Small rant about rudeness in game

Small rant, but I wont be too hard on the rant, however....

I often read or hear people talk about toxic players, are those who cares about a players damage, elitist bragging about clearing raids and the list goes on. We all seen those and I agree they do exist, however do they exist in the higher numbers, it's a daily thing we see? For me? Not really

Last week and before that, I've met so many players who simply doesn't give a damn about the others effort or even cares about the other players are actually players...

Example 1: They join a farm group, tend to die a lot, they loot the loot, let's say mount and leaves after saying thanks. They die every round at least 3 times, but ofc the group has to show they are willing to accept this, otherwise they are bunch of a-holes right?

Example 2: People who do roulettes who hit 1 button every 10-15 seconds or simply play like they using bot, totally unfair for others. This isn't about doing runs faster, this is about players who completely ignore others in the group. I simply dont mind a 40 min dungeon as people actually try to play.

Example 3: ''I pay the sub too so I have every right to join a group even tho I do wipe them all'' Seriously happened way too many times and it's getting on me.

Why can't people just respect others, instead of thinking this is totally okay? I'm not sure if anyone will agree with me at some point or ever, but this happens way too much and it's kinda weird nobody mention it. Maybe because it's a bad thing and makes you look bad? I'm all up for helping players out, but when they do it so bad, makes it looks like they do it on purpose, which I think it selfish.

I just use the vote kick function in most cases. Most players are pretty cool, or at the very least decent, but there's always going to be jerks ingame, much less online in general (these forums alone have plenty).

If you want a perfect experience every time, roll with groups of people you know you can trust to meet your standards. You know what you might be getting yourself into with PUGs, so you really don't have any place to complain when you opt-in and get a bad roll on the matchmaking roulette.

I just play by the personal rule, "Don't be an ass." It's worked out so far, although I can't help but call out others when they're being selfish or obnoxious... gotta work on my caring level.

Although I do simply love the dude who yells at me for letting a buff drop off because I took two seconds in a roulette dungeon to fix my headset or adjust my chair. Leave the hyper-critical BS over in the endgame progression trial/raiding where it belongs.

I consider myself fortunate that I haven't come across too many toxic players. Still, I know they are not strawmen only making an appearance on these forums and reddit. I've seen the screenshots and videos of truly toxic players who make mountains out of molehills, and seem to only want to make things difficult for others.

I can tell you that because it is such a rare occurrence for me, and players are generally diplomatic, it drives me nuts when it does happen. Even if I am not the focus of the aggression, I try to make things civil, no matter how futile the effort. So when I can't, I take it pretty personally. It hasn't happened enough for me to be hardened by it.

I generally see the playerbase as friendly, and any of us can be having a bad day. That doesn't make rude behavior ok, but one thing I have noticed is that an aggressive player only becomes more so when aggression is the response to them. Doing this only serves to add fuel to their fire, and time to the run. I can't be bothered to try to live up to someone else's ridiculous standards. I know what I am there to do, and I can't do it while exchanging blows over party chat. So I tend to ignore it, and would consider leaving the instance if pressed further. Fortunately, it has not got to this point yet.

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Originally Posted by kattzkitti

If you want a perfect experience every time, roll with groups of people you know you can trust to meet your standards. You know what you might be getting yourself into with PUGs, so you really don't have any place to complain when you opt-in and get a bad roll on the matchmaking roulette.

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This isn't about perfection, so read my post again. People tend to play like it's totally fine to ignore the others, that type of player exist more than those ''elitist'' people speak off, just saying. In my own experience, however.

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Originally Posted by akaneakki

This isn't about perfection, so read my post again. People tend to play like it's totally fine to ignore the others, that type of player exist more than those ''elitist'' people speak off, just saying. In my own experience, however.

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They exist, so what? There's no reason to come onto the forum and make yet another thread on the same subject to complain. It isn't productive, it serves no real purpose. Do what any well-adjusted adult does, and just move on to the next thing on your personal list of things to do for the day. If they're being legitimately malicious in their actions then kick them for it, but be careful that you don't just kick out of spite or something, as you can suffer GM backlash for that if the person you kick takes offense.

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Originally Posted by akaneakki

First post

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1. It's called RNG. The player with the highest lot wins every time. You don't have to like it, so SE gave you the option to win it 99 times for that mount, if this is what you're referring to. Though honestly I never found the logic in farming for a mount...then again I never played W.o.W.
2. I've been playing since ARR beta and never have I seen this nonsense. Though again, I don't play with a parser (PS3). Which means I don't waste my time nor loose my senses over how someone is performing. As long as the duty, trial, whatnot gets done. I'm satisfied with that.
3. Same as number two.

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Originally Posted by kattzkitti

They exist, so what? There's no reason to come onto the forum and make yet another thread on the same subject to complain. It isn't productive, it serves no real purpose. Do what any well-adjusted adult does, and just move on to the next thing on your personal list of things to do for the day. If they're being legitimately malicious in their actions then kick them for it, but be careful that you don't just kick out of spite or something, as you can suffer GM backlash for that if the person you kick takes offense.

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So what? Have it occured, like ever occured you, those people I talk about, trash talk a minor group of players in the game? It looks like some people think this attitude is completely fine. Oh well. I guess I will move on and ''complain'' my way out then :).

Edit: Mod might as well close this thread. It's settled as people think the bad attitude towards others are fine, when I completely think it's not. Glad some think that this is wrong and not everyone. However feel free to close it mods.

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Originally Posted by akaneakki

So what? Have it occured, like ever occured you, those people I talk about, trash talk a minor group of players in the game? It looks like some people think this attitude is completely fine. Oh well. I guess I will move on and ''complain'' my way out then :).

Edit: Mod might as well close this thread. It's settled as people think the bad attitude towards others are fine, when I completely think it's not. Glad some think that this is wrong and not everyone. However feel free to close it mods.

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It isn't fine, but nothing you, I, or anyone else says will change them. So why let it get to you, which just feeds their negativity and causes harm to your own mental state in the process? Rhetorical question, there's no reason to let it get to you. Learn how to let such things roll off your back, but do report the truly heinous ones as there is a point where it goes too far and just moving on isn't correct.

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Originally Posted by kattzkitti

It isn't fine, but nothing you, I, or anyone else says will change them. .

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I have to agree to that, that's very true. Sadly, this rant is on this forum to make people how frustrating it can be, maybe I was just wrong to tell how I feel how certain players and yes some people on these forums actually say. Maybe it would actually put them in a mood where they would think, ''so what I'm doing is actually wrong?'' But I guess that's not gonna happen. But however, wish you good luck and have fun in the future content and the game :)!

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Originally Posted by akaneakki

Edit: Mod might as well close this thread. It's settled as people think the bad attitude towards others are fine, when I completely think it's not. Glad some think that this is wrong and not everyone. However feel free to close it mods.

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Where I disagree with you is on your definition of bad attitude. You seem to be calling 'low skill' an example of bad attitude.
I consider bad attitude to be people who try ti micro-manage how I play my character, my rotation etc... people who put down others in chat, swear, etc...

I don't see people who try things they are not up to the challenge of as bad attitude. I see it as people over-estimating what they can do.
I do see people who make extreme negative judgements or assumptions about the motives of those 'over-achiever' players... as being the ones with the actual bad attitude.

As someone else also noted in different words... if you want to avoid the risk of being grouped with people who are not as ready for something as they presumed they were, stick to pre-made groups.

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Originally Posted by Makeda

Where I disagree with you is on your definition of bad attitude. You seem to be calling 'low skill' an example of bad attitude.
I consider bad attitude to be people who try ti micro-manage how I play my character, my rotation etc... people who put down others in chat, swear, etc...

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Harrasment comes in many forms, just not telling people harrasment, put down people in chat and so on.
I'm not going to tell you how to play, I'm simply asking not to play like you werent there at all or barely paying attention to the screen. Why is it harrasment? Because you drag people as hostiles, pretty much force them to carry you on their back, so they can get whatever they want. Fair? No. Not gonna lie either, those players are those who usually talk bad in groups, because if things doesn't go their way, with their attitude of playing, they will simply say; Don't tell me how to play, don't tell me what to do.

I was in expert, told this WHM stone 3 is better than stone 2. If he wished to aoe, holy has aoe and he said he knew that then told me straight off not to tell him how to play. C'mon we are in a lvl 60 dungeon, use the skill you get after 50 and not before 50?

Being bad at the game doesn't make someone rude. Some people just don't know any better.

Ignoring messages doesn't make you rude either. Sometimes players just don't see the messages.

I remember when I first did Thornmarch I didn't know that we could ignore the last two moogle tanks and move on to the king. So I kept attacking the tanks while someone in chat kept shouting "STOP! STOP! HELP KILL THE KING!" I didn't see the messages because I was new at the game, back then I couldn't read the chat while fighting because I was always too nervous to take my eyes off the mobs. I'm sure that person thought I was being an idiot but I was genuinely trying my best. After the fight was over I read the messages and told my friend about it. She then explained that I could actually change my settings so that I got a noise notification every time someone sent a party message. Had it not been for her I probably would have screwed up a lot more. Unfortunately not everyone has a friend like that.

Fact:

1. When we play MMORPG we should keep in mind that it's an online game with so many "People" (a real person) not just NPC. So same as irl you may find people that you'll hate, it's depend on the Majority for vote kick/disband (Democracy lol)

2. Irl most peoples tend to hold back when they talk, but in-game most peoples just burst out what's in their mind, they have their own opinion and maybe different than you and when their opinion getting attacked it will trigger the argue button.

Tips :

1. Don't judge people just by only your own PoV when playing.

2. Keep a cool head when you think somebody rude to you and don't just going rude back to him/her, in most cases it causes a more trouble to the run.

3. It's good to learn how to persuade people kindly instead of burst out your emotion and opinion and say thank you if they do what you ask.

4. Mostly it easy to only use Logic in a solo game, but when it comes to Co-op or even MMO that's not enough ;)

Like previously stated, initiate a vote kick and move on. Don't give into their toxicity or drama.

I tend to just laugh it off and kick. If it's extremely toxic, I will leave, timer or not. I don't have time for people's BS.

I suggest running with at least 1 person you know(I always run with a friend or my wife/family) so you have that edge with kicking. I cannot count the times I've had to leave because the other members won't kick the problem.

That A hole. probably not using a keyboard. typed THANKS on their coontroller. So toxic

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Originally Posted by akaneakki

Example 2: People who do roulettes who hit 1 button every 10-15 seconds or simply play like they using bot, totally unfair for others. This isn't about doing runs faster, this is about players who completely ignore others in the group. I simply dont mind a 40 min dungeon as people actually try to play.

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This is why I go crying in a corner when people are busy with something else and can't form a premade with me.
Killing the second boss in Baelsar's Wall before he even has the chance to spawn adds is really nice, whereas sometimes randoms in Duty Finder are so nice to make you kill two add waves.

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Originally Posted by akaneakki

Example 1
Example 2
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I know exactly what you mean and I am with you. Rudeness comes in many ways and manipulating the dungeon run for 3 other people on purpose is rude!
For me it's totally fine if people are unexperienced or don't know how to handle their class, but they should at least have an open mind and a good attitude torwards others.

Just had an expert run this week with a WAR who didn't use any defensive CDs, so I asked him to do so. ('XYZ, could you please use your def CDs so the incoming damge is reduced and I can relax on healing a bit to support with DPS.' was the wording.)
He stated not being a pro gamer, but his gameplay is totally fine and I should stop complaining. Hm, 'kay, sorry for trying to improve. :rolleyes:
So he chose that way instead of asking if any of us 3 knows a bit about WAR and could give a little hint at how to use the def CDs. I would have gladly explained it to him, but okay.:rolleyes:

I blacklisted 3 people so far since cross server.

One talks about what a great SMN he is and is ranked 95 on DPS for a11s (who the f":"#£ gives a toss?? Insecurity alert) But plays a tank and he is sh*t at mechanics. Makes a mistake and laughs about it. Someone else makes a mistake and blames complaints point fingers and leaves .

One was a healer and when someone makes one mistake he complaints and tells everyone how we all suck and we are all terrible and of course leaves the party.

And the last one a healer who is another deluded child who joins a farm party if we don't one shot for X reasons DISBANDS the party and blacklists everyone.

Can we please have an option to BAN deluded MORONS for a week to grow some balls get a grip and come down from cloud 9?

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Originally Posted by akaneakki

So what? Have it occured, like ever occured you, those people I talk about, trash talk a minor group of players in the game? It looks like some people think this attitude is completely fine. Oh well. I guess I will move on and ''complain'' my way out then :).

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I could be wrong, but I feel like anyone who can't be bothered to put any effort into playing the actual game is probably not hanging out on the forums. The people you're complaining about are very likely not the people who are complaining about elitists. There are players who will ruin your good time at every level of this game, though in my experience they're not that common. If I run into a player doing something that drives me nuts, I ask them to stop, and if they don't, I typically just leave. I'd rather do something else for half an hour than get aggravated about a video game.

One trend I've noticed recently is that (presumably new) players, often tanks, will not chat or even apparently read the chat. People in the party will notice that they're new and give them tips for the boss, which they utterly ignore. And like, that's fine, I don't need to have a super-optimal run to be happy, but when the tank eats a Lunar Cry twice in a row after we've told him several times how to avoid it (and presumably he can see everyone else, including the other new player, hiding), I kind of wonder why he's even playing the game. This isn't "striving to be the best" or improving or anything, this is literally understanding the gameplay at all.

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Originally Posted by ADVSS

That A hole. probably not using a keyboard. typed THANKS on their coontroller. So toxic

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Putting words into my mouth. If a player actually doesnt respond, I won't care. This is about people who sits with the controller in their hand BARELY touching it. Please, dont put more words into my mouth.
However some people won't respond and it makes me curious if they just bot or not. Many times groups I've been in calling out bots and when we do they suddenly start moving, like actually moving and not some bot doing it for them.

Edit 2: Times when groups ask for no new person into a farm group, we keep asking who it is and the person completely ignores the whole group. On ps4? No, was actually on pc, so who here uses a pc without a keyboard? hmm? And on top of that not only ignoring questions, but the fact they come into a farm group and start wiping us. That's childish, selfish and not respectful at all.

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Originally Posted by AmeliaVerves

He stated not being a pro gamer, but his gameplay is totally fine and I should stop complaining. Hm, 'kay, sorry for trying to improve. :rolleyes:
So he chose that way instead of asking if any of us 3 knows a bit about WAR and could give a little hint at how to use the def CDs. I would have gladly explained it to him, but okay.:rolleyes:

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You see, some people in here are totally okay with this guys attitude, because he basically tells you to screw off and don't care about the others. But many on here doesn't do it, but they exist a lot more in game however, which is really bad.

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Originally Posted by Talraen

I could be wrong, but I feel like anyone who can't be bothered to put any effort into playing the actual game is probably not hanging out on the forums. The people you're complaining about are very likely not the people who are complaining about elitists.

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Actually, few of the people on this forum (met them on cross finder too actually) those who say people who actually tries are elitist, yes very much on this forum. Since the forum doesn't allow pointing out people, I wont do it. Yet they go in groups and begs for a kil or farm when they have absoluttely no clue what's going on. That is very selfish and rude.