Are they going to make it more like this picture? Or are they going to keep it where, lancer can attack as far as an archer? Just wondering if they said anything on this. In this picture, as a lancer, it says I shouldn't get hit by anything but I should still should be able to hit them. Not including range attacks.
Attack range.
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12-11-2011, 02:07 AMRokienAttack range.
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12-11-2011, 02:09 AMTheVedisare you seriously trying to claim lancer can fight mobs from a distance as far as an archer can?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rokien
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12-11-2011, 02:09 AMDeadRiser
I think this really depends on what mob you are fighting....
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12-11-2011, 02:11 AMRokien
Pretty much, and a crab, just like this pic.
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12-11-2011, 02:13 AMDeadRiser
Well a crabs attack is single target. If the tank has the hate like he should, no you shouldn't be getting hit ever. Unless you are fighting Ifrit who's main attack is AoE scratch, etc.
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12-11-2011, 02:47 AMNakiamiie
Well, I am an archer and range has less influence than I thought it would. I can stand next to my target without much change in effectiveness in combat (damage/accuracy). Is it just me or does range really has little effect?
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12-11-2011, 03:00 AMRokien
Sorry to mention a different game other than FFXIV but, just take a look at this and watch where you are matters, and if you are just a few inches past the weapon, it wont hit. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNI-l...eature=related please don't talk to much about this game, try and keep it ffxiv. I just wanted to show an example.
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12-11-2011, 03:05 AMNeroTo be honest, i dont get what you are aiming at.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rokien
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12-11-2011, 03:08 AMDeadRiserThat is basically an action MMO (vindictus type combat).Quote:
Originally Posted by Rokien
That is a totally different type of MMO than what we have now. Yes in the future Yoshi said he wants strict battle placements to effect the outcome of battles. That's why he is introducing personal combos and then rereleasing the battle regimens later on.
By the looks of that battle, the lancer thingy looks almost invincible.. but you are also talking about a one on one fight. -
12-11-2011, 03:10 AMRahJahIt would be neat if there were an optimal range for critical hits. It would require some "critical" thinking dealing with foot placement in a fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nakiamiie
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12-11-2011, 03:18 AMNakiamiieYes, I agree, takes combat one step further too, which is great.Quote:
Originally Posted by RahJah
Would the majority be happy with this? Is this possible with FFXIV 2.0 at the very least? -
12-11-2011, 03:21 AMHanemakikazeWords cannot express my reaction to this comment so...Quote:
Originally Posted by Rokien
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12-11-2011, 04:41 AMRokien
What I'm getting at, is I can attack farther than the weapons reach! The mobs can attack farther than their reach as well!
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12-11-2011, 05:05 AMArcellThe only time a weapon can attack farther than its reach is when you jump forward then attack, like with axes and lances.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rokien
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12-11-2011, 07:30 AMRokien
There's jump in this game? >.>
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12-11-2011, 07:42 AMRubicon
How about making CNJ spell range and THM spell range the same. I hope the 1.20 changes make spell ranges all the same.
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12-11-2011, 07:42 AMNeroAt the moment im curious why under your Name it says Main Class: LNC Lv 50....Quote:
Originally Posted by Rokien
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12-11-2011, 02:47 PMRenshi
Oh, I get it!
No man, attacking is not only swing your weapon, but also makingsteps forward hopping. I got your point. In fact, this rule doesn't apply when you're autoattacking, because your character doesn'tdo that movement with the feet or whatsoever.
Still tho, it's not a critical thing to care about, unless you are a realism whore who can't see something different than common physics =) -
12-11-2011, 09:22 PMSweetheart
Better attack range for ARC it's a must have, atm is waaayyy to short.
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12-11-2011, 11:35 PMVeasna
I have never been able to attack from very far with my lancer. Even skewer didn't work half the time because my char would scoot over too close to the other mob for it...maybe this is because my lancer is a lalafell...
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12-12-2011, 01:27 AMRazor
So I heard we were talking about range.... How about that Storm's Path guys? ^^
Loling aside, I think the OPs issue is nothing more than misunderstood aninimation lag. Even FFXI had this one, the monster's AI (which is most likely server sided) is going to detect you and start approaching long before you see it start moving. There is then a lag before you react and start moving (amplified by server lag) and then the monster is actually a whole lot closer to you than it looks. (Works with attacking an enemy walking away from you too). This gives the illusion it is hitting you out of its range when in reality, its already on you. Model size effects attack range too, you and Ifrit will be able to trade hits from a visibly longer distance than you in a marmot so you dont have to be all up in Ifrit's sack getting different kind of animation lag. -
12-12-2011, 04:16 AMRokien
Oh, I know lot of it is caused by lag, I just would like some precision, like, If i move my char to look a little left and he does a move that CLEARLY doesn't hit, I want em to miss not have a crit for 1000dmg ya know.
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12-13-2011, 12:07 AMNakiamiie
There you go, they are reducing combat individuality in the dynamic:
I really hope this is just temporary for the class reform... otherwise, why, why?Quote:
- [dex1206] Magic spells have been unified to strike either a single target or, in the case of AoE, a circular area. Attack range has also been increased, and area of effect broadened.
* Discrepancies between thaumaturges and conjurers no longer exist in the above areas. - [dev1206] The accuracy bonus granted to bow attacks based on distance has been abolished.
- [dex1206] Magic spells have been unified to strike either a single target or, in the case of AoE, a circular area. Attack range has also been increased, and area of effect broadened.
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12-13-2011, 05:05 AMRokien
Ya, I like the archer thing, but don't like the other one as much.
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01-01-2012, 04:36 PMRokien
Sooo, I was fighting, and was attacking 100 miles away, I think they need to fix it.
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01-01-2012, 08:53 PMSnickleWhiskersYou know your sig pretty much says why you dont miss when your weapon isnt directly hitting them. Face the wrong way and your character auto faces the mob while using the weapon skill you asked it to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rokien
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01-04-2012, 07:25 AMRokien
You don't even know man ^.^
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04-04-2012, 01:17 AMRokien
Soo this going to be fixed... I mean, I stand 100 feet away from ifrit and still can hit it with a clear gap between my weapon point and ifrit!
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04-04-2012, 01:18 AMTheVedis
no day would be complete without rokien necro bumping one of his threads
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04-04-2012, 01:43 AMRydinIt is officially Tuesday now...Quote:
Originally Posted by TheVedis
Thats because it's not an action RPG.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Rokien
Everything is given a range... and anything within that range can be hit...
Lancer can't really be as realistic...
think about a Lalfell DRG and a Roegadyn DRG....
The way this game plays, they have to have the same range or people will be upset because they chose Lalafell not knowing that it would negatively affect their gameplay
So now Lalafell and Roegadyn have the same weapon range... but a Roegadyn Spear is going to be WAY LONGER... then not all spears will be the same length
So because this is NOT an action game (There are action elements... but overall it is, for all intents and purposes a speed/atb based RPG) the developers made a decision re: attack ranges. Pugilist being the shortest and Archer being the farthest.
If it feels like your DRG is attacking the same distance as the archer, then you can believe the archer has room to back up considerably and still hit the target.
Comparing it to the archer is silly because:
1. their ranges are drastically different
and 2. The archer is not "obligated" to stand far away... they can stand anywhere from right on the MOB to pretty far away... so unless you are testing against an archer at max range, then there really is no sense discussing a comparison -
04-04-2012, 04:39 AMJinko
Rokien nobody cared the first time, what makes you think we care now :D
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04-04-2012, 05:08 AMLux_RaynaSeriously...their ranges are way different. Idk how anyone can claim lnc has same range as arc. Like seriously? lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Rydin