ADD Dislike button

Hellluuuuuu

No, thanks. Experience from other forums indicate that such a feature very easily lends itself to abuse. Which is why the general trend is to not have dislike buttons.

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Originally Posted by MistakeNot

No, thanks. Experience from other forums indicate that such a feature very easily lends itself to abuse. Which is why the general trend is to not have dislike buttons.

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Abuse in what way? If a point is disagreed on by a lot of people, surely adding a lot of dislikes is a better indicator than flooding the thread with negative comments. Why feed trolls and bump threads back to the top when you can just dislike them and move on.

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

Abuse in what way? If a point is disagreed on by a lot of people, surely adding a lot of dislikes is a better indicator than flooding the thread with negative comments. Why feed trolls and bump threads back to the top when you can just dislike them and move on.

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Functionally it's also useless. You don't need a dislike button, you can simply see a complaint below it getting a lot of likes if people disagree.

But the honest answer: People dislike anything that disagrees with their (often narrow) worldview, not just "troll" threads. Even posting purely informational stuff gets disliked into oblivion if it's not what people want to hear.

Hiding controversial comments us a good way to get zero discourse.

Hellluuuuuu

Not saying everyone but people would rate down just to rate down. Go look at reddit, a good example is today I looked at the final fantasy brave exvius sub reddit and someone got rated down for suggesting a feature that would increase the 5* base unit rate if you went so many times in a row without a 5* base unit. People on the internet can and will be dicks to each other.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

Hiding controversial comments us a good way to get zero discourse.

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The comments wouldn't be hidden, it would just be an indication to developers when NOT to listen to a thread/person.

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Originally Posted by ArkNova

People on the internet can and will be dicks to each other.

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Because these forums are a ray of sunshine without this? This won't actually affect anything, nobodys comments should be hidden, but we as a community should have some way to alert the devs of an unpopular opinion.

The Devs don't need a Dislike button to tell them what is or is not a good idea. The devs take suggestions no matter how big or small and they debate on them. They aren't going off forum majority.

Also number of likes can still serve the same purpose. Scenario: Two members have opposing oppinions Person A has X likes and Person B has Y likes. Whoever has more is obviously popular opinion. People just gotta learn to like what they agree with.

I'm for dislike button.

But there could also be limits on how many dislikes you can put out, if for example one person goes into a thread and starts clicking dislike on each and single reply, that doesn't sound like he does it because he doesn't like it, but rather because he's a troll or similar.

Sure you could do the same with like button, but it's the same thing there.

The reason I'm for a dislike button is that one reply might get many likes, and another might get less likes, but what would happen if the first one with more likes had more dislikes than the second, then the second one is really is the one more liked by the community, if you only have one button, you can't compare one post to another. It's also more often people press dislike than like on a comment, it would give you a better idea how people really think than only getting the likes.

To many people take dislike button as only a negative thing, but it can be a positive thing too.

I'd kinda like a dislike button because the forums are full of threads of multiple pages of people going "NOOOOOOO!" at the OP, whereas threads about things which people want are buried because they get liked instead of commented on. And so, we all look like a bunch of whiny babies, instead of being able to just dislike and move on, and stuff that we can agree that we want just fades out, where devs will never see it.

Negative options on forums have countless times proven to only have negative effects.

/notsigned

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Originally Posted by Hen-Hen

I'd kinda like a dislike button because the forums are full of threads of multiple pages of people going "NOOOOOOO!" at the OP, whereas threads about things which people want are buried because they get liked instead of commented on. And so, we all look like a bunch of whiny babies, instead of being able to just dislike and move on, and stuff that we can agree that we want just fades out, where devs will never see it.

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This is a very good point. We see more negativity because we can't express disagreement any other way, and it just bumps negative threads back to the top. There needs to be a balance between positive and negative feedback, and we can't have likes for agreement and comments for disagreement because likes don't bump threads, and most of the time I don't want to bump a negative thread anyway.

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Originally Posted by LalaRu

Negative options on forums have countless times proven to only have negative effects.

/notsigned

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Negativity exists anyway on this forum. A dislike button means that the negativity isn't spoken, and doesn't bump the thread back to the top.

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Originally Posted by Ssmiley_Bjakkzz

I cant believe that whole forum is just full of bunch scumlords only for spam abuse so reason for it to not existing then we can simply take of like button as well and just keep to plain comments :/


Now you get my dislike button because i dont agree with you :(

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Apparently you never visited the FFXI ZAM forums.

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Originally Posted by TarynH

Apparently you never visited the FFXI ZAM forums.

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No sweetie because im in FFXIV and have my discussion here what im interested for a better forum place :)

Vote systems are forum cancer to begin with. If you add a dislike button, it just results in the formation of a quasi-hive mind comprised of temperamental and easily upset players imposing its will.

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

Abuse in what way? If a point is disagreed on by a lot of people, surely adding a lot of dislikes is a better indicator than flooding the thread with negative comments. Why feed trolls and bump threads back to the top when you can just dislike them and move on.

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In theory, yes. In practice it just leads to popular opinion drowning out even the most constructive of posts. It happens fairly often over on the FF14 Reddit and, incidentally, a lot of people over there will say stuff purely for the sake of towing the line and 'baiting' likes because they want to feel part of the perceived crowd.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

In practice it just leads to popular opinion drowning out even the most constructive of posts. It happens fairly often over on the FF14 Reddit and, incidentally, a lot of people over there will say stuff purely for the sake of towing the line and 'baiting' likes because they want to feel part of the perceived crowd.

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Happens a lot on the WoW forums. Someone asks a simple question trying to get help, bunch of dislikes. Yet, the forums trolls will post something and get a bunch of likes.

Use a pillow instead. Expressing oneself in a passive aggressive sense isn't healthy, helpful, nor desired. Or take the time and show why you disagree in an educated and calm manner.

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Originally Posted by Stitches1974

Happens a lot on the WoW forums. Someone asks a simple question trying to get help, bunch of dislikes. Yet, the forums trolls will post something and get a bunch of likes.

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Yeah, and you can get a relatively small group of players who are inordinately upset about some issue and they'll run around spam downvoting everything they disagree with in order to make it look like it's super unpopular, even if the reality is more people are in favor of it, but just don't bother to upvote it.

Honestly, rather than reply or dislike, I just ignore. No attention is better than any if you don't support something.

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Originally Posted by Kaethra

Use a pillow instead. Expressing oneself in a passive aggressive sense isn't healthy, helpful, nor desired. Or take the time and show why you disagree in an educated and calm manner.

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Pretty much this. If an idea or question gets downvotes with no explanation as to why, then the poster is only left with confusion as to what exactly they didn't like. Constructive criticism is a good thing.

Dont add a dislike button. Dont allow people to remove things they happen to disagree with. Should my opinion be censored just because it doesnt fall within your limits?

The like button is bad as is. Yes its good for showing support for a post, but it doesnt help the thread stay on the front page.

Without differing opinions there can be no discussion. And without discussion theres no need for forums.

The true dislike in these forums is the reply button.

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Originally Posted by Ssmiley_Bjakkzz

No sweetie because im in FFXIV and have my discussion here what im interested for a better forum place :)

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Well sugar-britches, they had a FFXIV ZAM forum too, so it does relate. Basically it worked like this: Didn't like someone? Keep voting down every single post they make/made, and it would result in them becoming "sub-default." Which meant any post they made would be automatically hidden from view of other posters. So basically the majority could silence and shun someone into silence, no matter what the idea or opinion happened to be (good or bad). The best part was that if you were below a certain "value," you couldn't vote in return.

TLDR; a like/dislike system can (and most likely will) be abused.

FYI, this has been brought up before. It isn't happening.

The dislike button would be the most used cause people are more likely to show their disapproval for something then they are of their approval.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

In theory, yes. In practice it just leads to popular opinion drowning out even the most constructive of posts. It happens fairly often over on the FF14 Reddit and, incidentally, a lot of people over there will say stuff purely for the sake of towing the line and 'baiting' likes because they want to feel part of the perceived crowd.

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Pretty much, yeah. Even looking at my own comment history over there, anything that's seen as slightly deviant from the hive mind (not liking healer DPS, for one...) gets me downvoted like woah and my comments either hidden or pushed all the way down to the bottom where no one will read them. At least on these forums I can discuss with people and know that my views won't be punted to some comment dumpster just because my opinions are controversial.

I'm biased though; pretty much any PVP thread on the XIV reddit gets downvoted, even if it's honest questions. Meanwhile, mundane crap like "look at this hilariously bad person I met in DF!" is upvoted to the heavens and a huge circle-jerk over why THEY'RE not like all these "bad" players fills the thread.

Mind you, I'm indifferent to a dislike button overall, so long as it doesn't alter the viewing or organization of thread comments in any way. But on pretty much every other forum or comment medium it does, so if I had to choose, I'd say no, it's not necessary here.

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Originally Posted by Texa

The true dislike in these forums is the reply button.

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This. And to add to the point...

The issue people have is they are either too shy or lack actual conviction behind their belief or opinion to put their name on something that conflicts with what they feel they don't 'like'. They'd rather hit a button that allows them to stay anonymous, have no counter discussion, and thus do not have to take responsibility for their stance.

Like I said before, use a pillow. Or put your mind and speech, as well as your name about why you don't like or agree with something.

To quote one of my college instructors: "Clear speech and clear writing is an indication of a clear mind."

Denizens of a certain elitist forum are the biggest reasons why this should not ever happen. They turned Allakhazam's forum into a clusterf*ck and wouldn't have any reservations about taking this forum into the sewer.

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Originally Posted by Hayward

Denizens of a certain elitist forum are the biggest reasons why this should not ever happen. They turned Allakhazam's forum into a clusterf*ck and wouldn't have any reservations about taking this forum into the sewer.

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Isn't Zam dead?

No, I don't support this idea.

To the people saying it won't be abused, just take a look at Reddit and WoW.
The Downvote button in Reddit is supposed to be for posts that are off-topic or don't contribute to the discussion but since it enables people to hide posts they disagree with, it gets abused. Despite numerous reminders that it is not a dislike button, a lot of well-constructed but controversial arguments get hidden along with any replies.
In WoW the downvote button is for expressing dislike but again, it's abused and people use it to shut down debate.
Lovely as our FFXIV community is, we're still human and I'm fairly sure downvote button would be abused here in a similar fashion if one was introduced.

Your idea isn't getting a lot of support OP, yet it's still on the front page and people are debating it. That's how a forum ought to work. If people had the option to downvote, your thread might have been hidden and we would not be having this debate.

This will become like reddit. Down-voting because don't agree with comment. Better not, thanks.

Honestly I don't even like the like button. A pretty important part of boards is to foster discussion, which is pretty hard when people's opinions can be skewed before they even read what's written.

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Originally Posted by Solarra

In WoW the downvote button is for expressing dislike but again, it's abused and people use it to shut down debate.

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The funny thing is the original description of the downvote and how to use it was all about downvoting nonconstructive posts. It was meant to promote quality posting, but I think Blizzard realized that wasn't going to happen and perhaps found some other value for it, which resulted in it being renamed the dislike button.

The functionality of such features is dependant on the customization available to the forum client and the version.

That in mind, this forum is a lightly modified vbulletin client. Exactly what version of vbulletin, I don't know, but ithe s possible that it's not possible depending on the version client.

If wrote knew the client version you could more easily suggest modifications that are available within that version.

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Originally Posted by Nixxe

The funny thing is the original description of the downvote and how to use it was all about downvoting nonconstructive posts. It was meant to promote quality posting, but I think Blizzard realized that wasn't going to happen and perhaps found some other value for it, which resulted in it being renamed the dislike button.

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Well one thing it did get rid of was all of the gold seller spam. Players auto-ban that crap within minutes.

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Originally Posted by basketofseals

Well one thing it did get rid of was all of the gold seller spam. Players auto-ban that crap within minutes.

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Given that most gold seller spam on the forums consisted of weak phishing attempts, it's likely that came to an end mostly because of the proliferation of authenticators.

OP's salt levels are absurdly high.

A dislike button, that's just a bad idea...
I would dislike this thread if I had a dislike button... I need my dislike button to say that a dislike button is an idea I dislike