Disciples of the hand/land for an archer?

Hi!

I started to play a few days ago and I don't know what disciple of the hand/land to choose :confused:
What are the best for an archer?

Thank you!

If you get into crafting, you're going to end up wanting to advance all eight of them. This is partially for cross-class skills, and partially for making materials that another class needs.

But for initial priorities if you want to focus on one or two first:

Carpenter makes your bows, Leatherworker makes the majority of your armour, and goldsmith makes your jewelry. (Jewelry is updated less often than the others, so I'd probably prioritize either LTW or CRP above GSM.)

You may want to consider Weaver as well, since you'll need crafting gear too, and Weaver makes the majority of that, (along with Blacksmith for tools and again Goldsmith for jewelry). Also, LTW and WVR have a lot of crossover in materials. They each have many recipes that use both leather and cloth, so need each other to provide some of their materials, so it can be helpful to level those together. (There's also materials from other classes as well, it just seems to be a few more so between those two.)


EDIT (Forgot to include the DoL part.):
Botanist provides the wood if you're going with Carpenter, as well as some of the cloth materials if you work on Weaver.

Hides for Leatherworker (as well as some other materials for Weaver) come from mob drops on your combat classes, so DoL isn't as involved, though there are some secondary materials that come from Miner. (Most leather, for instance, is made from various types of skins/hides from mobs along with alumen from mining.)

Miner supplies Goldsmith with ore.

Thank you for the information!! :)
I have another question: Are bows and armours that are made by carpenter and leatherworker better than I can get from quests?

Quest rewards aren't really anything special, with a few minor early exceptions.

On one hand, if you're quickly leveling/replacing gear, quest rewards and the occasional dungeon loot (sometimes even supplemented with shop gear) should typically suffice to get you through to the next bit of gear thrown at you.

On the other hand, if you always want to have the best at all times (at least without farming dungeons for full sets, which, by the time you ever got them, you'd be ready to replace), crafting can get you HQ gear with slightly better stats. (at low/mid levels, maybe a few stat points per gear, at best; differences get bigger the higher the level)

So kinda mostly depends on whether you want to stop and take the time to craft, or if you can get by on what you're given until the next batch of rewards.

Personally I've always gone for crafted when I can, because bigger numbers are always better, right? But I couldn't actually say whether they made much difference over NQ stuff.

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Originally Posted by Malizia

I have another question: Are bows and armours that are made by carpenter and leatherworker better than I can get from quests?

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clvl - character level
ilvl - item level of the gear

At certain parts of the game, yes, at end game no. During the early game HQ crafted gear is better but the difference is very small, usually +3 stat points. The biggest difference is availability. Crafted gear is easy to get, dungeon gear is random, so it can easily take you many runs to get the pieces you need.
At clvl 45, you get your Artifact gear, ilvl90 ilvl50, which is way better ilvl45 crafted gear.
At clvl 50, you get your ilvl90 Artifact gear and with poetics (a current form you start earning at 50) will allow you purchase i120 gear, which is better than any gear you can craft at lv50.
Between clvl 51-59, you will be given HQ crafted gear by the main story quest.
At clvl60, you can get i250 crafted gear, to allow you access to all of the Heavensward content immediately because much of it is locked behind ilvl walls, including the Expert Roulette, which is your best source of the Scripture currency. The other option is start earn the Lore currency to purchase i230 gear, which will unlock most of the Heavensward content.


If you want to tackle crafting, here is some help for that.
Crafting for Beginner's:
First get all your crafters to 15 to gain access to all basic cross crafting skills.
Then get them all to 50 (CUL and GSM 53) to gain access to full set cross class crafting skills. These skills allow you to reliably make HQ items with NQ materials.

Crafting is expensive, you pay with time or GIL.
Lower Gil with higher time, if you gather your own materials.
Truck loads more Gil, with way less time, if you buy your materials. Many, many base materials can be purchase from in game vendors at significantly lower prices than the Market Board.
Do the Beast Tribes to unlock additional vendors and materials.

To assist in your crafter leveling the Ixal Beast Tribe is available after completing the quest In Pursuit of the Past.
It unlocks the quest A Bad Bladder. This is available after lv41.

To further assist you, Moogle Beast Tribe is available after completing the quest Laying the First Brick.
It unlocks the quest Tricks and Stones. This is available after lv53 but most people just do after having a DoW at 60.

DoW Gil Guide, you need GIL to pay for your crafting. At least until you have the skills to make items HQ that population wants to buy from you.

Caimie's Crafting Guide something every craft should read at least once.
Crafting simulator for practising different rotations without burning your materials
Unspoiled Nodes for end game gathering.
Emphemial Nodes gathering rotation.
Gear Guide for end game crafting.
Fisher Reference.
Desynthesis Guide

Crafting Rotations follow some basis rules:
1. The opener, Comfort Zone, Inner Quiet.
Each successful quality touch will increase your Inner Quiet stacks. Each increase makes you a stronger quality crafter. Inner Quiet has no effect on completion.

2. Get your completion to within one Careful Synthesis / Careful Synthesis II of 100%.
Using skills such Muscle Memory, Piece by Piece or Rapid Synthesis for very large completion gains. These are needed for high level crafting.

3. Use skills to restore/conserve your CP.
Comfort Zone, costs 66 but over 10 steps, restores 80, thus, +14 effect.
Hasty Touch and Rapid Synthesis, costs 0 CP as the expense of RNG.
Tricks of the Trade, restores 20 CP for each use.

4. Use skills to buff your skills.
Steady Hand (22 CP), Steady Hand II (25 CP), increase reliablitiy of your actions.
E.g. Pop Steady Hand II, the use Hasty Touch mutliple times. This will give you an 80% success rate on 5 quality touches costing 0 CP.
Great Strides doubles your next touch effectiveness.
Innovation increases your skill for up to 3 touches.

Ineguity II is generally only required for crafts above your own level.
E.g. Lv60** or Lv60*** crafts

5. Use skills to restore/conserve your Durabitliy.
Masters Mend, Masters Mend II, Manipulation, Waste Not, Waste Not II
For Durability 70/80 crafts, Master Mend II is the most efficient.
For Durabiltiy 35/40 crafts, Manipulation is most efficient, followed very closely by Masters Mend.

6. The quality finisher for post lv50 crafting, you have many, many Inner Quiet stacks built up, time to use Byregot's Blessing/Brow for a hugh quality jump.
E.g. SH2, Ingenuity II, Innovation, Basic Touch, Great Strides, Byregot's Blessing.
I use this as the finisher for macro crafting. As it prevents the possibilty of getting a Poor condition on for the Byregot's touch.
E.g.
/ac "Steady Hand II" <wait.3>
/ac "Great Strides" <wait.3>
/ac "Ingenuity II" <wait.3>
/ac "Byregot's Brow"
/ac "Innovation" <wait.3>
/ac "Byregot's Blessing"
/ac "Careful Synthesis II" <wait.3>
/ac "Careful Synthesis II" <wait.3>

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Originally Posted by ChameleonMS

At clvl 45, you get your Artifact gear, ilvl90, which is way better ilvl45 crafted gear.

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Small correction, you get ilvl50 gear at 45. You get the i90 at 50 (when it can be equipped). Either way, though, the 45/50 job quest gear is a significant improvement over anything else you're likely to find at that point.

(also think describing level 60 rotations to the new level 22 character is probably a bit of information overload. but maybe that's just me)

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Originally Posted by Malizia

Thank you for the information!! :)
I have another question: Are bows and armours that are made by carpenter and leatherworker better than I can get from quests?

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Yes and no. For the leveling part, 1-49, the gear you get from the quests is craftable gear, with the notable difference that if you craft it you can make it to be High Quality, which is indeed better than the item you got from the quest. Then during the level 50 quests you get gear that far surpasses anything you can craft at that time. For 50-60 part, the quests again give craftable gear, but the quest rewards come as High Quality already, so they are the same you could craft.

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Originally Posted by Hasrat

(also think describing level 60 rotations to the new level 22 character is probably a bit of information overload. but maybe that's just me)

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You are probably right, copy / paste can be terrible some times.

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Originally Posted by Hasrat

Small correction, you get ilvl50 gear at 45. You get the i90 at 50 (when it can be equipped). Either way, though, the 45/50 job quest gear is a significant improvement over anything else you're likely to find at that point.

(also think describing level 60 rotations to the new level 22 character is probably a bit of information overload. but maybe that's just me)

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You actually get both sets at level 45. You get the i50 set from certain points in the level 45 quest, while the i90 set is the reward from finishing the quest itself. The exception is the chest piece (both the i50 and i90 version), which you get from the level 50 quest.

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Originally Posted by StaticTransit

You actually get both sets at level 45. You get the i50 set from certain points in the level 45 quest, while the i90 set is the reward from finishing the quest itself. The exception is the chest piece (both the i50 and i90 version), which you get from the level 50 quest.

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Thanks for correcting my correction, lol. Now I do remember having to find room for all that 50 gear while all my jobs were still 45. Surely would've made more sense to have all the 50 gear at the 50 quest.

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Originally Posted by Hasrat

Thanks for correcting my correction, lol. Now I do remember having to find room for all that 50 gear while all my jobs were still 45. Surely would've made more sense to have all the 50 gear at the 50 quest.

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You didn't get the i90 versions from those quests before HW. They were just tagged on later, to help people get up to speed with the patch content. I suspect it had to be shared between couple quests because there is a maximum amount of quest reward items for one quest that the system can handle, but I don't know that for sure.