there is a glamour. Plus there could be a skip step. I have even thought of going back and working on the original relic weapon. It is a goal to work towards.

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Originally Posted by Ama_Hamada

Now get what I said what I said? It does not, HQ IS STANDARD when it comes to this game, does not matter how it is priced. When you said "additional stats do not make up for the weapon damage difference " it sounded like you where implying relic had no sub stats because it did not make up difference, even though you can make sub stat optimal. Even if you did not mean this, I am trying to explain why it is confusing and why it was wrong to say relic was better then i139, implying relic have special heavier stats when they don't, its just NQs are gimp for their ilevel, and color border doesn't matter, just true ilevel.

NQ are gimp stats and not the true ilevel. That is why you can meld prime stat boosts in them. I commented on what you where implying, gave the wrong messages. How hard or how much a HQ cost does not change the fact HQ is the standard requirement and NQ is below the true ilevel stats.

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I think it would be obvious to most people that relic would have sub stats and that I was talking about how the i150 NQ White had higher Str and Vit and would likely have higher Crit and Det, and how those additional stats would not make up for the higher weapon damage on the Relic. Like I don't think people would go as far as to think relic didn't have the secondary stats. Furthermore, I already added a disclaimer on the HQ version in the form of, "Of course, a High Quality version may be different, but I don't have the numbers for those." This is a situation where longevity and efficiency is a factor, so price does matter in this discussion.

In this situation, price and the difficulty of obtaining during the leveling process does matter for the intent of whether or not the Anima weapon is worth obtaining. If upgrading to a HQ crafted weapon costs a large amount of money, they are likely not going to be a viable replacement. Sure if a player had ridiculous amounts of gil and could spend without making a dent in their wallet then I could consider HQ crafted a replacement, but not everyone has that much girl.

I am calling White Gear, White Gear, because I don't have another term for them. If I really was implying that the color mattered, would I say Relic Gear couldn't be replaced or something like that? As far as I understand, the FFXIV Rarity system goes Purple/Blue > Green > White, but I only grouped them in the manner in which they are obtained. Rather I focused on the actual stats in regards as to why they are better; it is easier to compare actual stats then to look at "true ilevel" when I don't have the stats on HQ Whites.

I feel like you are nitpicking on how I decided to organize the data.

I got behind on mine too, but I'm doing it to finish as I'm almost there. My time to play is limited so I finished my Relic late too and had to Fate Farm the first step of the Anima, something I could have skipped. So even though it may not be useful stat wise, I assume it will let me skip the first step of the next relic weapon and in short keep me on schedule more with more continues players.

It's worth completing up to the light step simply for the upgrade to i260, as that will carry you through the first half of 4.x content in the off chance you get unlucky with weapon drops from the dungeons. Past that though, I'd suggest waiting until they nerf the light step before you start that insane grind.

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Originally Posted by Yahallo

I think it would be obvious to most people that relic would have sub stats and that I was talking about how the i150 NQ White had higher Str and Vit and would likely have higher Crit and Det, and how those additional stats would not make up for the higher weapon damage on the Relic. Like I don't think people would go as far as to think relic didn't have the secondary stats. Furthermore, I already added a disclaimer on the HQ version in the form of, "Of course, a High Quality version may be different, but I don't have the numbers for those." This is a situation where longevity and efficiency is a factor, so price does matter in this discussion.

In this situation, price and the difficulty of obtaining during the leveling process does matter for the intent of whether or not the Anima weapon is worth obtaining. If upgrading to a HQ crafted weapon costs a large amount of money, they are likely not going to be a viable replacement. Sure if a player had ridiculous amounts of gil and could spend without making a dent in their wallet then I could consider HQ crafted a replacement, but not everyone has that much girl.

I am calling White Gear, White Gear, because I don't have another term for them. If I really was implying that the color mattered, would I say Relic Gear couldn't be replaced or something like that? As far as I understand, the FFXIV Rarity system goes Purple/Blue > Green > White, but I only grouped them in the manner in which they are obtained. Rather I focused on the actual stats in regards as to why they are better; it is easier to compare actual stats then to look at "true ilevel" when I don't have the stats on HQ Whites.

I feel like you are nitpicking on how I decided to organize the data.

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I am not nitpicking anything, I think you where making a more complex statements that is needed. higher level= better, the rarity color does not matter, why does it even exist? I do not know why NQs and color exists when apparently it can mislead people.

Nqs are never the real ilevel is what I was trying to explain to you and should not be used as the standard, HQ/drops are the standard, not NQs. The point of this is to show a lesser HQ/ drop can be better then NQs several levels above it, like 235 > 250 NQ, gil is not a factor in pointing this out. (kinda is, do pvp and not waste gil on a useless NQ) I think SE should address this in making NQ reflect more their item level so they stop using them in ilevel bypass attempts. (Or people simply not knowing HQ are the real standard and knowing what they had before is really better)

135 vs 147, it is not hard to see 135 is viable to use. You do not need any the more complex details you where trying show some reason.

You can't say 135>139 because NQs are not the standard, it is always 139 >135. NQs are lesser then the ilevel is shown on them. Think twice about "upgrading" to NQ because as I try explain a lesser level have more stats because NQs are fake. So I disagree with "nitpicking" I just do not want people mislead.

It would been very easy to be like, your 135 relic can compare because at 56 there is 139, difference is not big there, then 58 or whatever is 147. So you can very well get 50>60 off a fully upgraded relic like it is likely you can get to 70 off a 275 weapon.