Zurvan/Cross-World Toxicity

Is anyone else fed up with the behavior of a lot of cross-world parties, not even over skipping soar or not, but the short tempers of several players in general?
The worst is getting blamed for mechanics going wrong when someone else doesn't own up.
The hostility that ensues instead of just talking about things rationally is ridiculous. It is just a game after all, but too many treat it like if something little happens it's the end of the world.

It's an enduring problem with the game.

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Originally Posted by Kallera

It's an enduring problem with multiplayer games.

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fixed it for ya.

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Originally Posted by Atlas-04

fixed it for ya.

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Short tempers and excessive requirements? Not near as bad in a good amount of hunter games.

I can agree with you on the owning up part, but you go in with a certain party knowing what the party expects from you and vice versa. If you're in a clearing party or a farm party, the standards are higher than a training party. If it were just a training party, rules would be looser and people know not to expect much/not rage as much. If people still rage during a training party, then its their fault because its obviously a training party.

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Originally Posted by Kallera

Short tempers and excessive requirements? Not near as bad in a good amount of hunter games.

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Obviously it varies from game to game. Don't take that too literal. Most games will have a segment of players that act with hostility towards any problem whether it is competitive or cooperative.

That's to be expected can't really view or know their skill. For the majority of it people can't follow instructions, or even ignore mechanics. Your better of making learning parties and have them review a fight on youtube min.

Short tempered players, yes. There are a lot of them.
Two or three wipes are enough for them to know the potential of the party they are with.

Don't think of it as 'Toxicity' but rather, they don't want to waste their time with a group who has low chance of clearing content.

I do find it annoying because I respect duty time and hope other players did as well. I signed up for 90 minutes and I will stay 90 minutes. After duty time is done and we need to re-enter I shall take my leave if I was not satisfied with the group.

I'm gonna take the unpopular, "hardcore" route (though I myself am getting older and thus falling back from "hardcore" status) and say I hope that Stormblood eschews mechanics that are Day 1 skippable via high dps in favor of either interesting mechanics shared among the team (maybe it wasn't a ground breaking concept, but I liked Limit Cut in A11S) and punishment/complication mechanics over instant-kill ones.

If you can't skip a mechanic, guess what you do? You LEARN how to handle it. You know, like we did in Thordan Ex. The last "hard" Extreme trial.

I love it! I have the most issues with same-server PF.

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Originally Posted by Kallera

It's an enduring problem with the player mentality.

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The true fix.

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Originally Posted by JunseiKei

The true fix.

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You can't blame people for wanting to actually succeed, and in a good amount of time.

I have seen more than my fair share of vote kicks and the reason was "from Moonguard" on WoW. None of this is new to me.

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Originally Posted by ThirdChild_ZKI

If you can't skip a mechanic, guess what you do? You LEARN how to handle it. You know, like we did in Thordan Ex. The last "hard" Extreme trial.

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The best part is that people who fail with the mechanics, complain a lot and are pretty often the people who are responsible for not skipping the mechanic in the first place.^^

When i do Zurvan, i don't care if we skip soar, i care if people are able to handle the mechanic since something can always happen that you have to do it anyway. But i also understand people who leave a PF party for a ex primal if the party always wipes at the same spot (especially the so called farm partys).

Imo, it's just a game and people should be having fun. If little things get to some players, they really shouldn't be playing the game. Don't bring everyone down with you.

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Originally Posted by Rynn21

Imo, it's just a game and people should be having fun. If little things get to some players, they really shouldn't be playing the game. Don't bring everyone down with you.

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Fun is relative, and that's the thing.

Player A has fun being an Ice Mage. Player B has fun with victory and efficiency.

I'm in camp B. I'm sure someone is having fun on our fourth wipe to the same mechanic, but it's definitely not me.

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Originally Posted by dragonseth07

You can't blame people for wanting to actually succeed, and in a good amount of time.

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Again, that's an issue with player mentality and not a flaw of the game, which is what was implied. Even with your player A and player B statement, it's a reflection of player mentality and not a flaw with the game.

Western players place emphasis on individual over the group (which is not what happens in places like Japan and their communities). You'd be surprised how many Zurvan parties that didn't know soar, but picked up on the mechanic well and could farm it once it was explained. Skipping is great and all, but the mechanic should still be learned.