Hairstyle Equality

Lately it seems with most patches, nearly all of the hairstyles are for both genders. Yes the clothing for males and females could use a little more equality, but the hairstyles truly are coming a long way from just being male/female exclusives. I just want to say thank you to SE for not gender locking most of the recent hairstyles. Please keep going in that direction. What I hope next is for gender neutral hairstyle access in the future of the mogstation, but I know Yoshi P has limited control of that. Hopefully in the future that will be encouraged. :D

cool that you like it.

I dont like only having these many "neutral" options on glams and hairstyles.

I want feminine stuff, catering to female chars. Give me more long,feminine hair styles.
Give me more fancy feminine caster robes/dresses etc.

To hell with this "equality". It's limiting my options.

And many of my guy friends HATE how half of their options are too girly.

Honestly, I'm willing to bet that a big part of the community dislikes this kinda somewhat Unisex thing SE is pulling there.

The most ironic part? Youre thanking them for bringing equality when in reality,its SE trying to safe time by not having to double their work by designing stuff for each gender separately.

Masculinity has been contorted into basicness. What options can they honestly give these people? It seems like they hate creativity. As for the feminine, you're getting a pony tail with a very feminine quality tonight. Enjoy it.

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Originally Posted by Faliandra

And many of my guy friends HATE how half of their options are too girly.

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While they're not exactly "girly", the Cinque and Sice hairstyles are so bad on guys... honestly, the only guy that has pulled Cinque's is Cyr from the HW Hildibrand quests. The rest look good from what I've seen, on guys.

But yes, there is a clear lack of feminine styles, and the unisex hairstyles are to blame... but the community requested it...

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Originally Posted by ErryK

While they're not exactly "girly", the Cinque and Sice hairstyles are so bad on guys... honestly, the only guy that has pulled Cinque's is Cyr from the HW Hildibrand quests. The rest look good from what I've seen, on guys.

But yes, there is a clear lack of feminine styles, and the unisex hairstyles are to blame... but the community requested it...

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So bad on guys? What are you talking about. It looks good on everyone except Roes, and Highlander's. I think it's just you.

I mean, sure, tastes differ and all but there's not exactly a shortage of people who conform to traditional values where hairstyles are concerned. It'd be nice, then, to see more of them designed specifically with each gender in mind - since otherwise we end up getting quite a few that are available to both genders but ultimately only really work well on one particular gender. A great example is the MNK hairstyle set to be released in 4.0 and some of the overly feminine Type-0 hairstyles that look pretty awful on male characters in the eyes of the majority.

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Originally Posted by Faliandra

I want feminine stuff, catering to female chars. Give me more long,feminine hair styles.

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While I agree with your post, I'd prefer they first fix the clipping issues with the hairstyles we do have already. I believe they said longer hairstyles would be harder to implement because of this and other limitations that I can't remember right now. My poor husband always gets shafted on his char though, I wish there were better outfits for men too. I want more uniqueness!

Less bad anime haircuts, please

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Originally Posted by Grey-Satyr

Less bad anime haircuts, please

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THIS! So much.

Guys, I think we reached the end of creative hairstyle for men....

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

So bad on guys? What are you talking about. It looks good on everyone except Roes, and Highlander's. I think it's just you.

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If it was just me, my post wouldn't have garnered as many likes as it did.

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Originally Posted by Dyvid

Guys, I think we reached the end of creative hairstyle for men....

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I think we reached the end of creative hairstyle in general not just for men.... Not that there ever was a creative hairstyle to begin with lol.

I hope for more gender neutral hairstyles too.

But with that said, I agree we need more long styles and ponytails/topknots etc. Au Ra and Elezen men look great with long hair so splitting it into male and female when there's so much visual diversity between the races makes no sense. I want some more long styles that would suit an elegant (or Eastern) character too, for everyone. My character doesn't look good with all of the short hair we've been swimming in lately.

Personally, I like updos and would like a lot more of them since they avoid most clipping issues without being super short.

Still waiting for the super elegant, very long hime style. Like a certain new antagonist.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-ujw15UMAAlgSx.jpg

SE, gimme this. This and Yugiri's hairstyle, please.

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Originally Posted by Faliandra

cool that you like it.

I dont like only having these many "neutral" options on glams and hairstyles.

I want feminine stuff, catering to female chars. Give me more long,feminine hair styles.
Give me more fancy feminine caster robes/dresses etc.

To hell with this "equality". It's limiting my options.

And many of my guy friends HATE how half of their options are too girly.

Honestly, I'm willing to bet that a big part of the community dislikes this kinda somewhat Unisex SE is pulling there.

The most ironic part? Youre thanking them for bringing equality when in reality,its SE trying to safe time by not having to double their work by designing stuff for each gender separately.

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Yes, equality is limiting your options... When you are repeatedly beeing forced into a version of an armor you have no interest in...

Unisex or not, it's better than seeing one thing and being forced into another.

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Originally Posted by GrizzlyTank

Yes, equality is limiting your options... When you are repeatedly beeing forced into a version of an armor you have no interest in...

Unisex or not, it's better than seeing one thing and being forced into another...

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I said it is limiting MY options.

Its a statement for MYSELF and I do disagree with your statement that its better than being "forced" into a version you dont like.

Because for me that Unisex version is being forced into something I dont like.

Yes, it does limit MY options because a lot of options arent viable for me when I dont like the aesthetics of it. And when you look at the amount of likes my comment has gotten, it
seems like theres a bunch of people agreeing with me.

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Originally Posted by Sil3ntxR3qui3m

While I agree with your post, I'd prefer they first fix the clipping issues with the hairstyles we do have already. I believe they said longer hairstyles would be harder to implement because of this and other limitations that I can't remember right now. My poor husband always gets shafted on his char though, I wish there were better outfits for men too. I want more uniqueness!

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Only realistic option to fix hair problems is to use something similar to pure hair technology (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrhSVcZF-1I), that comes to a huge performance cost (meaning player with modest setup are out of luck) and it's only really viable for your character at the moment (DEVS are still forced to do non pure hair models).

The other one is to adapt each single hair to each piece of gear and that's is not cost effective for SE (it's the same reason about why they use "neutral" design for gear).

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Originally Posted by ErryK

If it was just me, my post wouldn't have garnered as many likes as it did.

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Because your "likes" totally represent the entire Final Fantasy XIV community. /s

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

Because your "likes" totally represent the entire Final Fantasy XIV community. /s

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And yours do?

A minority opinion is still legitimate whether you disagree with it or not.

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

Because your "likes" totally represent the entire Final Fantasy XIV community. /s

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You're invalidating my post because of what? Like what's your beef, dude? You said it was a "just you" thing, clearly it isn't if people are agreeing with me.

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Originally Posted by Faliandra

I want feminine stuff, catering to female chars.

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About half the options we got recently DID cater to female chars. They were made specifically for female chars and were ported over from another game. And if they were made specifically for females in that game, hell yes I can assure you their style would also be used in this game when catering to female chars because they were made for females to begin with.

I've said it in another thread and I'll gladly say it again: We did not get any options meant to be neutral yet. We got options made for females and options made for males all made available for everyone. Full stop.

Anyone who's still going on about the neutral style is a drooling idiot who doesn't know the facts. We don't even have a neutral style yet, we're going 50:50 with styles catering to males and styles made for females. All they do now is to take what they made for one gender and adjust it for the other, which is only the adjustment part in the creation process of model creation, texture creation, tuning of shaders and maps, adjustment and animation. Big whoop.

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Originally Posted by Driavna

Only realistic option to fix hair problems is to use something similar to pure hair technology (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrhSVcZF-1I), that comes to a huge performance cost (meaning player with modest setup are out of luck) and it's only really viable for your character at the moment (DEVS are still forced to do non pure hair models).

The other one is to adapt each single hair to each piece of gear and that's is not cost effective for SE (it's the same reason about why they use "neutral" design for gear).

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Or they could try and do what Harada did for Tekken 5: Dark Resurrection. They built a system just for one character's hair: Lili. Back on the PS3. It's still the hands down best hair I have ever seen in a video game. On. A. PS-freaking-3. Needless to say, it's gotten better on PS4.
Lili on PS3 and PSP running on PS2 era graphics.
Lili on PS4

IJS. Namco did it for PS3. I'm not saying it wouldn't be costly nor am I saying it would be easy for SE to implement it. (Although a small part of me snickers at SE's "cutting edge pure hair technology" when they are technically 10 years late to the party.)

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Originally Posted by Zojha

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yes and no.

they do look like they were designed on a female or male...but the ACTUAL design is still a rather neutral design.

Theres nothing OVERLY feminine and sexy and theres nothing overly masculine.

Thats why casters usually get these loosely cut unisex robes... theres no tight-fitting,nice caster dresses catering to females with some sex appeal.

Thats why theres no bare-chest armors for guys other than some male-only lvl 1 glams.


Theyre overall...SOMEWHAT neutral because they cant cater it completely to one gender only when its meant to be used by both genders.

Hence why I said:

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Originally Posted by Faliandra

I dont like only having these many "neutral" options on glams and hairstyles.

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^ note the quotation marks.

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Originally Posted by Faliandra

Honestly, I'm willing to bet that a big part of the community dislikes this [I]kinda somewhat[/I] Unisex thing SE is pulling there.

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Baseline: its not completely neutral, but its not completely gender-specific like you claim it is, either. Its gear that either has a more feminine or more masculine touch to it,
its not completely catered to one gender. Or else our gear would look quite different as there would be a lot more options.

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Originally Posted by Faliandra

they do look like they were designed on a female or male...but the ACTUAL design is still a rather neutral design.

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Yeah, Cinques hairstyle is so neutral with those frilly locks (that's about as girly feminine as you can get!). And Queens as well. Those are overly feminine and that didn't stop them from making them available to men just in case (though they did make adjustments to the locks). Same goes for that short side-shaved cut we'll get in SB, which is overly masculine for sure.

No, making things available to both genders does not stop them from making overly feminine or overly masculine things. It'll just look odd on the other gender and that's okay. You don't have to wear it.

They aren't pulling some kinda unisex thing, they simply aren't catering enough to what you want. And it's okay to ask them to cater some more to you and ask for some hip-long hairstyles, sideshaves, latex catsuits or whatever the heck your heart desires, but gods damn, leave sex and gender out of it. It's really starting to get on my nerves.

This is silly. not every hair style that comes out will be for you. Just be happy the devs are even having an event.

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Originally Posted by Zojha

Yeah, Cinques hairstyle is so neutral with those frilly locks (that's about as girly feminine as you can get!). And Queens as well. Those are overly feminine and that didn't stop them from making them available to men just in case (though they did make adjustments to the locks). Same goes for that short side-shaved cut we'll get in SB, which is overly masculine for sure.

No, making things available to both genders does not stop them from making overly feminine or overly masculine things. It'll just look odd on the other gender and that's okay. You don't have to wear it.

They aren't pulling some kinda unisex thing, they simply aren't catering enough to what you want. And it's okay to ask them to cater some more to you and ask for some hip-long hairstyles, sideshaves, latex catsuits or whatever the heck your heart desires, but gods damn, leave sex and gender out of it. It's really starting to get on my nerves.

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I cant follow you on your hairstyle examples, im not familiar with all these FF games and the characters' names.

As for the rest: We can agree to disagree. Because I certainly dont agree with you.

And the actual silly part is to NOT consider gender when it comes to hair styles and glams. I hate this unisex sh*t.
Genders arent made equally..and that GREATLY shows in things like clothing and style. Period.
Dont care if you find it annoying or not, i find this whole over-the-top equality thing annoying.

Its ok if some girls wanna be tomboyish,but they have plenty of options for that already.

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Originally Posted by JunseiKei

Or they could try and do what Harada did for Tekken 5: Dark Resurrection. They built a system just for one character's hair: Lili. Back on the PS3. It's still the hands down best hair I have ever seen in a video game. On. A. PS-freaking-3. Needless to say, it's gotten better on PS4.
Lili on PS3 and PSP running on PS2 era graphics.
Lili on PS4

IJS. Namco did it for PS3. I'm not saying it wouldn't be costly nor am I saying it would be easy for SE to implement it. (Although a small part of me snickers at SE's "cutting edge pure hair technology" when they are technically 10 years late to the party.)

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PS3 video uses the same system than FFXIV to "fake" physics. It works because her hair is designed to interact with her outfits (SE do the same for important NPC with exclusive looks), the moment you put another one will clip like a champ.

Anyway, my point is: SE is not willing to invest the money necessary to release long hairs without clipping, but current engine can do it.

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Originally Posted by Faliandra

I cant follow you on your hairstyle examples, im not familiar with all these FF games and the characters' names.

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...You really don't know the hairstyle with the cute curls in the front and the ponytail in the back? I mean, I had no idea the hairstyle was from another FF game until I read the forum, but that hairstyle is very girly! I actually didn't know it was available for both genders. That's pretty cool. And I think the Queen hairstyle is the one from PotD with the cute little hairclip in the bangs.

I actually think we have lots of girly and cute options. I'm just sad some of the hair clips with certain pieces of gear, but I'll take the clipping if it means I can use the cute hairstyle with other pieces of gear that won't clip with it. :)

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Originally Posted by Faliandra

cool that you like it.

I dont like only having these many "neutral" options on glams and hairstyles.

I want feminine stuff, catering to female chars. Give me more long,feminine hair styles.
Give me more fancy feminine caster robes/dresses etc.

To hell with this "equality". It's limiting my options.

And many of my guy friends HATE how half of their options are too girly.

Honestly, I'm willing to bet that a big part of the community dislikes this kinda somewhat Unisex thing SE is pulling there.

The most ironic part? Youre thanking them for bringing equality when in reality,its SE trying to safe time by not having to double their work by designing stuff for each gender separately.

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I agree completely. Been thinking this way for quite awhile.

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Originally Posted by Grey-Satyr

Less bad anime haircuts, please

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Not until we get this one.
http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/...Z_Movie_04.JPG

Or this one,
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...03b9650ed3.jpg

I know Male Au'ra get something similar to SSJ Goku but all races cannot atm :(.