Why AFK players can't be kicked from Diadem?

There's someone on Chaos who AFKs every instance from start near Mhachi Portal, but moves to pick up free mission reward then leaves. Reports DO NOT work because he continues doing it every day.
Why the game is protecting this behaviour by not allowing to votekick such players and/or suspending them?

It's working the way it's designed to. AFK'ing in afkadumb is the new raiding. Blame SE for that complete mess.

Probably because there is no system to replace missing players in the Diadem like there is in dungeons/alliance raids. They probably removed the vote kick feature from Diadem to avoid kicking abuse. Can you imagine having the Emergency Mission pop and then getting randomly kicked because somebody wanted to invite their friend in instead?

Yeah it sucks that they are AFK'ing there; but really it's just fates that you are doing. It's not like you need all 8 people.

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Originally Posted by SuperZay

There's someone on Chaos who AFKs every instance from start near Mhachi Portal, but moves to pick up free mission reward. Reports DO NOT work because he continues doing it every day.
Why the game is protecting this behaviour by not allowing to votekick such players and/or suspending them?

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Had a group yesterday where 2 people did this. No interest in the mission or the rewards, so much to the point of literally saying, "Isn't the only reason to do this the EM?" I left at that point. This is why we can't have decent cooperative content, because some people won't do anything cooperatively unless it benefits them in the form of some shiny, and even then they'll make it the worst experience possible on the way there.

How rude!
You people should give him some company. Leaving him there all alone. ='(

Either they should add something that tracks participation or make it possible to kick until the mission objectives are done. After that, turn it off since people just do w/e. If emergency pops at any point turn the vote kick off.

If kicked before the objectives are done, it should reset the 30 min entry cooldown and maybe refund the item.

I don't mind people afking in diadem, i do it myself.
But people should really do that in a premade party.

Doing it in a random duty finder party is kind of disrespectful and those people should be shunned.

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Originally Posted by ShinMetsu

I don't mind people afking in diadem, i do it myself.
But people should really do that in a premade party.

Doing it in a random duty finder party is kind of disrespectful and those people should be shunned.

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Yep, basically the rest of us are working for free to cap his weekly tomestones and give him free materia for AFKing.

I'd rather them afk than straight up leave. The one time I had an emergency mission pop the only people left in my group was myself as a white mage and an AST. It went as well as you'd expect it to.

Working as intended.

If I go into Diadem and want to do boss fates for minion drops then deal with it.

As far as I'm concerned if EM pops you can go into that with 7 people, I'm not interested in that content*, nor do I have any obligation to join it. Gonna go gathering while you wipe in there.
Sry, the 280 bait doesn't work on me.


*Grand Scale content without group coordination, just X groups doing their own thing. You can't even label the up to 9 groups in there and talk about strategy (like 'Group A secures the southern part, B gets the western thing down, C only has one tank, they should do [x] and one of those 4 healers in D, can you keep an eye on group E, they only have one healer.').
You can't even form an alliance with at least 3 groups.

Nada, 9 groups, which you can't even distinguish, randomly jumping in. Maybe a group says which teleporter they'll use, but that's all about coordination.
Hunts with deadly mechanics, wow, mindblowing.



You actually can join as an alliance, but:
"Please note that while players may enter the Diadem as an alliance, upon entering, the group will not be treated as an alliance, but as three separate parties."

That's more than stupid design.

AFK is allowed as long as main 3 missions have been completed. GM's have already commented on this :/

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Originally Posted by ffchampion

AFK is allowed as long as main 3 missions have been completed. GM's have already commented on this :/

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He AFKs right from the start when we are doing main missions.

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Originally Posted by SuperZay

He AFKs right from the start when we are doing main missions.

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Those people you can report to GM's

We reported him (several full parties) but he still ques and doing it so obviously it does not work.

Working as intended. Apparently SE doesn't care about the quality of Diadem, just that people run it.

That's why they out a near impossible to get 280 weapon in there, so people can participate in Diadem, whether they're having fun or not

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Originally Posted by SuperZay

We reported him (several full parties) but he still ques and doing it so obviously it does not work.

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it can sometimes take days/weeks for a GM to respond depending on how busy they are unfortunately

This is becoming a serious problem. I don't mind if someone needs to afk but to do it from the start and somehow not get booted due to inactivity is wrong. You should have kicking rights until mission is complete or no rewards if you don't help with missions.

People shouldn't be allowed to afk before the main objectives are done, hell it doesnt even let you switch to gatherer until the main objectives are done.

Not doing the main objectives should count as refusing to participate in the duty.

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Originally Posted by SuperZay

We reported him (several full parties) but he still ques and doing it so obviously it does not work.

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Go premade and never worry about him, or people with different objectives than your own, again.

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Originally Posted by SuperZay

We reported him (several full parties) but he still ques and doing it so obviously it does not work.

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As long as they have helped complete the required mission, there's not much the GMs can do about it. Their participation in anything beyond the initial mission will likely be considered optional. You'll see the same lazyness in 24-man raids (although much harder to recognize if you aren't using a parser), 8-man raids and trials and 4-man dungeons. You get people who are lazy and want to be carried through the content until they get what they want. In 4-man dungeons, it's easy to recognize and kick. In 8-man dungeons and trials it's a bit harder; but you can still recognize it w/o using ACT. In 24-man dungeons it's nearly impossible to recognize w/o using ACT unless they drop after getting their loot for the week.

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Originally Posted by Llus

Yes, they remove vote kick from Diadem 1 shortly after it was released in an emergency patch (IIRC) due to vote kicking people gathering after the missions were completed. The whole gathering + killing system was a complete failure from the start as you had competing objectives: people wanting to farm for gear and people wanting to farm for materials.

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Diadem 1.0 launched without vote dismiss and without a way to add players in progress, it wasn't removed.

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Originally Posted by alimdia

Diadem 1.0 launched without vote dismiss and without a way to add players in progress, it wasn't removed.

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My bad then, I thought it was added later.

It's his playstyle. Don't tell him how to play his class.

OP is mainly talking about leeching during the main objectives and mission where people are getting completion rewards for contributing nothing and having no way to remove said leechers.

I'm pretty sure if I tried that in any other duty and people noticed I would be kicked.

kind of sad to think that this is supposed to be the "new and better" diadem but still lacks basic features such as a vote kick. SE continues to fascinate me with their lack of foresight sometimes. Never happened to me but I ran it in the first week before stopping. However my predictions for diadem are currently on track. Two more weeks before its reduced to nothing outside of occasional peak hours once everyone has their mounts and or glamour. I myself have stopped with they fury and simply focused on just gathering but even I wrapped that up last week. The laziness of some people... It's one thing to min/max but to exploit?

The real question is why did they let you AFK at all? You don't see people AFK in dungeons(often), why is that? Because incentives. This just doesn't have that once you finish the main mission.

If you afk in diadem then you're part of the problem.

Diadem 1.0 : SE thought there would be no problem between players, but it's happened with : Gatherers VS Fighters.
Diadem 2.0 : SE fixed the last problem, and thought it would be okay this time, but it is not with : Fighters active VS Fighters passive.

Where was that guy from the other thread saying the RNG nature of the i280 means it takes more dedication? He really ought to see this thread.

This also highly supports previous statements that if given a hard road and an easy road to a great reward, people are going to choose the easy road 9 times out of 10. That doesn't make someone intentionally taking advantage of the system okay. Not one bit. But if SE lacked the foresight to see this, well, I guess we'll all be back complaining about it if/when it happens again in 4.1. . .

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Originally Posted by Marxam

kind of sad to think that this is supposed to be the "new and better" diadem but still lacks basic features such as a vote kick.

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The design of it makes it hard to vote kick though. You can't obtain new members if you kick one out so honestly it comes down to, it's rather sad that someone who pays the sub and queue up for content, is content(I hate the English language) with being afk rather than actually playing and being active. You get more done being active and yet they do nothing. If you want to fight afkers, just blacklist them after the encounter and you should no longer queue up with them.

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Originally Posted by RLofOBFL

The real question is why did they let you AFK at all? You don't see people AFK in dungeons(often), why is that? Because incentives. This just doesn't have that once you finish the main mission.

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I've gotten some nice 265 gear with good stats for my other jobs from lockboxes I've found in coffers after completing the missions and turning those initial ones in. Not the best gear, but better than my Prototype Alex gear in some cases so it can still have incentives after the basin mission if you're leveling more than 2 or 3 classes to 60.