POTD Floor 50 Boss

Warning this is more of a mini rant but I feel like it has to be asked.

Why are people still struggling with this boss after all this time? I don't mean to come across as leetist but it's really simple. Don't stand in telegraphs and face away from her when she uses cold feet...thats it. Every time I do it I see countless people get caught by the fear and then wander into the telegraphs. Even gone out of my way to explain mechanics before the fight but it still happens.

My simple answer to this is: The rest of the game (and the former potd-floors) is to easy. People are used to facerolling content and ignoring mechanics, so they dont know how to deal with them (and are also not willing to).

Partially we've created this problem ourselves - by asking for nerfs each time content is not completly baindead, faceroll easy and actuall requires you to - shock! - do something!
People struggle with mechanics -> mechanics get removed -> people dont learn how to handle mechanics -> struggled -> nerf -> no learning effect -> struggle... you get the idea...

I have seen a thread asking for this boss to be nerf because it is too hard

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Originally Posted by Vidu

My simple answer to this is: The rest of the game (and the former potd-floors) is to easy. People are used to facerolling content and ignoring mechanics, so they dont know how to deal with them (and are also not willing to).

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I have to agree. The boss itself is not hard at all, but I guess its just more brain power required than the rest of the palace itself. I confess to shutting my brain off when running the floors, however I turn it back on once we are on a notable boss floor. What I find ironic is that usually the floors 41-49 themselves are much harder than the boss since there are a lot more mimics and room patrols, hell even mob density increases; with a poor party comp (no healer) it can cause problems. I thought perhaps because I'm just too used to tanking and looking out for things to avoid when mechanics are involved that I'm being too hard on people, but I guess not?

Well... I admit I do at times faux up boss mechanics in palace as well, because by the time I reach a boss, my eyes are already half-shut, my heartbeat slow and I usually have started playing with one hand to support the head with the other.

Most of my wipes in there have been because ranged people were too slow to react to In Health, personally. The orange AoE indicator does tend to ring bells on people (I rarely see people not move at all), but they're slow. If you mentioned the cold feet mechanic to the group, people typically get hit once, then the first turn around.
Since you're on Lich, I'll also note that on EU servers, there seem to be a large amount of completely new players who might just have passed Copperbell. While leveling my alt, I ran into quite a few of them in PotD. With like half of Aether being on Balmung/Gilgamesh, I get that experience much less often on NA.

It can be tricky if you don't have a healer as she still hits hard, especially if you also lack a tank as those by then have the entirety of their kit and can keep themselves alive quite well.
I'd also blame a lot of it on what Zojha said - not only are there new players, but people will expect everyone to flawlessly know and abide by the mechanics and start getting salty when they see they're about to wipe. a minute or two of 'hey, everyone knows the mechs?' could save lives, but new timers won't often ask because they don't think it'd be that hard or are just scared to ask ("why didn't you watch a guide?!"), and the old timers won't offer because they expect everyone to have been born with an A12S clear to their name.

Maybe she's still hard because Palace First Timers will do stage 50 only one time and then leveling in 51-60 and come back only after the Padjal weapon is upgraded and they lack of aether for 51-60 :) .
I think that the majority of players who played Palace of the Dead, before the floors 51-100 were introduced, have lesser problems with Edda than players I mentioned above.
It's like every other boss fight. If you repeat it often (and you want to learn the fight) you'll get better at it.

You don't really get to practice on this boss like you do with other bosses. You wipe once, it's game over. That's extremely annoying. It becomes hard to learn her patterns and behavior. On top of that, she basically regenerates health for every mistake. Too many and she just instantly wipes your party too, not giving you a chance to actually learn how to fight against her.

I think it's a combination of not having to try on any of the floors up to 50, having a failure on the boss at 50 that is so punishing, and having mechanics that not only punish the individual but the team as a whole.

I would say this is a poor design decision more than anything else.

Like why Steps of Faith is so annoying. Because it has mechanics that you never really see anywhere else in the game and there is no lead-in to teach you about the mechanics. Just an inevitable failure if the mechanics aren't played properly.

Yeah, one could argue that this is a player problem, but I would say that it's sloppy design more than anything else. Boss fights leading up to this fight either had mechanics that could be ignored or mechanics that if someone didn't do them it only affected them. I am pretty amused at how often I see people not avoiding Fear Itself when fighting the hydra on floor 30.

I actually made a macro that explains the more important mechanics on floor 50 just so people don't get blindsided if they've never been through the fight before.

Imo PotD should only be available after level 50... after you beat tam tara hm... at that point you should have dealt with similar mechanics in previous battles (not to mention the story part of the dungeon makes no sense if you don't clear tam tara hm first

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Originally Posted by Blanchimont

You don't really get to practice on this boss like you do with other bosses. You wipe once, it's game over. That's extremely annoying. It becomes hard to learn her patterns and behavior. On top of that, she basically regenerates health for every mistake. Too many and she just instantly wipes your party too, not giving you a chance to actually learn how to fight against her.

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that boss has literally 0 to learn

aoe circle -> dont stay inside
cast with a huge eye -> look away

theres absolutely nothing new to this battle

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Originally Posted by ServerCollaps

that boss has literally 0 to learn

aoe circle -> dont stay inside
cast with a huge eye -> look away

theres absolutely nothing new to this battle

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You wouldn't know that if it was your first time facing her. The huge eye is also something that you don't get to see very often. Most mage and caster types will also usually keep the maximum distance for safety, which doesn't work here because you need to stay almost directly on top of her to avoid the damage. You want to stay close. It's rather unusual, even for high level bosses.

Lets face the fact, most people can't work together or just choose to be a pain.

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Originally Posted by Blanchimont

You wouldn't know that if it was your first time facing her. The huge eye is also something that you don't get to see very often.

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There are several monsters in PotD who use the giant "don't look" eye... none of these mechanics are new or difficult or tricky.... as for casters not dodging the big aoe SPRINT... again i say sealing PotD away behind having to complete tam tara hm is the way they should have done it (for both story consistency and so newbies don't get blindsided by things they've never seen before)

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Originally Posted by Blanchimont

You wouldn't know that if it was your first time facing her.

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You're saying people wouldn't know not to stand in an AOE the first time facing her?

wat

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Originally Posted by iVolke

You're saying people wouldn't know not to stand in an AOE the first time facing her?

wat

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Yes. Bosses AoEs usually cover a wide area around them. It is rare for a boss that hits everything but the tiny area on top of them (this is the case for the Palace of the Dead 50 boss). This is what leads to the instant wipe for a lot of new players because it is something that occurs with very few bosses. Because of this, I would say that this boss is even harder than the Palace of the Dead 100 boss because something like that will catch new players by surprise and forcing them to wipe at least once. And of course, Palace of the Dead doesn't give you a retry like the others. It just boots you out.

If players find it too hard and want it nerfed, oh they are soo not prepared for the level say 170 and 180 boss. lol

So, I finally started doing PotD and I gotta say this boss is frustrating. I have yet to clear it and makes me not wanna keep doing it since you get nothing if you fail. This boss is SO easy. She has what, three moves to look out for? (2 aoe and 1 eye?) yet people die constantly to very simple things. I'm not sure if the palace just brings out the bads or what but it's annoying.

The important thing about this boss that no one ever thought to tell me, that I had to find out on my own is... To evade the telegraphs you have to stand near the boss. It is often too late and too far to avoid the one you have to run away from her for if you are not in melee range. I knew how to avoid telegraphs and got the point when I was told the first time. But this nuance escaped me for a few tries.

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Originally Posted by Eclipsed

The important thing about this boss that no one ever thought to tell me, that I had to find out on my own is... To evade the telegraphs you have to stand near the boss. It is often too late and too far to avoid the one you have to run away from her for if you are not in melee range. I knew how to avoid telegraphs and got the point when I was told the first time. But this nuance escaped me for a few tries.

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Thats understandable but when the three people in the group are rushing through and doing the bare minimum to get the gates open, I assume they have done it a million times. I guess I should stop assuming that and tell people the mechanics before the fight, unless they rush, as usual, into it before I can.

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Originally Posted by Revanslave

Thats understandable but when the three people in the group are rushing through and doing the bare minimum to get the gates open, I assume they have done it a million times. I guess I should stop assuming that and tell people the mechanics before the fight, unless they rush, as usual, into it before I can.

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You can pretty much assume anyone that does floor 50 is a noob. Anyone who runs it for xp knows resetting to 51-60 is where its at. Its rare to see anyone that has passed 50, doing 50.

Simple, people are speedrunning and not opening chests to get their (or others) aetherpool gear up. I actually had one guy get upset at me for doing this and I just laughed at him.

I've started PotD since I'm leveling a third job, and the speed runners who have their gear pretty much ruin it for newbies who need to get stronger so when they get to the last floor even the trash hits hard.

Even if people fail mechanics, they wont take such hard hits if their aetherpool stats are high enough.

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Originally Posted by TamurilRains

Warning this is more of a mini rant but I feel like it has to be asked.

Why are people still struggling with this boss after all this time? I don't mean to come across as leetist but it's really simple. Don't stand in telegraphs and face away from her when she uses cold feet...thats it. Every time I do it I see countless people get caught by the fear and then wander into the telegraphs. Even gone out of my way to explain mechanics before the fight but it still happens.

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The people who can clear her are doing 51+, so you're playing with the worst of the worst.

Been doing a lot of random 1-50 runs the last 2 weeks since I wanted to bring all jobs to 30. In my experience there is always at least one guy (often even all 3 other guys) in the group who has no idea how this boss works, no matter how high their aethers are or how much they rush.
After wiping at her a few times due to other peoples cluelessness I've made a habit out of asking if everyone knows the boss once we enter floor 49, and I've written a macro with a short explanation.

Have not had a wipe on floor 50 ever since.

that isn't the 50 boss though

wait nvm im wrong thought u meant the 60 boss sorry.

Without a healer, you're on a strict DPS race to win (made worse if you don't have a Pomander of Lust).

Without a tank, you'd better pray that the person with the highest enmity has a good stock of healing potions.

Just because the gaze mechanic is in earlier floors, doesn't mean people understand how they work (just because you get hit by the Cobra's petrify, doesn't mean you understand why it happened).

She also has this annoying habit of using In Health and In Sickness back-to-back, so as soon as you reach one extreme, you have to run to the other.

I feel like she has a party-wide splash damage attack, but can't really confirm it.

Probably the worst thing to happen is for her to use her "get close" mechanic at the same time the bonus telegraphs show up, since it can leave you with nowhere to stand, because one of those telegraphs covered up the boss.

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Originally Posted by Ekimmak

Without a healer, you're on a strict DPS race to win (made worse if you don't have a Pomander of Lust).

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Originally Posted by Ekimmak

I feel like she has a party-wide splash damage attack, but can't really confirm it.

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She has one undodgeable room wide attack that deals very little damage (if you're not stuck at very low aether armor levels, or whatever its called in english) and does not activate a rune on the ground. It is also the only thing that can't be dodged, so it is a rather easy DPS race. :p

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Originally Posted by Ekimmak

Just because the gaze mechanic is in earlier floors, doesn't mean people understand how they work.

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That I can confirm, I had no idea what the eye was when I did her for the first time.
I was something like level 25 or so and I had never seen that mechanic outside of the palace, and the enemies on the lower floors that use "the eye" can also be dodged the normal way (you can either dodge or turn away)