Okay so we all have Gripes with some if not a great many of the changes, considerably the ones from out of left field. So I would like to ask/request a response if the Devs/Community Team could shed some light on what the thought process was/is. Now the game is made by the Devs but set by the player. We shouldn't whine for "everything", but if a majority of the player base disagrees with a change the devs have to rethink it. It worked with Bane, Enkindle, Stoneskin II (which is gone anyway) AST Sects, and the Ranged cast times. I am also curious to know if these outcries are mirrored on all the forums not just the English ones. Because if they are SE has some 'spainin to do, lol. So please While we are all still heated over these "changes" lets share any info we have from the other forums and hopefully we will get an official Dev response.
Devs/Community Reps please help us out here?
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06-01-2017, 11:58 AMEloahDevs/Community Reps please help us out here?
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06-01-2017, 12:11 PMSecretCrowds
There are indeed similar complaints regarding WHM on the JP forums.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...3%83%89/page16
Post 314 onwards.
Basically the same complaints as the EN community.
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How WHM in SB does not seem to be the "pure healer" SE wants.
Why RNG in healing sucks.
Why nerfing Divine Seal and giving it to the other healers is silly and goes against the WHM "Pure Healer" concept. (I especially agree with this)
Why RNG in healing is awful.
IF you want to raid in 4.X, you should keep your staff and get a book or globe.
Why lilies are RNG and therefore suck since healing and RNG should not mix.
How WMH lost a lot of abilities through the role abilities, more than the other healers.
How there is no synergy for WHM with the other classes.
RNG sucks and I don't use cure or cure II to proc the lilies anyway.
How scholars and astrologians have better (or as good) healing than WHM.
How SE better make changes to WHM from 4.0 to 4.5.
And of course the few jokes about attending funeral and replies about bringing WHM lilies to the funeral.
AND RNG DOES NOT FREAKING MIX WITH HEALING!! FOR GOODNESS SAKES SE!
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06-01-2017, 01:52 PMAnyan
Does anyone know what they're saying about smn on the JP forums?
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06-01-2017, 01:56 PMZumi
The game is still in development and they told the people at the media tour many times that stuff may change. People really should wait to play Stormblood when it is out before saying stuff needs to be changed since they said they are doing a lot of fine tuning.
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06-01-2017, 02:04 PMAtlas-04Well two weeks out till SB, I can see how some are concerned. Things can change but I don't see any larger overhauls to ease some of the complaints coming. White mage fear is pretty valid imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zumi
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06-01-2017, 02:17 PMVhailorFine-tuning is one thing; entirely re-thinking the overhaul of [insert job here] is something else again. WHM won't be fixed by a few potency tweaks, to take that job as an example; they need an entirely new ability or three (specifically ones that add Raid utility). New abilities mean new animations, balance testing, etc. It's not something SE is going to get done in two weeks when they've got a million other things to do before Stormblood releases.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zumi
So, as others have said - much of the fear on the forums is quite valid at this point. That's especially true given the lack of an official response (to tie this back to the OP's question). I know the information we have has the whole "stuff may change" caveat, but the WHM changes especially are sparking enough complaints that SE would almost surely be addressing them if they indeed already had fixes lined up. The only logical reason for their silence is that they don't have a Plan B, and are going to have to fix it over time (if at all). -
06-01-2017, 02:33 PMFeidam
Keep in mind that the info we just got is weeks old info too. That said whm is looking dire if they didn't make changes. Granted we still need to see how content is tuned, but dang astrologian's got buffed. Again.
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06-01-2017, 02:34 PMSkyriorExcept the problem with WHM is that their entire vision for what WHM should be is erroneous and outdated. Attempting to fix WHM without abandoning that shoddy conception of what a WHM should be is an exercise in futility.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zumi
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06-01-2017, 02:40 PMFeidamHonestly, though, if that is what you are waiting for to happen it would be better off to just switch classes. Like it or not they want to keep that theme for the white Mage. The trick is getting the bad ideas fixed with maybe a hint of utility. White mages won't see more than that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skyrior
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06-01-2017, 02:45 PMExiled_TonberryPotencies can change. Small effects can change.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zumi
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06-01-2017, 02:47 PMRaizeGraymalkin
Let's maybe wait til people actually get their hands on things and play around with them, before declaring the sky is falling.
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06-01-2017, 02:47 PMSkyriorExcept that there are people who already played with the new jobs on a dev build and were thoroughly unimpressed with WHM.Quote:
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06-01-2017, 02:53 PMFeidamNot thatthings don't look dire for the whm but info is weeks old. Things can and do change. Wouldn't expect an overhaul though only balance adjustments which could easily happen to astrologian too. Maybe bring it down out of the rafters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skyrior