Is Ysht'ola dying?

Given how the other 1.0 Archons are getting knocked off, or dramatically altered, I was thinking about some of the dialogue from the CS' in Heavensward (which I cannot remember all of at this time). I seem to remember Matoya remarking something to the effect that Ysht'ola had done a number to herself when she escaped into the Aetherstream just prior to the release of Heavensward.

Any thoughts?

Do.. do you mean Y'shtola?

Think this has been discussed before, but yeah I believed it was said that she was using up her own aether to see?

My thoughts?

This thread makes me sad :( That said, I do believe she is gradually dying or something of that extent... She must live!

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Originally Posted by Canadane

Do.. do you mean Y'shtola?

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Sorry, wrong use of an apostrophe... Yes! Y'shtola! ;)

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Originally Posted by SilverObi

Think this has been discussed before, but yeah I believed it was said that she was using up her own aether to see?

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Something like that.

They sort of describe it in two different ways in the English version - the first time they seem to suggest that she is shortening her life by using her aether to see aether around her, which would suggest that she is slowly draining her life away. The second time it's mentioned seems to suggest that she needs to be careful as she could push herself too hard and that would take her past a sort of break point (the way a Thaumaturge might draw too much aether from themselves if not careful) but that so long as she doesn't cross that line she will be fine.

Which, in story-telling terms, often means she will find herself in a situation where she may feel like she needs to cross that line to achieve some other goal. Chekhov's Aether in this case, I suppose.

She "isn't" dying per-say... it's more along the lines of, she's shortening her lifespan by using her eyes to see aetheric properties easier. We don't know by how much this shortens her lifespan much less any other detrimental effects it might have on her. Matoya seems concerned obviously, but it didn't seem to be something that was a here and now urgency concern.

Also, more has been said here: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ters-mortality

Aye, Marik has the right of it. Matoya wasn't ready to start any emergency treatment on her. It's more like she's slowly straining herself, rather than outright killing herself.

I know SE likes to do a "Game of Thrones" and kill people off, but I don't think we'll lose Y'shtola for awhile. My reasoning is since she's more or less the icon of XIV (moreso than even Derplander). Whenever XIV is involved, Y'shtola represents it - like in Dissidia.

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Originally Posted by Lucke

I know SE likes to do a "Game of Thrones" and kill people off, but I don't think we'll lose Y'shtola for awhile. My reasoning is since she's more or less the icon of XIV (moreso than even Derplander). Whenever XIV is involved, Y'shtola represents it - like in Dissidia.

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She is also the only FFXIV representation in the Puzzle and Dragons Final Fantasy Collab, with a full evolution tree that spans her states.

http://i.imgur.com/JyIdHPm.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/lCLpLah.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/6S2ldYH.jpg

I don't see her dying. I can see a scenario though where she overstretches herself and Matoya sacrifices her own life energy to save her former student. The quests around Matoya imply that to her Y'shtola is the most precious thing she has left in her life.

If Y'shtola dies, I don't think it will be from her Aether vision. I more got the impression that the life-shortening it causes is a long term thing, that if she keeps using it continuously, she may wind up dying prematurely in her late 40's or 50's, not that she's in danger of dying in weeks or months. Of course, that kind of life-shortening is still highly alarming; no one wants to think that they will die so young, and since Matoya has a fairly maternal attitude toward Y'shtola, it's quite natural that she'd be concerned for her.

However, I don't think that this game will cover a timespan of the decades needed to reach Y'shtola's premature death. If she does die within the storyline, it will be for another reason. Rather, it is intended to be a sign of Y'shtola's heroism, that she's willing to knowingly shave years off of her life in order to continue being a useful member of the Scions.

(Though, honestly, she might be better off training herself to get used to the blindness, and only turn on the sight when it's really needed. That's easy for me to say, though, as I'm NOT blind - and if I were, and had a means to restore my sight at the cost of years of my life, I can't say I wouldn't be mighty tempted, even without a cause to fight for...)

That's a strong thought. I believe there is possible lore where Y'shtola could regain her sight, but at the sacrifice of Matoya.

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Originally Posted by AdamuKun322

That's a strong thought. I believe there is possible lore where Y'shtola could regain her sight, but at the sacrifice of Matoya.

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The question is, would she really want that?

she hasn't shown any dismay at her current sight at all, in fact she seemed quite curious about what she can do with the ability. She knows her limits...I hope.

frankly, we should be more worried about thancred's problem. unlike Shtola he does not even have the ability too use it, let alone see it.

I believe minfillia will restore her pupils to normal :)
Y'shtola's too awesome to go

Don't worry, there's plenty of Y'shtolas to go around.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

Matoya wasn't ready to start any emergency treatment on her. It's more like she's slowly straining herself, rather than outright killing herself.

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Basically this is my interpretation of it also. Also, if you do some of the side quests you learn that Matoya considers Y'shtola very dear to her and Matoya holds a genuine deep motherly affection for Y'shtola. If she were actually rapidly dying, there's no way Matoya wouldn't actively be doing something about it. Although if Matoya was there if we "buried" Y'shtola (assuming she dies in the main story at all in SB) that would be one hell of a heartbreaking moment! The Matoya side quests in her cave give you a lot more context about their relationship and ends on a fairly bittersweet note that's worth checking out if you haven't already done it.

I'm not home to look right now but I believe the lorebook alludes to her being ageless. My reading of it I mean.