A question about the mentor system and jump potions

One of the requirements for becoming a mentor is to have at least one job from each of the three roles at level 60. When the level jump potions are added to the game, are people going to be able to buy their way out of this requirement? Or is the requirement going to change to having a job from each of the roles that advanced to 60 without use of a level jump?

(And yes, I know there would still be the other requirements of 1000 dungeon runs and 300 commendations or whatever it is, but neither of those requirements address the issue of needing to have played as all three roles. Only the leveling requirement specifies tank, healer, and DPS.)

Mentor requirements will most likely change.

Depends on if the Jump Pots also unlock the related achievements.
Because it's actually tied to the achievements.

Being able to buy achievements seems uh...

No... not at least in the beginning since you can only buy one jump potion per service account. I imagine if/when this changes, so will the requirements be changed as needed.

Since you can skip MSQ you could realistically become a mentor in a couple of days. MSQ is the biggest hurdle of the crafting/gathering requirements.

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Originally Posted by Niwashi

(And yes, I know there would still be the other requirements of 1000 dungeon runs and 300 commendations or whatever it is, but neither of those requirements address the issue of needing to have played as all three roles. Only the leveling requirement specifies tank, healer, and DPS.)

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I mean, it's possible to get every job in the game to 60 before you hit 1000 dungeons on a new character, so I guess if someone wants to spend $75 to get a tank/healer/dps to 60 (which should be even easier to do the normal way after SB if they increase armory bonus exp again) and then spam the shortest instanced place they can find 1000 times... I dunno why anyone would want to be a mentor that badly.

Guessing they'll increase the level requirement to 70 at any rate (and current mentors would be grandfathered in), but who knows.

Edit: Plus, it's only one potion per account 'til 4.1.

New requirements will be a proctored exam where you have to beat all the Primal Extremes in a PUG of all sprouts, two are watching netflix on the other monitor, you may only use PvP chat commands, one hand tied behind your back, and every death will play the voice track sloppy.

Then you can move to the preliminary permit phase, where if you've completed your relic(s) for all your jobs you may be approved for a mentorship status. Your status will be temporarily revoked if you do not finish the current end game raid set one week after release. If you do not receive all the available commendations on all content whether your status is active or not your status will be temporarily revoked. A status revoked more than twice will result in a permanent ban. Please look forward to it :D

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Originally Posted by MomomiMomi

Don't forget that if you insta-leave a dungeon as a mentor you get permabanned from the game.

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Oh right, definitely! In fact if you unqueue while other members are in the queue with you, that is automatically a temporary suspension~ Just to make sure they're going to really stick with it. We don't need to remind mentors that if you receive AFK status while in a duty, even if people are waiting for cooldowns or it is the 2min PvP window, that you'll be kicked immediately, and that counts as leaving of course, naturally :3.

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Originally Posted by Shougun

New requirements will be a proctored exam where you have to beat all the Primal Extremes in a PUG of all sprouts, two are watching netflix on the other monitor, you may only use PvP chat commands, one hand tied behind your back, and every death will play the voice track sloppy.

Then you can move to the preliminary permit phase, where if you've completed your relic(s) for all your jobs you may be approved for a mentorship status. Your status will be temporarily revoked if you do not finish the current end game raid set one week after release. If you do not receive all the available commendations on all content whether your status is active or not your status will be temporarily revoked. A status revoked more than twice will result in a permanent ban. Please look forward to it :D

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Don't forget that if you insta-leave a dungeon as a mentor you get permabanned from the game.

How will a jump potion affect this, you still need to complete 1000 instances and receive 300 commendations, people that pay to skip levels wont have the attention span to even do 1000 instances let alone get 300 commendations.

To be fair, POTD already ruined that requirement.

and more than likely, the requirement will go up to level 70.

Well, in a sense the game already allows you to circumenvent the trinity-requirement: Level arcanist and you get both the DPS and the healer at 60, even if you only actually play SMN or scholar and just do the quests for the other one. So I dont see a real issue here to be honest - as you point out yourself: There are other requirements in the way of becoming a mentor (and they're more difficult to reach than three classes at 60)

Requirements will be changed and current mentors grandfathered in

Pretty sure it was mentioned somewhere that even if you use something like the story skip potion, you still need to go back and do the dungeons. You'll still trigger the first time adventurer in those dungeons. The story achievements should be unlocked with the potion, though, since they are tied directly to the story that you pay to skip. Examples: Free Wing Night (MSQ Lady of the Vortex); Warrior of Light (all 2.0 MSQ complete); Floor the Horde (MSQ Heavensward: Litany of Peace); etc.

I sincerely doubt the use of a jump potion will ever exclude players, or characters, from ever becoming a mentor. Unless it's been confirmed elsewhere, we'll just have to wait and see if they will change any of the requirements to become a mentor.

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Originally Posted by Final-Fantasy

How will a jump potion affect this, you still need to complete 1000 instances and receive 300 commendations, people that pay to skip levels wont have the attention span to even do 1000 instances let alone get 300 commendations.

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I already pointed that out in the opening post. Yes, those are bigger requirements than simply leveling is, but it doesn't say you have to have run at least 334 instances as each role or gotten 100 commendations for playing each role. If a level jump potion counts for the mentor requirement, then someone who plays a lot and has already done their 1000 runs but has never tanked, for instance, can just buy their way to PLD 60 to say they're qualified on tanking as well.

The issue doesn't have anything to do with the amount of time or effort needed to qualify. (The instances and commendations requirements take care of that part.) It has to do with the breadth of what you need to have done.

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Originally Posted by Vidu

Well, in a sense the game already allows you to circumenvent the trinity-requirement: Level arcanist and you get both the DPS and the healer at 60, even if you only actually play SMN or scholar and just do the quests for the other one.

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I hadn't thought about that one. You're right. I guess it can already be partially circumvented. That's no reason to make it worse, though, and it would still exacerbate it further to count a potion-leveled job as well. Then someone would be able to spend $25 to meet the trinity requirement having never played anything except DPS, or having never gone past 30 as anything other than healer.

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Originally Posted by Niwashi

If a level jump potion counts for the mentor requirement, then someone who plays a lot and has already done their 1000 runs but has never tanked, for instance, can just buy their way to PLD 60 to say they're qualified on tanking as well.

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I don't really see how anyone can do a thousand dungeons/raids and not have at least functional knowledge of how tanking and healing works. But if they raise requirement to level 70, that 10 levels is more than enough to figure it out anyway, so I guess we can hope for that.

I'd also argue that the role requirement is more or less pointless given how differently jobs play. For example, I don't think someone with only sch, pld, and drg leveled could give more than basic advice to a new person trying to play ast, drk, or nin. They'd probably say something like: "Cleanse debuffs and use your cards, spam your aoe threat on trash and use tank cooldowns, keep dots up and use dps cooldowns" unless they spent time researching those jobs despite not playing. They'll have even more trouble helping a new person with the new job-specific UI stuff on any jobs they haven't played. S'why we have the Novice Network--It takes a village 'n all.

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Originally Posted by Niwashi

I hadn't thought about that one. You're right. I guess it can already be partially circumvented. That's no reason to make it worse, though, and it would still exacerbate it further to count a potion-leveled job as well. Then someone would be able to spend $25 to meet the trinity requirement having never played anything except DPS, or having never gone past 30 as anything other than healer.

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It can already be completely circumvented. The game does not differentiate between types of mentors. I don't have a tank or DPS at 60, didn't even have 1000 duties completed when I became a mentor, and I have the same qualifications as someone who did the battle route.

And as I said in my previous post, because of the MSQ skip, you will now be able to do this within a few days.

Which goes to further show that the entire mentor system should be removed from existence.