[Dev 1251] Additional Market Search Features

I'm thrilled that we are finally getting this feature. I've gone through quite a few leveled with gimped gear (i.e ARC 30-28 with pretty much the same set) because going into the wards eats up my time.

But some features I'd like to see in the future, most likely 2.0, is a shopping cart feature and a wish list.

Shopping Cart: We can choose to select everything we want to buy in one transaction. Seeing all of our items laid out in a menu before any gil is actually exchanged. This would help in buying gear sets if you only wanna spend a set amount of money. Weighing the pros and cons of how much you really wanna spend on each piece. A lot of people do this on paper before hand already.

Wish List: A set list in a window that pops up every time you enter the wards that displays any items you have flagged and their current price, average or lowest. Average for things like mats cause you'd probably want to buy them in bulk and lowest for single items. Also the amount available. I know people do this on paper and in forums as well.

Does anyone think these would be useful enough to devote time and energy to? Or do they seem too superfluous?

I like it!

Only other suggestion I could make would be for crafters. You select your final product and it populates the shopping cart with all the components needed to make it. Then you go through the cart and prune the materials you already have and don't need.

All the cheapest materials would be automatically selected so, in the end, all you say is, "I want enough materials for three synths" and it purchases it all for you, moving it into your inventory.

That's a great idea. To make sure all the mats were available instead of getting 100k in and realizing you just filled a bunch of inventory slots cause you can't get the rest of the ingredients. These could offer more opportunities for gil sinks as well.

Wow some epic ideas, love the crafting one. That would be insanely handy.

I'm not sure the shopping cart is such a great idea. If there's only one of an item available it won't be able to handle three people trying to get that item at the same time. Can't say this would happen all the time, but if an item is popular enough and the supply is very low, it's not fair that the first person that sees it can tie it up in a shopping cart, but then changes their mind on it and it goes back to the available sale inventory. I think the first come, first serve environment works better and that this idea would be hard to implement.

As for the wish list, that kind of works now with how you can set your retainer to buy an item for you. It would need an interface so that people can view all the retainers looking to purchase items and a way to specify to buy something at a x price or lower.

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Originally Posted by Orophin

I'm not sure the shopping cart is such a great idea. If there's only one of an item available it won't be able to handle three people trying to get that item at the same time. Can't say this would happen all the time, but if an item is popular enough and the supply is very low, it's not fair that the first person that sees it can tie it up in a shopping cart, but then changes their mind on it and it goes back to the available sale inventory. I think the first come, first serve environment works better and that this idea would be hard to implement.

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That's assuming that just the act of placing an item in your shopping cart would lock it out.

If I were designing the system, I wouldn't have the item tied up just because it is sitting in a shopping cart. Only when I click on the purchase button would the system verify that everything was available and nothing had changed.

If something had changed, e.g. an item was no longer available or a price had changed, it would return the player to the shopping cart and highlight the changes, asking the player if they still want to proceed with the transaction.

Meh, good Ideas but I think that's going a bit far for SE technology... I think I'm getting old, or you new gen of gamers are getting lazier and lazier...Don't even want to buy stuff one by one anymore! lol

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Originally Posted by Plague

Meh, good Ideas but I think that's going a bit far for SE technology... I think I'm getting old, or you new gen of gamers are getting lazier and lazier...Don't even want to buy stuff one by one anymore! lol

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Its convience! So yes you getting old! me too :'(!

But that is just life... its why we drive cars and not walk, its why we shop online and dont go out, and its why we download movies and ignore the cinema. Humans are lazy!

Well we do have this stuff in real life when shopping, isn't fantasy supposed to be generally better? haha

My mother works as a virtual assistant from her home and sets up online shopping carts for clients. And she's over 50. I know website format is to online game server structure what retarded bears are to abstract meditations on quantum physics. But...come on....lol. "Outside technological boundaries" is a bit of a lame excuse.

Hmm please don't tie these ideas to useless 3d models and I like it. How about suggestions tab? We see you have 3 of the for materials to craft X or we see you're missing X gear feom your armor set here's the item for sale. Click to see price histories.

I love it when posters like the op sometimes dare to ask something new and innovative as opposed to expecting SE to fill in the bare bones basic features of an mmo (that admittedly do need their own posts too).

I think the shopping cart idea has merit and idk if it's laziness per sae more just convenience. Instead of having to write down all your mats needed for your 'shopping list' it provides one for you.

I do see what you are saying at the same time Plague, and I think it was in jest but at least it was an idea rather than the usual QQing about how something new is broken before we even have tested it yet.

I will say this off topic though, this post was a nice change from the complaints seemingly taking over the forums so imho it's refreshing to see some adults talking instead of bickering. Thanks to you all for bringing some faith back to me in the community. (^.^)

~Gee

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Originally Posted by Seif

Hmm please don't tie these ideas to useless 3d models and I like it. How about suggestions tab? We see you have 3 of the for materials to craft X or we see you're missing X gear from your armor set here's the item for sale. Click to see price histories.

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This idea is pure genius! I'd take it a step further even. If your weapon, armor or tools are outdated, it would suggest possible replacements. If you are getting near a replacement (1 or 2 levels) than a suggestion should popup as well.

But the scanning your inventory and making suggestions on what you could possible make is brilliant.

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Originally Posted by Plague

or you new gen of gamers are getting lazier and lazier...Don't even want to buy stuff one by one anymore! lol

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As it had been said before, MMOs should be, in a sense, a time sink, which keeps players paying for it. Time shouldnt be wasted struggling with UI which would only frustrate players. I think new players and current players would LOVE to just select the item they wish to craft, then add everything needed into a cart with a price.

Dealing with the UI and shopping shouldn't be a large amount of time in your FFXIV play time. Playing with other players should.

I thought I'd give this another run through because I thought some good points were made and would like to see some more.

Sorry for a selfish *bump*

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Originally Posted by AtryxEtair

I'm thrilled that we are finally getting this feature. I've gone through quite a few leveled with gimped gear (i.e ARC 30-28 with pretty much the same set) because going into the wards eats up my time.

But some features I'd like to see in the future, most likely 2.0, is a shopping cart feature and a wish list.

Shopping Cart: We can choose to select everything we want to buy in one transaction. Seeing all of our items laid out in a menu before any gil is actually exchanged. This would help in buying gear sets if you only wanna spend a set amount of money. Weighing the pros and cons of how much you really wanna spend on each piece. A lot of people do this on paper before hand already.

Wish List: A set list in a window that pops up every time you enter the wards that displays any items you have flagged and their current price, average or lowest. Average for things like mats cause you'd probably want to buy them in bulk and lowest for single items. Also the amount available. I know people do this on paper and in forums as well.

Does anyone think these would be useful enough to devote time and energy to? Or do they seem too superfluous?

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this will never work. here is why:

how will they control the movement of items if multiple people have the same item in their shopping cart?

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they wont.
if they do decide to lock that item out after a person selects it and keep it locked until they purchase or exit, then we would have people being douchbags and locking out their competitors items out and then go afk so the only items available for purchase are their own.

You haven't purchased the item when it is your cart. It will still be on the market. Intelligent people wouldn't put the last of a specific item in high demand in a shopping cart and let it sit there while others could still buy it before they "check out". Works the same way for online stores.

You know what would be nice to have on the market? A little advertisement from the seller.
You could invest in to having your name appear in gold or a little slogan for the stuff you sell.
Just a thought though.

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Originally Posted by Lucifer

You know what would be nice to have on the market? A little advertisement from the seller.
You could invest in to having your name appear in gold or a little slogan for the stuff you sell.
Just a thought though.

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Wasn't that the purpose of stalls?(not sayin it worked) Or do you mean specifically in the search menu?

in the search menus

I don't see a huge benefit to that because people will always go for the cheapest thing. It would work if we could sell things in groups. Like a full armor set and it gave a description if it had materia on it or something. Label it "Def/Hp Tanking Full Set".

If we can trade and mail multiple items at once I don't see why we shouldn't be able to buy them.

I like the idea for wish list, but think the shopping cart could be tricky as thinks could sell whilst you are pottering around the search interface.

I am still unclear how the price history works (maybe someone can clear this up), is this available to look at from your own retainers interface or do I still have to go to the search menu to check prices ?

If its the later I hope they plan to allow us to check prices from out retainers as this is the most time consuming thing for me right now.

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Originally Posted by Jinko

I like the idea for wish list, but think the shopping cart could be tricky as thinks could sell whilst you are pottering around the search interface.

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Originally Posted by LicontAshontear

this will never work. here is why:

how will they control the movement of items if multiple people have the same item in their shopping cart?

answer:

they wont.
if they do decide to lock that item out after a person selects it and keep it locked until they purchase or exit, then we would have people being douchbags and locking out their competitors items out and then go afk so the only items available for purchase are their own.

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I thought this nicely covered any issues with a shopping cart...

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Originally Posted by normalforce

That's assuming that just the act of placing an item in your shopping cart would lock it out.

If I were designing the system, I wouldn't have the item tied up just because it is sitting in a shopping cart. Only when I click on the purchase button would the system verify that everything was available and nothing had changed.

If something had changed, e.g. an item was no longer available or a price had changed, it would return the player to the shopping cart and highlight the changes, asking the player if they still want to proceed with the transaction.

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If you're worried someone else might take the last one, then buy it immediately. Shopping carts are for the leisurely shopper, not the impulsive buyer.

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Originally Posted by AtryxEtair

You haven't purchased the item when it is your cart. It will still be on the market. Intelligent people wouldn't put the last of a specific item in high demand in a shopping cart and let it sit there while others could still buy it before they "check out". Works the same way for online stores.

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maybe i didnt make myself clear enough so ill try again

based on what you replied to my post: if the item isnt locked out when its in your cart, then someone else can come along in the 5 mins or so that you are "shopping" and buy it out from under you.

This will never be implimented and this thread should move onto discussing something that actually might happen. like the wish list idea you posted. that might actually happen and is a good idea. Shopping cart will never happen.

great idea i hope they decide to put this in would be real easy to get everything you want and save time wrting it down on paper and doing the maths ur self.

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Originally Posted by LicontAshontear

maybe i didnt make myself clear enough so ill try again

based on what you replied to my post: if the item isnt locked out when its in your cart, then someone else can come along in the 5 mins or so that you are "shopping" and buy it out from under you.

This will never be implemented and this thread should move onto discussing something that actually might happen. like the wish list idea you posted. that might actually happen and is a good idea. Shopping cart will never happen.

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But this happens now! Two people could be looking to buy the same item off the same retainer and one of them is going to leave disappointed. Every time you attempt to purchase something from the Market Wards there is always a chance someone will swoop in seconds before you and snatch up that item.

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Originally Posted by normalforce

But this happens now! Two people could be looking to buy the same item off the same retainer and one of them is going to leave disappointed. Every time you attempt to purchase something from the Market Wards there is always a chance someone will swoop in seconds before you and snatch up that item.

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Precisely. It could prompt you when you add an item to the cart if there are less than 3 of said item left. "Due to the low supply of this item it may be purchased by someone else. Are you sure you don't want to buy it now?" or something hopefully more brief and aptly worded.