Sword Oath Gauge

Does it feel weird to anyone else that there are no offensive uses for the Oath Gauge, even while in Sword Oath? I'm not saying it's good or bad, it just feels odd to me that this new gauge we have has very few uses and both are completely defensive.

it definitely feels tacked on but it'll get plenty of use. Sheltron as a MT, Intervention as a OT.

Should have gotten an ability to recover MP that uses Sword Oath gauge, or maybe a Fell Cleave sword skill.

Assuming that the gauge fills with SWO by auto attack and SHO by block, to me it seems that in SWO the gauge will be filling quicker than SHO.

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Originally Posted by Jonnycbad

Should have gotten an ability to recover MP that uses Sword Oath gauge.

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That is literally what Sheltron does. Uses that 50 gauge to recover your MP.

I suspect that Intervention will get a lot of use while OTing. Intervene to buff the MT for a tank buster, Intervene when someone gets targeted by a prey, Intervene on someone with Weakness/Brink of Death before raid-wide damage. OTs might be more free with Intervention than MTs who will be saving it for Sheltrons.

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Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur

I suspect that Intervention will get a lot of use while OTing. Intervene to buff the MT for a tank buster, Intervene when someone gets targeted by a prey, Intervene on someone with Weakness/Brink of Death before raid-wide damage. OTs might be more free with Intervention than MTs who will be saving it for Sheltrons.

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Also Cover looks like it could be used as support CD for MT so PLD really got some nice group utility, i just hope some CD's get shorter recasts like TW seeing it might not get any additional benefits.

the way meta in this game works. if they added any offensive tool to the oath gauge, it would become the default and anyone not using it would be consider scrub tier. since dps > all it would simply result in no one ever using the defensive abilities leaving the healers to handle it.

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Originally Posted by Edewen

the way meta in this game works. if they added any offensive tool to the oath gauge, it would become the default and anyone not using it would be consider scrub tier. since dps > all it would simply result in no one ever using the defensive abilities leaving the healers to handle it.

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Agree, like war now everyone praise inner beast as a godly defensive cd but in real situation almost everyone use stacks for fellcleaves

As OT, you could use Cover+double Sheltron back to back to regain some MP in order to weave in an extra Holy Spirit. Just a thought for an "offensive" use of the gauge :P

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Originally Posted by Edewen

the way meta in this game works. if they added any offensive tool to the oath gauge, it would become the default and anyone not using it would be consider scrub tier. since dps > all it would simply result in no one ever using the defensive abilities leaving the healers to handle it.

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I agree with you about this, but if the meta doesn't change, wouldn't an offensive use for the gauge be useful for keeping up with the other tanks that will still, likely, out damage PLD? Also, it doesn't have to be game breaking. A skill that uses Oath to restore TP could be helpful without being so necessary as to make the other skills a waste of oath.

Restore of tp will be useless with the new setup of adding casts for paladin. That will fix our tp issues over time easily. One way perhaps that would work....

In Shield oath we get to shelltron
In sword oath a offensive ability replaces shelltron.

As it seems we wont be stance dancing as much in SB from what it looks like, this could as least add some utility as an offtank when it happens.

If you use ANY Halone combo, swap stances, or want to use Clemency/Holy Spirit(outside of the 5 inside Req phase), you will have to generate extra MP through Sheltron(960 MP per use), which can be used at any time, even during your Req phase.

1 Sheltron will cover 1 Halone or stance swap

2 Sheltrons will cover 3 Halones and/or stance swaps, or a single Clemency/Holy Spirit

3 Sheltrons will cover 4 Halones and/or stance swaps, or 2 of those actions + 1 Clemency/Holy Spirit. This is actually interesting, as it's not possible to generate more than 2 Sheltrons per minute through Sword Oath, unless you have a weapon with a delay of less than 2, implying this will be common to drop into Shield for gauge build, pop Sheltrons as they build, then swap stances right as you pop the third for your Req phase.

Whether or not certain things are "in meta" shouldn't really be a part of the discussion. Not everything is built around raiding and not everyone wants to, or is even aware of, the "meta" things to do. I've seen far too many "Generate resource/Spend Resource" systems in MMOs to know that not having flexibility in that system will cause it to feel stale, to feel like you don't really have options.

To say that nobody would use the defensive options if an offensive one exists is just silly. There is still value to a guaranteed block on a big hit over adding some relatively minor extra damage. Think about a situation for a player who didn't manage their cooldowns properly or simply wants to play it safe. That flexibility, that choice, is important for players to feel like they are in full control of the resource that they spent time building up. There's no reason for it not to exist. It just seems like an oversight.

There is a "passive" usage for attack tho. Using SwO the gauge should fill quicker, assuming the gauge number filled with 1 autoattack is equal to 1 block, your autos are 100%, but block is not without any defensive cd. And autoattacks are based kn your attack speed, and to me bosses attack slower....