Old Minons

I was wondering if we could somehow acquire the wind-up Dalamud, Bahamut ,etc again? I swear I remember reading about us being able to get them in the Mog Station eventually (If it was up to me, we'd get them from quests) but I can't recall where exactly..or if it truly was said.

Anyway, as a 1.0 player, I really want the minon! I have other stuff that was one time exclusive, like the wind-up bahamut, I don't mind if they make all these available for everyone and think it would be nice.

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Originally Posted by Iromi

I was wondering if we could somehow acquire the wind-up Dalamud, Bahamut ,etc again? I swear I remember reading about us being able to get them in the Mog Station eventually (If it was up to me, we'd get them from quests) but I can't recall where exactly..or if it truly was said.

Anyway, as a 1.0 player, I really want the minon! I have other stuff that was one time exclusive, like the wind-up bahamut, I don't mind if they make all these available for everyone and think it would be nice.

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Since they were promotional codes sent out with physical items (codes now long since expired), there's no chance of them being added in game other than through the mogstation. As for being directly available through the mogstation, this has just been a desire brought up by people multiple times as they either had no desire for the physical product they were attached to or found out about the items after they were no longer obtainable, but nothing from Square has ever been announced on the subject.

It'd be a real kick in the pants to those that bought the physical item, no?

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Originally Posted by Canadane

It'd be a real kick in the pants to those that bought the physical item, no?

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I'm sure other people paying to get the minion on its own would make their world crumble. They got a free minion with a physical item they hopefully wanted.

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Originally Posted by Dustytome

I'm sure other people paying to get the minion on its own would make their world crumble. They got a free minion with a physical item they hopefully wanted.

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That isn't how it works, the minion is tied to the merchandise, and shouldn't be available through alternate means.

I would like to see these pieces of merchandise be made available again though, with the same minions tied to these items (perhaps an eorzea collection that contains the old minions in a new merchandise package).

I'd like some of these old items myself but I imagine it would be a kick in the face for the players who paid for them, and they'd be a lot less special.

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

That isn't how it works, the minion is tied to the merchandise, and shouldn't be available through alternate means.

I would like to see these pieces of merchandise be made available again though, with the same minions tied to these items (perhaps an eorzea collection that contains the old minions in a new merchandise package).

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It's not how it currently works, it could be if they wanted it to however. If all someone wants is the digital item, why force the purchase of something that could just end up being landfill waste? I bought the encyclopedia eorzea and it came with a minion. If after that promotion expired, they offered the minion separately I couldn't care less. I'd feel pretty petty if I got upset because they made a digital in-game item available via alternatives means for those that wanted it.

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Originally Posted by Dustytome

It's not how it currently works, it could be if they wanted it to however. If all someone wants is the digital item, why force the purchase of something that could just end up being landfill waste? I bought the encyclopedia eorzea and it came with a minion. If after that promotion expired, they offered the minion separately I couldn't care less. I'd feel pretty petty if I got upset because they made a digital in-game item available via alternatives means for those that wanted it.

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As weird as it sounds: there are enough people out there that are buying the merchandise because of the attached minions. If SE would make it a habit to add those minions to the MogStation later, they would lose out on those sales.
And even if I agree with you that it would be kinda pathetic to get upset about that later those minions are currently markted as "exclusive" and SE is actually making money with that. If they were to sell the minions seperatly later, they need to make that clear before or everyone whos buying the merchandise might be rightfully pissed about false advertistment...

And honestly: I'm not sure if I would have bought the soundtracks if it werent for the minions (even though I gave those to a friend who really cares about them) - while I like having real CDs I ofc copied them to my harddrive and am now listening to the music that way... or well, I would be if I werent using YouTube for that anyways. Without the minion I would have hestitate more to actually buy the soundtracks.

So long as they avoid breaking promises, not assumed promises by the player, but actual ones - I think it would be nice to have these items obtainable some other way. Collection is an addiction SE can make /a lot/ of money supporting lol.

I don't agree that because an item was bought with another they have to be bound together forever, in fact I see the digital item as a bonus like you get those little bonuses sometimes when purchasing the primary item in real life. Specifically they usually call these digital items bonuses too, to both state that its extra added value and that its not the primary purpose of the purchase. Extra lotion or whatever, the purpose was not the side little item as it wasn't in the title and it wasn't on the receipt, if you made it about the bonus item that was a bit on you (although I can understand some mixed feelings on the idea, I still believe if they've made it clear it was extra it means it's not permanently bound into the original deal). They wanted to entice the deal by giving you extra, that doesn't mean they can't take that bonus and sell it separately else where.

Of course avoiding moments where they said "this item will never be obtainable again, anywhere, ever" and then they do the opposite of that- that's bad.

I'd also work towards notifying people of the delay schedule for those bonus items, even if its not known when it'll be up again - setting a minimum unique timer. Like buy the new moogle plushie, and during the first run also get a bonus moogle minion in game exclusive for at least 6 months! Then preferably added to the game at an event, or something, but in the end to the cash shop. I'd also work on being very specific for items that have expiration and permanently limited availability, things that will never be available again! I would strongly and kindly ask avoiding this for any sort of out item that wasn't available in game first, but they might work well for charity events - to really push the purchase of the item.

Of course I feel if you added the KC (kupo cash)/Veteran reward system, or methods so that you promote whales but also lower the the amount of damage to people who are not whales the cash shop may be more accepted - specifically if you don't release things so fast that it makes the KC massively useless (25 new exclusive cash shop items a month, every 3 months players get enough KC to buy 1 minor minion - the good feels from the KC would be absolutely buried by the obvious zeal in hunting the whales).

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Originally Posted by Canadane

It'd be a real kick in the pants to those that bought the physical item, no?

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Well, I honestly wouldn't mind. I bought the physical item for the actual item..I'd rather see others be able to get these minions, they're really nice ^^ I was mostly just asking where SE/Yoshida said they would eventually sell them on the Mog Station, I saw many people online claim this but couldn't find where they said it.

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Originally Posted by Iromi

Well, I honestly wouldn't mind. I bought the physical item for the actual item...

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Thats anecdotal evidence as to why it wouldn't be an issue though. Can you imagine buying the Odin statue for $200 and then the emote being immediately put on the mogstation.

Like I said, the only solution is through merchandise. These codes need to be more readily available, but through the merchandise, having a limited run with a code that expires causes problems like this. If you could go on the SE store and just buy the before meteor soundtrack for the minion regardless of when in the games life cycle you are at, then people would be a lot happier with it.

Oh, and if your argument (this is directed to anyone) is that minion collectors shouldn't have to buy merchandise, I will remind you that minions aren't supposed to be collected like that, and that if you really are a die hard collector then you will conform to SEs distribution of bonuses (because I am honestly sick and tired of minion collectors complaining and dictating reward distribution of content, ala ranked feast).

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

Thats anecdotal evidence as to why it wouldn't be an issue though. Can you imagine buying the Odin statue for $200 and then the emote being immediately put on the mogstation.

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If I were willing to pay that much, it would be because I wanted the statue and not the emote that comes with it. Getting the emote that came with it was a perk. At the point that promotion ended you'd have to pay $200 for the statue still and then the price of the emote from the mogstation on top of that if you wanted both. If you only wanted the emote then you'd presumably pay much less and there's one less odin statue sitting in storage or buried in a landfill. I of course can only speak for myself in this situation.

I'd really like for SE to just start printing the soundtracks with valid codes again.

It seems that they're moving away from expirations on DLC, what with the Wind-up Nidhogg and Wind-up Hraesvalgr codes not having expiration dates on them. So I would think it wouldn't be too much of a kick in the teeth if they just started printing valid codes again, and included them in future presses of the older soundtracks. I personally love the music in this game (and in most Final Fantasy games I play, tbh), so investing in the soundtrack is something I would do. The minions would be a nice bonus as well. :3

Some items I do think should retain their exclusivity (i.e., preorder bonuses such as the Cait Sith Doll or Black Courier Chocobo Chick minion), but I don't see why some would get upset if SE just started making more codes for the Wind-up Bahamut and Dalamud minions.

I'm one of the people that missed out on both the minion and their attached items. I personally would love it if they'd bring back those promos.

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Originally Posted by Alien_Gamer

I'm one of the people that missed out on both the minion and their attached items. I personally would love it if they'd bring back those promos.

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I wouldn't mind them bringing back the promos either, just not the minions alone. Don't just throw them on the cash shop and be done with it.

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Originally Posted by Sakuraluna

I wouldn't mind them bringing back the promos either, just not the minions alone. Don't just throw them on the cash shop and be done with it.

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But if they bring them back that way only, what do they do about all the people that bought them with expired codes? Should those people then have to pay an additional $50+ to get the promotional item only available by purchasing an item they already bought?

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

Thats anecdotal evidence as to why it wouldn't be an issue though. Can you imagine buying the Odin statue for $200 and then the emote being immediately put on the mogstation.

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Yes, I can. :) I have it and again I could not care less. ^^ Everything I buy from SE I buy for the item..again it really does not bother me at all.

In fact I gave my emote to my BF from the statue, I don't really care..heh. I just want my friends and others to be able to obtain these minions, because I get asked a LOT where I got them from...so figured it would be nice to see idk.

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Originally Posted by Dustytome

But if they bring them back that way only, what do they do about all the people that bought them with expired codes? Should those people then have to pay an additional $50+ to get the promotional item only available by purchasing an item they already bought?

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How about exchanging the expired codes for valid ones? I amdit that I dont know how that could work from a technical point, but it should solve the problem

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Originally Posted by Dustytome

But if they bring them back that way only, what do they do about all the people that bought them with expired codes? Should those people then have to pay an additional $50+ to get the promotional item only available by purchasing an item they already bought?

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Easy, proof of purchase between two certain dates, and you can get a free code. It's a bit much work for SE to consider it, but not entire unfeasible if they want to push these minions back into circulation (which they have no reason to care about)

I could see Blizzard doing that, having a hard time envisioning Square going out of their way though.