Hey all. so I'm close to getting my gear maxed out and I was wondering what is the best materia to infuse my gear with?
What should I infuse my blm with?
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05-26-2017, 10:16 PMTransient_ShadowWhat should I infuse my blm with?
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05-26-2017, 10:25 PMChameleonMS
With Stormblood only a month away, save the materia. This game is strict vertical progression of gear. Your i270 gear will be useless by the time you reach lvl65 at the latest.
Now, if you have not purchased and are not going to purchase SB, then I suggest tinkering with http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/. Crit > Spellspeed > Det is (or at least was) the recommended order of stats boosts. This is after you have hit the Accuracy Cap for 3.4. -
05-26-2017, 10:32 PMLelila38
If you have accuracy cap, meld spell speed, then crit, avoid det
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05-27-2017, 12:23 AMSilverquick
Well we do use the same gear... and I'm wondering how I'll play it too.
I dont' think I can cover both SMN and BLM needs at the same time, but Summoner is definitely my main.
Summoner and Black Mage share the same gear and all my Materia is based on Summoner choices not BLM.
I went with mostly Crit (which we share a desire for as SMN and BLM)... but... because the Summoner has Ruin 3 and it costs about 1000 MP to use it outside of Dreadwyrm. As a SMN you stack Piety because the damage Ruin 3 does is so good that you WANT to use it outside Dreadwyrm and your DPS numbers will definitely show it.
So I packed a lot of Piety Materia on as well... so as to where most SMNs will have 9000 MP I've actually got a full 10,000 MP which is another full Ruin 3 over and above any other Summoner, and I never run out of MP to cast Ruin 3 with. (Come close in the Lava Scorp fight though in Sohm Al Expert).
My Crit is at 1050, but Spell speed is only 677 unless I swap for the Shire Hat, which drops my Crit to about 990 and raises Spell Speed to 720.
I am thinking this gear will probably be ok for BLM too, as it will probably affect the number of Fire IVs in the Enochian Fire Cycle. -
05-27-2017, 02:29 AMMaero
Melds for summoner differ slightly over blm. Blm like Lelila has said Spell Speed>Crit
Crit there is just too much rng involved and is % of extra dmg possibly happening, spell speed is guaranteed damage.
Myself i have close to 1100 spell speed and 900 something crit
Hope that helps :) -
05-27-2017, 03:13 AMSilverquickI admit I have to consider that, the outlook for SMN is very different.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maero
We have 4-5 DoTs stacked on a target so a single BANE'd DoT under a Shadowflare is 4-5 chances to crit per tick on one target... and on like 10 targets has a good 40+ chances to Crit per tick, as to where a single Fire 4 has only 1 chance to crit... so my Crit gear may not get the same mileage as a BLM. Plus a lot of our stuff is AoE and hitting multiple targets so lot more chances to crit.
I may have to swap for the Shire Hat while I'm on BLM to increase the Spell Speed a bit more. -
05-29-2017, 09:19 AMMaero
Well in a month or so it will all change again, stat wise, lol
I have to wonder if determination will make a return to be of higher value once more -
05-29-2017, 12:44 PMzcrash970
You melded piety on a caster!?
I think my mind just exploded -
05-29-2017, 02:27 PMSilverquickAbsolutely...Quote:
Originally Posted by zcrash970
Its why I can do 5 Fire IV's instead of 4 Fire IVs as a BLM, and have 10.5k MP where other SMNs only have 9.5k, ie a full Ruin 3 more than they do. -
05-29-2017, 07:17 PMNeelaI got two builds for my smn the raid one with 1270 crit 590 det 746 ss and a casual time stasis build with 830 crit 615 det 1250 ss. even with 1250 ss I never felt the need of extra piety one more fire 4 or ruin 3 isnt worth the loss in crit/ss for more mp. although I like exotic builds please don't spread that piety is the stat to go for caster (smn)... it definitely isnt and will never be a primary of the casters secondaries : oQuote:
Originally Posted by Silverquick
im kinda lost in trying to get your mindset of your smn stat build... you melt piety for "an extra ruin lll" out of trance but you don't have enough spell speed for the common "extra ruin lll" while being in trance... way more effective would be to raise your spellspeed at least to 745+ to get the 5th trance ruin lll - decreasing your piety... the right usage of aether flow and energy drain should be enough for okay-ish mp management.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silverquick
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05-29-2017, 09:09 PMMaero
Yes some players do meld piety for extra Fires as blm, it is the norm. lol
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05-29-2017, 09:21 PMLelila38
Personally I don't see the use of Pie in lv60 rotation, I'd rather take the extra SS or Crit over Pie.
In the end, it's up to you how you wanna meld your gear though. -
05-29-2017, 10:48 PMSilverquick....Says the person who was *shocked* people used Ruin 3 outsided of Trance in the first place...Quote:
Originally Posted by Neela
.....who apparently didn't realize you actually CAN use it out of Trace and be doing constant 200 potency single target damage... instead of 80 potency single target damage. No wonder YOU don't think you need Piety gear.
News flash... people moved on from the original guides once they realized you can get enough MP to do constant Ruin 3 spam outside of DWT.
I can't even believe you get any DPS at all just using Ruin 2 or Ruin1.... without using Ruin 3 outside of trance. I outdamage the crap out of any SMN who uses that method.
Neela you haven't had any credibility with me since damn near the day I got because NONE of the things you do have turned out to do much DPS. Or they get wrecked when you actually go out and use them for real in an actual combat situation.
So of all people here... you are the LAST person I would ever take any advice from.
You get Hard locked into whatever someone else "said" to do and never bother to question it. So you get stuck there.
I will take my build any day of the week over yours.
PS: I should probably let everyone know I have about +110 Piety from Anima Weapon and Melds, its how I actually got to 10K+ MP. Its how I maintain such high Crit using other melds....and still have decent DET and SS. -
05-29-2017, 11:39 PMCynfael
This thread has careened way off topic.
Infuse your BLM with red wine and let it marinate until 4.0. As ChameleonMS notes, there is little point to fusing materia to gear that will obsolete in a few weeks, and it's anyone's guess how the stat weights will shake out. -
05-30-2017, 12:01 AMSilverquickThere is a lot of truth to that...Quote:
Originally Posted by Cynfael
Right now, because of the stat changes in Stormblood... everything we say here could be obsolete in 16 days. -
05-30-2017, 12:25 AMNeelasorry but... lol? I play SMN since ARR and I use Ruin lll out of Trance since HW, not like others way later with the Ruin lll buff. I also got the first crit/ss Anima way before the stat-weight update which brought ss to casters mind. I think im way, way more in touch with this cls than you think you are. and no, I don't know why you take every single post from me personal... but honestly piety for smns is a waste... even a more bigger waste on a smn Anima...Quote:
Originally Posted by Silverquick
#newsflashQuote:
Originally Posted by Silverquick
ruin lll out of trance is a common thing since months - every smn should do that, nothing new - and believe me... you won't outdamage any other common smn build with more than 740+ss // there is absolut no way where piety would be more effective for smns than crit/ss. Beat a common 3.2k raid-dps or a 26k deathflare (hell yay deathflare - NOT Teraflare) with your piety build... good luck with that...
take whatever you want o.o just be aware that your build is highly ineffective compared to others... I have no probs with fun-builds like everybody should know meanwhile. but your comments, formulars, math and recommendations for smns... are often outdated or false advertising... yet again im not here to bully or anything but it just hurts reading so much "wisdom".Quote:
Originally Posted by Silverquick
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05-30-2017, 01:17 AMSilverquickOhhh that's must be why I'm outdamaging the other Summoners around me...Quote:
Originally Posted by Neela
I totally didn't listen to you...
Guess what Neela... reality and your wishful thinking dream world... didn't meet up. -
05-30-2017, 01:21 AMNeela
talking about dreamworlds is really suiting you - be stubborn and childish if you want idc but you won't improve your knowledge if you stick to your dreamworld ^^'
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05-30-2017, 01:51 AMSilverquickYeah.... that was me that told you that "months" ago...Quote:
Originally Posted by Neela
And you were shocked. You and about half the other older Summoners here about crapped your pants over it.
Oh but NOW its "the thing" isn't it? -
05-30-2017, 02:10 AMSeriousxSarcasm
All I can recommend is do research outside of the forums. Most people here don't know as much as they try to make it seem lol.
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05-30-2017, 02:14 AMMaero
How did this post turn into summoner talk? lol
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05-30-2017, 03:36 AMMairissaIt is VERY easy to show just how much damage you actually loose.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silverquick
Let's take this build, which is very close to BiS http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/10N4F
We have 1238 crit, 700 ss (enough for one more Ruin3 in Trance), 228 Piety
And let's meld 110 Piety into it. Since crit is better than ss, I will first replace ss. I got something like that: http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/10N4O
We got 1238 crit, 590 ss (we LOOSE one extra Ruin 3 in trance), 337 Piety.
1 Piety=8 mana. We got 109*11=1199 extra mana at strat. 1 extra Ruin3 out of trance.
Mana regenerates at the rate of 2% each server tick. It means 109 Piety lets us regenerate 1199*0.02*20=480 mana per minute. So we get 1 extra Ruin3 each 2 minutes. BUT we loose 1 Ruin3 every minute because we don't have enough ss to cast one more Ruin3 in trance.
So if we take a 10 minutes fight we loose 10-5+1=4 Ruins3 (we loose 10 Ruins out of trance and get 5 Ruins due to MP regen and 1 Ruin3 in the beginning).
And I didn't even count in loss of potency of our DoTs due to lower SS. -
05-30-2017, 03:36 AMSilverquickYeah my apologies for that,Quote:
Originally Posted by Maero
I had come here to ask the stat differences needed for BLM vs SMN so I could adapt for it... but Neela stalked me over here again to pick a fight.
Once again my apologies, she does that a lot... -
05-30-2017, 03:40 AMSilverquickOOoo Ahhh...Quote:
Originally Posted by Mairissa
....you gained a whopping 300 damage... At max in any boss mob fight that is not a raid you can do about 3 Deathflares maybe 4 with good spell speed.... that's a whopping 900 damage... maybe 1200....
You just outdamaged the crap out of me didn't you? Lol
And I actually threw in an extra Ruin 3 (probably a lot more than 1)... for about 3000 damage.
Congratulations... -
05-30-2017, 03:47 AMLelila38
Honestly guys, I was reading this for a while and til now I tried not to get lured into responding but it has gone on for long enough.
I don't care what your problems with each other are, but you're being far from helpful to the OP, who 1st asked about Blm and 2nd couldn't benefit any less from your petty argument. So I ask politely, please take your personal feud somewhere else and let people who are actually trying to answer the OP's questions do the posting in here. Thank you. -
05-30-2017, 03:49 AMMairissaDethflare doesn't depend on SS, it depends on time and time only. 3-4 Deathflares is a 3 mins fight. In this fight, you will get 1 extra Ruin3 in the beginning and 1 more Ruin due to regen, maybe 1 more if the fight is on your side and it lasts 4 mins. So, 2-3 Ruins3.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silverquick
I will get 3-4 Ruins3 and more potent DoTs. Sorry, I can't argue with math. -
05-30-2017, 04:17 AMSilverquickNo... SS counts recast timer, which is the basis for the Deathflare rotation and Aetherflow recast of 1 minute.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mairissa
I can do about 3 Deathflares in any given normal boss battle... only 2 with a good sidecar DPS who puts out really good damage. And that is all dependent upon Aetherflow stacks and the recast on it.
Usually you save it when the boss mob is low because you have to have it ready for the next large trash pack or you have no AoEs.
You guys got caught up in the minutiae and didn't look at the overall picture. Its why you ended up losing and putting out less DPS in reality while other SMN were outdamaging you.
You somehow mysteriously thought this whopping 10% damage while in Dreadwrym was the be all end all... it wasn't.
You were only squeezing an extra 300 damage out of it max. So Wow... you mega outdamaged me didnt you... oh wait... no you really didn't. -
05-30-2017, 04:51 AMMhaeric
As for BLM and piety, there are certain piety tiers that you can meet to be able to, in order of cumulative ascending piety tiers:
1. squeeze out an extra Fire IV before needing to switch to umbral ice
2. make it so that you always have enough mp to be able to thunder after blizzard 3 without sometimes needing to wait for a tick
3. make it so that you always have enough mp to be able to blizzard 4 immediately after blizzard 3 without sometimes needing to wait for a tick
The first requires only a very tiny amount of piety unless you're a dunesfolk lalafell who don't need to have any extra at all. The others require a moderate piety investment (~40 or so) in order to achieve. The easiest way to achieve this is to put it on your Anima weapon, since then you can save all your melds for other stats. This also makes you less tied to having to have piety on your SMN if you play both and don't want it there.
Beyond that, sps is your best bet since it helps with mobility and being able to dodge quite a lot on top of increasing your rate of fire which is important as a slow casting turret. After that, technically I think det is better than crit by a slight margin, since it always applies it's effects whereas crit's benefits only apply occasionally due to the slow attack rate... but det is boring. Since the margin of difference is so small between the two, most blm I know just choose crit as the secondary stat for the fun factor.
As for melding now... I would wait the 3 weeks until 4.0 hits, since all your current gear will become obsolete almost instantly.
(As for the SMN feud, I don't know Neela but I would take anything Silverquick says about summoner with a grain of salt. I agree with Neela here that Piety is not a particularly useful summoner stat to have when weighted against what crit and sps bring to the table.)
Don't forget more pet damage, since their attacks are directly improved by sps.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mairissa
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05-30-2017, 05:14 AMPowercowThis is entirely not true. Like, at all. This is also probably the easiest thing in the entire game to test.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silverquick
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05-30-2017, 05:49 AMSilverquick
And you guys were probably the ones who never used Ruin 3 outside of Dreadwyrm either I take it?
The ones who were using Ruin 2 and Ruin 1?
... well ok whatever floats your boat.
That said for everyone elses... Don't listen to these boneheads... go out and do it yourself... see if it ACTUALLY works...
... and don't just do what the manual says... it's probably wrong or old outdated techniques that no longer apply... or even applied back then.
Or the people that came up with them are so caught up in the minutiae they can't see the big picture... and didn't realize shaving an extra 10% wasn't worth the 100% you could have. -
05-30-2017, 07:07 AMDyvid
Ugh....
On topic. OP, I would suggest you wait till after 4.0 launch since new end game gear will drop and stats will change. -
05-30-2017, 01:21 PMHpynsoDo you do end-game?Quote:
Originally Posted by Silverquick
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05-30-2017, 04:56 PMNeelaserious? again every smn is used to use ruin 3 out of trance... don't u get? people already know that even before you show up... and now you see... its not that I follow you nor that I pick you up for a fight - others try to make it clear as well but you are stubborn like always. and please show me where you told me to you use ruin lll out of trance the first way - you don't really think it was a choice after an advice you gave me, do u? ^^' one month ago you posted a "guide how to enter trance" (lol?), some weeks later you made your own post about the cls changes from ARRs to HWs skill changes because in the common guide noone even reacted to your summary - and you know why? because people already know those things since ages. there was nothing new, no breaking news, no discovery, just the questionmark why you reloaded OLD stuff and tuned them with mistakes and false informations. and now just a few weeks later you play the smn-master in every topic regarding this cls? seriously who's outdated?Quote:
Originally Posted by Silverquick
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lmao... you really think you told the community, for real..? x'DQuote:
Yeah.... that was me that told you that "months" ago...
And you were shocked. You and about half the other older Summoners here about crapped your pants over it.
oh remember our very first meeting? (27.03.17 20:10) - you wasnt even lvl 60 smn at this time...
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Well I admit I am not interested in breaking things down to the 1% mark like some... but I do see the full SMN at this point. Minus Deathflare... but its coming... (-snip-)
oh wait... there is someone telling you it's a common thing to use ruin lll out of trance... I wonder who was that... hmm... ^^Quote:
(-snip-) ...bliz2 is kinda mp-intensive and in times where you should use ruin lll even out of trance you should think twice if its still worth it.
don't think so...Quote:
Originally Posted by Hpynso
oh and silver... the more you talk about math and formulas the more you show that you actually don't know much about the cls skill mechanics at all... deathflare depends on ss? piety for more mp -> more ruin 3 -> more dmg? missing the extra ruin 3 in trance on purpose? outdamaging raid builds? you dont even take your egi and dots in consideration of your overall dmg, whats sad cause it's 40-50% of your dps - giving both up for what... for some more mp and 1x unbuffed ruin 3? and best of all you (really think?) convince the community that it's the way to go with ruin lll out of trance a month before SB pops up? your special discovery rly?... here is why i always get mad if i see a smn post from you: I can't stand people who think they know the materia they are talking about - but if it comes to smn, my dear friend you always proof that you don't have a clue at all. this is nothing personal, believe it or not. -
05-30-2017, 05:24 PMHyoMinPark
If you are not planning to raid, meld just Tier IV Crit and Spell Speed materia for your BLM. Accuracy is being removed and replaced with another stat for 4.0, so I would be hesitant to meld it, and it isn't needed unless you plan to go into Savage of Ex primals with your BLM.
With SB so close, I would not spend the gil/potsherds/spoils on Tier V. Rather save Toer V for SB (of course, we'll probably get a Tier VI but still). -
05-30-2017, 08:25 PMSilverquickWell here's my character...Quote:
Originally Posted by Hpynso
You decide....
http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...cter/16960411/
In fact I sped through Alexander just in the normal Queue... started on Savage for kicks...
I thought it was easy... I pretty much raid Void Ark Series daily...
And I'm already at 350 Coms...and only playing a DPS... not a tank or healer... I already know these guys are full of crap. I recently changed my gear a bit for BLM but previously the stats I gave are what I can swap gear for.
I have been cutting though the content like its butter. I've probably been in dungeons with half these guys already and kicked the crap out of their numbers.
Almost nothing these jokers claimed ever turned out to the true... and it torques them off to no end... -
05-30-2017, 09:00 PMNeela
you are just a funny guy with no end-game-experiance... if someone asks for endgame/raiding... they most probably don't mean Ark... yet you don't own a single savage accessories but you talk like "kicking the crap out of their numbers"? with that linked gear/stats? no 270 weapon but using tier 4 materia... not mentioning the huge waste of anima potential... Jenova must truly lack in good dds if your words are "true" than... honestly I doubt that... .___.
about your incredible power: do u parse? or do you compare your "awesome" dmg via the enmity bar? which has nothing to do with the actual dps if people know how to use utilities like shadowwalker or quelling strike (which you actually miss for your smn)... -
05-30-2017, 09:07 PMSilverquickRiiiiight.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Neela
I'm already in Savage you dork... the only thing that keeps me doing more of it is Queue time.
And actually, I'm convinced at this point you don't even play SMN anymore. -
05-30-2017, 09:25 PMNeelaoh why so? cause I confrontate you with things you can't follow?Quote:
Originally Posted by Silverquick
it's my daily main cls after all and thats the reason why i hate guys like you - who spread bs about a cls i truly love ^^ -
05-30-2017, 09:43 PMSilverquickWell then...Quote:
Originally Posted by Neela
We're even.... because that's exactly what I think of you... you're full of it... and full of yourself. -
05-30-2017, 09:47 PMNeela
no we are not even... at least i know what im talking about if it comes to smn cls. you proofed you don't.
but... I have to admit that I like your passion for this cls as well - but get your informations right before you promote stuff which lacks in truth... the cls itself deserves it ;3