Daily Bonus: Deep Dungeon

Can you please increase incentive to run Deep Dungeons by offering a daily reward?

I could either see it as:
- Duty Roulette: Deep Dungeon
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- Daily Achievement: Deep Dungeon

Currently Roulette:Leveling offers more experience and it would be nice to prepare for 4.0 with more jobs leveled.

Deep dungeon gives way too much exp as it is. If anything it should give less XP. Deep dungeon is the reason why we have such a bad players when they only level in there and cant handle their jobs. So no please.

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Originally Posted by Galborion

Deep dungeon gives way too much exp as it is. If anything it should give less XP. Deep dungeon is the reason why we have such a bad players when they only level in there and cant handle their jobs. So no please.

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Why not both?

Keep the XP rate in PotD as is, and raise the XP gained from other areas such as dungeons in stormblood, and offer a daily quest. Maybe you get a free accursed hoard for each floor per day.

Problem is that lowering the XP actually won't matter. PotD will always be the optimal levelling route no matter what the XP ratio is like for one key reason: party comp doesn't matter so DPS queues are fast, and well... the two new jobs are DPS.

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Originally Posted by Galborion

Deep dungeon gives way too much exp as it is. If anything it should give less XP. Deep dungeon is the reason why we have such a bad players when they only level in there and cant handle their jobs. So no please.

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This doesn't make sense.

The issue players have of being "bad" is because they don't understand their rotations. This is a flaw because all the skills aren't taught in a cohesive manner. We have (1) level stupid dungeons with incomplete rotations, or (2) have every skill thrown at your face at once and pray for the best.

The game doesn't start until cap level. Your suggestion is to literally punish players for being exposed to way too much or not enough.

Potd teaches you nothing mobs die too fast. Players get to 60 and have no clue on even the basics of their job. Sure, rotations change a bit at 60 for some jobs but when you have lvl 60 drgs that don't even know what the fak heavy thrust does, yea, it's on the player to learn but also blame potd. People are helpful in low lvl dungeons and willing to help and teach, but at 60? Gtfo. If dungeons are boring how is potd more fun? Oh it's not? It's just faster? Cool. Take alll that extra time you saved leveling up so much faster to learn your bloody rotations BEFORE YOU ENTER LVL 60 CONTENT. if everyone who lvld up in potd took the time to do that we wouldn't care how fast it is. Have at it. But nope. All you impatient people who want to level up fast don't want to take the time to learn either.

I suspect it's the OTHER people in POTD who aren't interested in spending 10 secs for someone to adjust their toolbar and learn as they go. Solo-ing potd is a good way to learn as you go, refine your rotations and techniques, etc.

I personally love learning classes in PotD but I also take the time to read what my skills do and figure out how everything works together, and if I can't figure it out look it up or ask (although the only one I had issues with was lvl 60 mnk, which isn't even lvl 60 yet). I feel it's also unfair to say people had to learn their classes before PotD tho. Before PotD happened I ran into lvl 60 healers that spammed 1 button, tanks that couldn't hold aggro, or dps that were just button mashing. Can't blame content for people not taking incentive to learn, that's on the player. However I don't really think PotD needs a bonus, I mean yeah it's kind of becoming old content now but it's still a valid way to lvl. So I guess I don't see the point in incentivizing it more?

Blaming Palace for bad players is nonsensical. Leveling didn't teach anyone how to play, regardless of how you do it. You learn by putting in effort yourself, and that's what people aren't doing.

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Originally Posted by Galborion

Deep dungeon gives way too much exp as it is. If anything it should give less XP. Deep dungeon is the reason why we have such a bad players when they only level in there and cant handle their jobs. So no please.

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Honestly I believe they should probably just lock the place down until you get at least one class/job to 60th... because having to spend time in a dungeon with someone that doesn't know their job by that point..... is something you will know and likely have felt keenly at some point or another...

It makes one much more likely to not make the mistake themselves... and to actually learn.

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Originally Posted by Silverquick

Honestly I believe they should probably just lock the place down until you get at least one class/job to 60th...

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Well, even if you were to level all the way to 60 via PotD on your first job, you'd have to do all the MSQ dungeons and trials on the way up anyway. That's Sastasha, Tam-Tara, Copperbell, Toto-Rak, Haukke, Brayflox, Quarn, Stone Vigil, Snowcloak, Keeper of the Lake, Sohm Al, Aery, Vault, Gubal and Aetherochemical. Solo duties and trials go extra.

Same goes if you were to level via FATEs. Honestly? I don't think that anyone who hasn't learned by that point can be made to learn.

If it's POTD's fault that some kinds of people can somehow get to 60 without bothering to read their action descriptions even once, shouldn't they reduce the exp from that and from levelling roulette and force people to level using slower, unsynced content? I mean, who learns anything about playing WAR at high level by tanking Tam Tara Normal daily for a month with a tiny portion of their eventual moveset unlocked?

I think the wrong thing is being blamed here. The lack of level-appropriate ways to get stronger and the lack of content which forces you to do something other than faceroll the keyboard until endgame are the true issues.

(Disclaimer: I have never used POTD to level in my life.)

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Originally Posted by Serilda

(Disclaimer: I have never used POTD to level in my life.)

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I have, I levelled NIN through PotD, and I did learn my job through it. PotD is actually much better for learning than fates because I started in floors 1-50 which built up my skills over time so I could at least see what was new even if I didn't use them, and then spamming 51+ allowed me to just practice endgame NIN before I got there. I'm not a great NIN by any stretch of the imagination but I can do dungeons and 24mans (and maybe stretch to Alex NM, though I missed the boat there with NIN), but I know all my skills and utilise them all the best I can. Honestly? I wouldn't have learned to use trick attack for a while if not for doing PotD 51+ getting me used to an endgame rotation.

I will admit this doesn't work for all jobs, BLM in particular is an awful learning experience in PotD, and I feel like SMN might be too.

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Originally Posted by Galborion

Deep dungeon gives way too much exp as it is. If anything it should give less XP. Deep dungeon is the reason why we have such a bad players when they only level in there and cant handle their jobs. So no please.

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yeah, good was the time before they released deep dungeon... everyone could play their class, high dps, tanks who used cooldowns, healers who were staying around... farm parties were actual farming and not failing... good memories...

I totally disagree here. A player, cannot just go into POTD grind to 60 and jump into content. They still need to do the MSQ in order to unlock the content. That means, They have to play the game all the way through, to get to end game content.

If they still one button spam, stand in teh fire for the mystical fire buff, then nothing we, or SE, is going to be able to do, to improve their quality of gaming.

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Originally Posted by Sylvaneste

I totally disagree here. A player, cannot just go into POTD grind to 60 and jump into content. They still need to do the MSQ in order to unlock the content. That means, They have to play the game all the way through, to get to end game content.

If they still one button spam, stand in teh fire for the mystical fire buff, then nothing we, or SE, is going to be able to do, to improve their quality of gaming.

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uhm, the MSQ doesn't teach you how to play at all. running from A to B to C and back to A and pressing through hundreds of message boxes is not really a proper way to learn your class ^^

but you are right with the other thing: people will only get better if THEY want to get better.

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Originally Posted by Tint

but you are right with the other thing: people will only get better if THEY want to get better.

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Which is why leveling method is completely irrelevant. The people that blame Palace for bad players are just grumpy.

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Originally Posted by Galborion

Deep dungeon gives way too much exp as it is. If anything it should give less XP. Deep dungeon is the reason why we have such a bad players when they only level in there and cant handle their jobs. So no please.

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Id say unsync is the reason not deep dungeon I have actually learned how to do some things in deep dungeon you dont learn anything in unsync content

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Originally Posted by bswpayton

Id say unsync is the reason not deep dungeon I have actually learned how to do some things in deep dungeon you dont learn anything in unsync content

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By the time you can unsync anything worth mentioning, you're already 50++ and should know your stuff >_>

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Originally Posted by Zojha

By the time you can unsync anything worth mentioning, you're already 50++ and should know your stuff >_>

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the problem is that you lvl way to fast, regardless of your lvling method. i was lvling my DRK in normal dungeons. i even started with sastasha to learn from low lvl, then i leveld my gladiatior to learn provoke and awarness. i was reading guids, had knowledge about all dungeons and knew what to expect from a tank. when i hit 50 i was going through all lvl 50 dungeons, just to get practice and learn the dungeons as tank. however, when i hit 60 i still had many problems with the class, mana management, using def cds right... it doesn't help that lvling and endgame dungeons are played completely different. and of course there are no tank swap mechanics at all in dungeons and the whole OT role doesn't exist.

Well I can understand why people don't like deep dungeon for learning jobs as it is nearly impossible. Everything dies too fast so you can't even begin to use a proper rotation let alone learn one as a new player to the job. I don't like doing potd that much and this is one of the reasons it drives me nuts not able to do my combos lol!