preparation for stormblood

so ive been thinking lately, with stormblood on the horizon, is it worth taking the time now to start working on getting together things to help get things going when the expansion hits?

im talking primarily:

commercial manuals
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collectables

manuals give 300k bonus exp per manual while gathering
and collectables give straight up exp varying depending on which you hand in.

ive done a bit of maths and I worked out that the difference between exp required to get from 1-50 and from 50-60 is roughly 2.8 x as much exp required. with 1-50 requiring 7,734,000 exp and 50-60 requiring and extra 21,736,800 exp

what's the likelihood that the difference between 50-60 and 60-70 will be the same?
meaning to get from 60-70 we'll need somewhere in the region of another 61 million exp.

my main worry is: are SE liable to nerf manuals and collectables to control the speed of levelling in the initial days of the expansion? did they do anything similar with the release of HW?

and is it worth farming these items or is it likely to be time wasted?

Back with heavensward for example initially leve 45 leves were an insanely great way to powerlevel, which was nerfed rather fast. Since Heavensward was the first expansion ever, its quite likely (and also generally a desirable thing) that SE learned 1 or 2 things from it.

So is it possible that they have current level 60 content give drastically decreased exp rewards past 60? Yes definitely. They did so in the past after all.
Is it likely? I'd say also yes here, considering they bothered at all to adjust 50 content exp for 50+ I'd say this is their desired behavior and only was overlooked initially in the first expansion.
Does making a thread on the official forum asking if it will be possible to cheese leveling in the expansion make it more likely they will remember to adjust it? Once again yes.

Manuals on the other hand should be a pretty safe bet, they work the same on level 1 or 59 after all and do not give all that great an advantage anyway. Personally I wouldn't really bothering hoarding collectibles since they take a ton of space anyway.

cheers for your reply. this was the kind of info i was looking for, I disagree somewhat on manuals not giving such a great advantage however.

commercial manuals give a 150% boost to exp gained and they now last for up to one hour rather than the 20 mins they used to last.
with the likely much increased exp per gather, it means you'll most likely get full use out of every manual. meaning if you have enough stocked up you can level all the way to 70 1.5x faster.
this is pretty significant imo

Well they only give the exp on the actual gathering attempt, at least from 50 to 60 the majority of exp came from collectible handins and partly leves for me which are not affected by the buff, and from 1-50 only from leves, same here. The exp boost for the actual gathering processes is a nice bonus without discussion but I'd say it made less than 1/4th of the actual gained exp in total, that's why I don't think they give that much of an advantage, but since they stack nicely and are easy to get having some of them ready won't hurt.

Squadron manuals seem like a better choice - +20% for 2 hours, uncapped vs +150% for 1 hour, capped at 300k.

You'll get that 300k in a matter of minutes, and it'll be worse the closer you get to 70, so unless you have several stacks of commercial manuals, I wouldn't bother.

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Originally Posted by ChloeGrace

Squadron manuals seem like a better choice - +20% for 2 hours, uncapped vs +150% for 1 hour, capped at 300k.

You'll get that 300k in a matter of minutes, and it'll be worse the closer you get to 70, so unless you have several stacks of commercial manuals, I wouldn't bother.

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They don't stack? The squadron manuals are really just another way to get the grade 3 FC buffs, so they don't stack with the FC buffs. But I would think they would stack with the commercial manuals.

I'm prepping myself by stockpiling collectables and using a spreadsheet to track it. I'm leaving towards a LARGER exp requirement to be safe for levels 61-70. Here is the spreadsheet I am using:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...gid=1867035076

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Originally Posted by Quenadarious

I'm prepping myself by stockpiling collectables and using a spreadsheet to track it. I'm leaving towards a LARGER exp requirement to be safe for levels 61-70. Here is the spreadsheet I am using:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...gid=1867035076

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Mostly like collectables from 3.0 items exp will be low to 0 because SE will try to make sure everyone dont rush from 60 to 70 on DoH amd DoL.

I'm gonna have at least one stack of Commercial manuals ready for sure. Even if I'll hit the 300k very quickly, the bonus is still enormous and I don't have anything to spend blue scrips on now anyway.

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Originally Posted by Ariane

They don't stack? The squadron manuals are really just another way to get the grade 3 FC buffs, so they don't stack with the FC buffs. But I would think they would stack with the commercial manuals.

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I am curious about this as well, if the Squadron manuals stack with Commerical and Company-Issued manuals?

I am aware that they do not stack with FC buffs.

I am going to fish for swimsuit fish.

Well, on my fisher alt....

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Originally Posted by Chevronone

I am curious about this as well, if the Squadron manuals stack with Commerical and Company-Issued manuals?

I am aware that they do not stack with FC buffs.

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No they don't.

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Originally Posted by Chevronone

I am curious about this as well, if the Squadron manuals stack with Commerical and Company-Issued manuals?

I am aware that they do not stack with FC buffs.

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I dont have a wheel stand yet. Am wondering if i should bother build one at all, if squadron manuals dont stack the FC buffs

At this point .. the only advantage to a wheel I can come up with would be if they institute better FC buffs than the Squadron buffs, and you need a wheel to charge them up. I'm expecting those to require a new, currently non-existent Wheel myself, so I'd recommend holding off on the wheel.

The time required to charge them up is also a huge negative for me.

I'm stocking up collectables as well.
Even if they lower EXP earning on them, they will still be very efficient. The blue/red scripts might be useful for mats or we can exchange them to the new token (Yellow Gathering Scripts) So in general they are not useless.

Squadron manuals are good to stoch up on regardless.

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Originally Posted by Quenadarious

I'm prepping myself by stockpiling collectables and using a spreadsheet to track it. I'm leaving towards a LARGER exp requirement to be safe for levels 61-70. Here is the spreadsheet I am using:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...gid=1867035076

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Originally Posted by Yeol

I'm stocking up collectables as well.
Even if they lower EXP earning on them, they will still be very efficient. The blue/red scripts might be useful for mats or we can exchange them to the new token (Yellow Gathering Scripts) So in general they are not useless.

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High chance that blue scrip collectables wont even be collectables on release, it all depends if they add yellow straight away. If they do red items will be the blue equivalent. I have been debating making them too, but at the same time would it not be better to risk stacking the red scrip items instead?

Not a dig BTW just wanted your opinion.

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Originally Posted by Masekase_Hurricane

High chance that blue scrip collectables wont even be collectables on release, it all depends if they add yellow straight away. If they do red items will be the blue equivalent. I have been debating making them too, but at the same time would it not be better to risk stacking the red scrip items instead?

Not a dig BTW just wanted your opinion.

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Hello, sorry for late reply. I am actually stacking Red collectables not Blue.

In the live letter they stated that Blue and Red Scrips are not going anywhere. Red Scrips weekly lock will be removed and there will be new Scrips added (Yellow Scrips).
I assume that the Yellow Scrips will have the weekly lock in Stormblood and Red Scrips will play the role of Blue Scrips.
Blue collectables will probably still be used to level DoL from level 50-60. Red Scrips were not used for leveling in Heavensward, they were used for gearing up.
Red collectables with weekly lock removed are gonna be used for leveling in Stromblood. I think they will add more items to gather than what we currently have now. I mostly want to boost my gatherers to 62-64 and collect new Red Scrips items that will be introduced in Stromblood. Yellow scrips will proabilby be used to gear DoL in Stromblood.

To me looks like:

- Red: HW.

- Yellow: SB.

BTW: none have a weekly cap and yes, blue scrip will be gone.

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A: Blue scrips will be retired in Patch 4.0. Red scrips will remain; however, the weekly restrictions will be removed. Additionally, we're adding a yellow scrips for level 70, and they won't have any weekly restrictions either. Therefore, the weekly restrictions for both Disciples of the Land and Hand will be no more.

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From: Live Letter

Thank-you for that, I followed a different translation which said something different. But since this is the official translation, we'll stick to it.

Im just going to level normally....thats what Im doing to do prepare haha Just doing my weeklies for reds and blues.

i'll finish my ironwork gathering meld now..not penta but enought to reach quite max stats.
hope to do some level easy on new expa.

I've done a buttload of prep work...I've gathered a number of red scrip collectables for all 3, crafted a ton of cordials and watered cordials, and I stocked up on tons of the manuals for both gathering and crafting. I've even been making food in prep so I can pop it for extra gathering points when needed. Can't wait!

It wouldn't surprise me if SE will have some kind of system in place that'll change a DoH/L's collectibles to 61-70 only, the moment that class hits 61. That, or the exp reward will be drastically reduced.

Similar to how lvl 45 leves were quickly nerfed to the ground for lvl 50 DoH/L classes.

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Originally Posted by Nezerius

It wouldn't surprise me if SE will have some kind of system in place that'll change a DoH/L's collectibles to 61-70 only, the moment that class hits 61. That, or the exp reward will be drastically reduced.

Similar to how lvl 45 were quickly nerfed to the ground for lvl 50 DoH/L classes.

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Almost 100% guarantee...unless they didn't learn their lesson (RE:Leves) from HW launch.

According to the patch notes, the xp is reduced. I think I recall it said capped at 10k?

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

According to the patch notes, the xp is reduced. I think I recall it said capped at 10k?

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Per the patch notes:
EXP that can be gained for players over Level 60 delivering collectable items under Level 60 to a House of Splendors Exchange is now be capped at 10,000.

I am downloading now, but I suspect the wording on that is off.

The way that is worded, level 60 collectible hand ins are unaffected. Something tells me that it should read "level 60 and below" rather than "under 60".

If you are 60 anything from HW give you 10k xp.