Personal loot for 4.0 Dungeons?

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Q51: In Heavensward, players were able to increase their item level through main scenario quest rewards, but will players be able to increase their item level in the same way in Stormblood?

A51: Similar to 3.0, players will be able to obtain gear through main scenario and side story quests. With 3.0 dungeons, there were times where gear for the role you wanted didn’t drop, or you may have lost the loot to other adventurers, so your item level may have increased slower due to these reasons. For these reasons, with the 4.0 dungeons, we made it so players can obtain the gear for their role after defeating the last boss in that dungeon.

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Really nice change, in special for leveling dungeons.

I am SO excited for this! This should have been done a long time ago but better late than never.
I always wondered, too, why gear dropped for classes that weren't even in the party. It just seems like it would have made sense to drop gear for one of the random 4 classes in that dungeon at the time.

I guess it is a simple job check of the party and removing those gears that nobody can wear.

He mention loosing loot to other players too, so looks like last boss is going to give something to everyone.

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Originally Posted by Driavna

He mention loosing loot to other players too, so looks like last boss is going to give something to everyone.

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If they have any sense, they'll just add a token system.

Great idea. Can't wait to experience this.

From the wording it does sound like the player will be able to choose which piece of gear they want, possible that each player has to check the chest to pick what they want at least to me that sounds like the easiest way. A token system would be awful since it would just eat up a lot of space. The design is for players to choose the gear for their job so you would need tank, healer, dex(NIN), DEX(MCH/BRD), STR(MNK/SAM), STR(DRG) and INT, which defintiely take up a lot of slots. So it would just be easier to implement a "Choose one of the following" option with an interactive chest.

Even though dungeon loot always gave me an incentive to continue to run it after the first clear, this is a welcome and overdue change. I like knowing I will come out of a dungeon with something I can use instead of hoping for it.

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Originally Posted by kattzkitti

If they have any sense, they'll just add a token system.

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I don't know. I think it'd just been seen as another Tomestone, 'Grind.' That and (I may be wrong, please correct me if I am), Tomestone gear cannot be De-synthesized, while Dungeon Loot can be. So, this would also be good to give some incentive for those wanting to work on their crafters.

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Originally Posted by kattzkitti

If they have any sense, they'll just add a token system.

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No more tokens please.

SE: We added 40 inventory slots

Players: Yay!

SE: We added a feature so you will always get a piece of gear from dungeons.

Players: Yay

SE: It's a token system.

Players: ...

SE: There are 55 different tokens.

Players: Grumble

SE: Due to the large number of tokens added, they will drop into your inventory, they will not be KIs.

Players: (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻

I'd love to see a untradeable bypass like other games have. If a piece of untradeable gear drops, everyone present for the drop may trade it for up to an hour or two. Once its equipped, its bound. ESO does this alongside personal loot for every boss.

What happens is at the end of the dungeon, everyone trades out gear they don't need. This might encourage more PF groups.

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Originally Posted by Istaru

No more tokens please.

SE: We added 40 inventory slots

Players: Yay!

SE: We added a feature so you will always get a piece of gear from dungeons.

Players: Yay

SE: It's a token system.

Players: ...

SE: There are 55 different tokens.

Players: Grumble

SE: Due to the large number of tokens added, they will drop into your inventory, they will not be KIs.

Players: (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻

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Omg I laughed so hard a little pee came out...

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Originally Posted by kattzkitti

If they have any sense, they'll just add a token system.

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I really hope not. If there's anything I hated about Alexander normal mode, it was the tokens. Savage wasn't so bad as there was the usual loot system plus tokens. But arbitrarily having to run A4/A8/A12 4 times for anything, even if just for glamour? No thanks.

They're really gonna have to change that for normal raids when Stormblood hits. Once the content is old, no one's gonna bother running it repeatedly for anything from it.

Personal loot sounds great...till you get multiple bosses of no loot while seeing other people get items.
The only way it works is if they increase the amount of loot so everyone get a single piece for a boss.

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Originally Posted by Assirra

Personal loot sounds great...till you get multiple bosses of no loot while seeing other people get items.
The only way it works is if they increase the amount of loot so everyone get a single piece for a boss.

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That's what they think SE means. Everyone gets a non-rolled upon drop. Some are speculating it will be a token, others are disliking the idea.

I have terrible luck with dungeons.

I remember when Heavensward came out I got from 50 to 60 purely through dungeons. Didn't win a single gear drop (did win a minion though, which was cool)
Same thing happened with two of my alt classes

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Originally Posted by Assirra

Personal loot sounds great...till you get multiple bosses of no loot while seeing other people get items.
The only way it works is if they increase the amount of loot so everyone get a single piece for a boss.

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From what I understood from the translation, it would be a drop for everyone at the end of the dungeon.

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Originally Posted by Istaru

No more tokens please.

SE: We added 40 inventory slots

Players: Yay!

SE: We added a feature so you will always get a piece of gear from dungeons.

Players: Yay

SE: It's a token system.

Players: ...

SE: There are 55 different tokens.

Players: Grumble

SE: Due to the large number of tokens added, they will drop into your inventory, they will not be KIs.

Players: (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻

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LMAO. I laughed harder than I should have. Sad part is that sounds like somthing they would do.

About damn time, rng has been so cruel in this game and the system has not been... great.
I do not think this will mean however that in the 24 mans for example that the same job specific gear (Bard, healer, whatever) gear can drop in 2 chests and then again in later floors, or am i reading that wrong?

I took this as "chests will only drop things party members are able to equip" rather than "chest will drop a guaranteed loot per person", basically removing aiming gear if there's no ranged, or removing caster gear if there's no caster.

Likewise with raids, if there's no DRG in your party at the moment of clearing then DRG gear is removed from the pool of items.

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Originally Posted by hiedra

I have terrible luck with dungeons.

I remember when Heavensward came out I got from 50 to 60 purely through dungeons. Didn't win a single gear drop (did win a minion though, which was cool)
Same thing happened with two of my alt classes

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To be honest I just passed everything. My 130 ironworks was better than that 136 junk anyway.

Plus the fact that you level so fast it wally doesn't matter if you don't get that piece because you'll outgrow it in an hour

This won't do much though if it only applies to dungeons because not me any people run the dungeons for the gear anyway.

Personal loot chests in an expert roulette for example would be lol. Many people leave the instances without opening a single chest as it is.

I actually don't mind this. Seems fair all around.

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Originally Posted by alimdia

I took this as "chests will only drop things party members are able to equip" rather than "chest will drop a guaranteed loot per person", basically removing aiming gear if there's no ranged, or removing caster gear if there's no caster.

Likewise with raids, if there's no DRG in your party at the moment of clearing then DRG gear is removed from the pool of items.

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Either way would work really well.

Still looks like its gonna be rng elements for all the bosses minus the last one (though if thats the case defo remove job loot from the pool of items if the job is not present). The last boss tends to more often than not be the weapon, chest or legs which are really the primary pieces so that'd be nice.

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Originally Posted by alimdia

I took this as "chests will only drop things party members are able to equip" rather than "chest will drop a guaranteed loot per person", basically removing aiming gear if there's no ranged, or removing caster gear if there's no caster.

Likewise with raids, if there's no DRG in your party at the moment of clearing then DRG gear is removed from the pool of items.

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i wonder how that will be implemented. if you're in a 24 man raid and your party has 1 tank 2 healers and 5 red mages... is the loot pool going to be 12.5% chance of a tank drop.25% chance of a healer drop and 62.5% chance of a caster drop with a 0% of scouting striking aiming or maiming.... which could end up being pretty disasterous if all those casters are passing all the (head hands legs feet) drops cos they want the body.... (think we've all been in that 24 man raid where all your parties dps are the same type of class. (4smns and a blm, or 3mch and 2 brds))

or would it be 33% tank 33% healer 33% caster drops... which would arguably favor tanks when there's only one in a party....

or if you had 8 different jobs you might end up with 12.5% fending, 12.5% casting, 12.5% aiming, 12.5% scouting, 12.5% maiming, 12.5% stirking and a 25% chance at healing gear.. which would then bias the loot pool in favor of the healers..

weighted loot systems are kinda dangerous because it's notoriously difficult to make them fair

What caught my eye is the part about players getting their personal loot from the last boss. I'm banking heavily that this means everyone in the instance will get a randomized piece of a gear set (not found anywhere else except for said instance) for the job they went into.

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Originally Posted by ThirdChild_ZKI

But arbitrarily having to run A4/A8/A12 4 times for anything, even if just for glamour? No thanks.

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It's almost like you're playing an MMO. Getting the piece of gear you want for four runs is quite generous.