Disable vote dismiss in deep dungeon content

Since players can't help but abuse the feature, it's up to the devs to lay down the law.

How is the feature abused in that content? Especially compared to any other content?

Please expand on the abuse, not sure what you mean.

If you feel that the feature has been abused, just report them. It is considered a harassment, and I believe they take this seriously.

No?

I've had to dismiss someone for being a malicious turd in there before. Maybe you haven't dealt with any genuine harassment before but it does happen and the people who are being kind to their fellow players shouldn't be the ones who have to take the punishment if someone else is making an effort to be hurtful.

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Originally Posted by Suirieko

If you feel that the feature has been abused, just report them. It is considered a harassment, and I believe they take this seriously.

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A report that does nothing, because a certain incompetent GM had to go and make any reason a valid reason for kicking as far as reporting goes.

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Originally Posted by Texa

No?

I've had to dismiss someone for being a malicious turd in there before. Maybe you haven't dealt with any genuine harassment before but it does happen and the people who are being kind to their fellow players shouldn't be the ones who have to take the punishment if someone else is making an effort to be hurtful.

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I see the toxicity all the time when I go in there, it's part of why I stopped doing the content. Due to what the content is, it attracts all the worst kinds of players, and this results in the few good players getting crapped on. If the vote dismissal function were disabled, at least the worst variety of this could be avoided (getting kicked right at the end, completely denying all rewards and completely wasting the player's time). You can simply ignore idiots in chat, but you can't do anything about getting forcibly removed and losing all your progress because of a flawed system that is easily abused by toxic players.

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Originally Posted by kattzkitti

I see the toxicity all the time when I go in there, it's part of why I stopped doing the content. Due to what the content is, it attracts all the worst kinds of players, and this results in the few good players getting crapped on. If the vote dismissal function were disabled, at least the worst variety of this could be avoided (getting kicked right at the end, completely denying all rewards and completely wasting the player's time). You can simply ignore idiots in chat, but you can't do anything about getting forcibly removed and losing all your progress because of a flawed system that is easily abused by toxic players.

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We are on the same data center and I have run PoTD literally hundreds upon hundreds of times and have never seen this happen. I am not saying it *never* does, but I find it impossible to believe it is happening as frequently as you claim.

I seen my enough shared of players that do nothing but wait at the TP, so no, thank you very much. And if you mind it that much, I know I always said the same, go with a premade or solo it.

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Originally Posted by Aramina

We are on the same data center and I have run PoTD literally hundreds upon hundreds of times and have never seen this happen. I am not saying it *never* does, but I find it impossible to believe it is happening as frequently as you claim.

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You're either extremely lucky, or haven't run it recently. This is a trend that has gotten more and more common over the past couple weeks. It ties into the whole "speedrun or screw off" mentality that the community has become plagued with.

Considering I had a run with a SCH that did literally nothing.... it's better to just kick the person. Getting the person to go to the exit was a big enough pain, never called a fairy and would just idle in the spawn room the entire time.

The problem are the black sheeps within the community. Adding more rules and also enforcing them, might add a higher work load on the staff, as well as it takes out all the fun in the game for players that know how to behave.

Not saying we shouldn't have more rules implemented, but it could backfire, making it more of a bad experience then it would help after all.

While it's frustrating to end up with these kind of groups, I think that you just need to toughen up a bit, in the hopes that the community gets better (not all or the majority but still), or have to sadly run most of these floors solo if you're looking for chests, if that's the case.

I know it's an MMO but sometimes it's just less stressful to just play the game by yourself then with others. At least at the end you get things done the way you want them done, or always the option to just run it with friends. I know that's not a great solution, but I think it's a better one then adding more rules to the game, that if people would use common sense at times,or remember how to act in general, wouldn't even be necessary because it's the player not the system or the layout of the content that leads to that kind of drama all the time.

Sadly most of the times when a trend starts, whatever that trend might be, it's ignored and seen as cute and funny, till the day it's getting out of hand. That leads in a lot of these forum posts, again created by the community itself, that could have been avoided if people would have acted on it right from the start. Lots of people are to patient or tolerant, while others coming from other games, and are not used to the pace on this game, always ending up comparing it with other games, trying to make it work here as well. Not how it goes.

I'd have had instances never get past the first floor if they disabled vote dismiss. Why do people enter then instantly perma-afk without a word?

How is the feature being abused? We're on the same data center, and I've run PotD since launch and never seen a single Vote Dismiss. If it was a case of 3 people wanting to speed-run, and 1 person wants to hit every chest and every room (or visa-versa), majority rules. And kicking for different playstyles has already been determined to be a valid reason for a kick.

While I've had my fair share of people that just wait at the Cairn while the rest of us gather chests, I don't kick then. However, if they started acting unnecessarily "toxic", then I would like the option. Had someone today yell because two sprouts wanted aetherpool points on 31-40, so they wanted to get the silver chests, and I helped them do so. Because I usually just go with whatever the majority want to do, max aetherpool or not. It doesn't matter to me. So, I guess I'm the "tie-breaker" in PotD. That's fine if you want to stand at the Cairn. But the majority of the group is gathering silver coffers and exploring, so don't give them a hard time for just wanting to get points to progress. Especially if it's their first time in PotD. I remember going in for the first time and I explored everything. It was interesting and exciting, because it was so different. Even now, after progressing past floor 100, I find myself looking around at the rooms and wanting to explore, even though time (and mobs) don't allow for that.

While this applies to everyone, if you are absolutely hellbent on running PotD a certain way (I'm guessing you want to explore, get majority of chests, get hoards, etc., and not speed-run), and feel that PUG-ing PotD will stress you out, then make a PF or a premade of like-minded players. Would also make it easier to progress past Floor 101 as well, since a premade is required. I see PFs on my server for 51-60 speed runs just for silver coffers frequently.

OP has yet to describe the abuse.

I think deep dungeon is the place that needs kicking the most. look at the people complaining about diadam because there is no kick there and people jsut afk at the start of it. I wish the CD was less then 4 hours but whatever. I just ask someone else to vote the offlines when those happen.

Time to define "abuse," I think.

About the only time I use vote kick in PotD is to remove people who intend to let the other members do everything. I tend to run this place with my brother essentially daily since it's faster and a bigger payout over time than roulettes, and we've noticed that blatant AFK players are becoming much, much more common. I'm not talking about someone who AFK'd for a floor but helped the rest of the way or had to step away for a couple minutes. I mean, big deal, life happens. I'm talking the "does nothing, runs to exit when it opens and sits there, repeats on all floors" person. Sometimes they even die in the entrance/exit. If they've done that for three floors, we warn them, and if they continue, we vote dismiss. Not sure if they're bots or not but regardless, they're gone.

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Originally Posted by Natalia

I'd have had instances never get past the first floor if they disabled vote dismiss. Why do people enter then instantly perma-afk without a word?

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I dismissed one guy because he pulled all the groups from the rooms to us and did no damage at all. Had one ignorant person in group who had no clue there was one person who was never doing damage ><, why do people insist on pulling leeches through content?!

No. Then nothing would stop people from trolling or just afking their way through it. I've been at the receiving end of some unjust kicks in there (i wanted a silver chest, while 2/3 of the others had theirs maxxed out), but removing the ability to kick is not the answer

Yes, I totally don't want to be able to vote kick someone who was going on and on about wanting to bed their own mother, and then began to use every single pomander we had as a form of passive aggression when they were simply asked to 'please tone it down'.

Palace is one of those places that draws every kind of player. And I wish I were joking about this >>

So one random can pull ENTIRE mobs to us because he wants EVERY single chest and everyone else wants to speed run, and not get booted for trying to kill everyone? No thanks I'll pass but good luck with your endeavor!

I can understand that its bad if you are kicked at the end of the floors or while running them for no reason but your solution would only mean that maybe you now wont be kicked but you wont be able to kick afk players or toxic players too. And if some people will see that there is no punishment there anymore they will use that go afk even faster since they dont have to fear punishment. So IMO this would just exchange one bad thing with the other and even might make it worse.