noob perspective: main scenario dungeons. they are bad.

why? because of toxicity try-hard farmers.

the main scenario dungeons themselves great actually, until that one try-hard farmer demands that the noobs, of whom is first experiencing the dungeons, skip the cut-scenes.

obviously, this had happened to me through my first playthrough of one of the major main scenario dungeons. these particular farmers new how to exploit enemy awareness to skip most of the levels of the dungeon, and presumed to make the demands as mentioned above to the noobs.

it was my first time playing the dungeon, i had no idea what i was doing, and apparently the try-hard taking lead was already at the first boss. this gave a bad impression to the story and the dungeon itself: everything was going too fast, and i could not grasp the situation. eventually, i did rent an inn, and watched the cut-scenes from there.

just wish there were a single player version of the dungeons that can only be finished once.

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Originally Posted by Mysticdraggon

why? because of toxicity try-hard farmers.

the main scenario dungeons themselves great actually, until that one try-hard farmer demands that the noobs, of whom is first experiencing the dungeons, skip the cut-scenes.

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Welcome to ff 14 , so many people have had this same experience, just wait til you start doing 24 mans or trails. I dont know where I heard this community was so nice and cool because its totally not true, this is from experiences and observations. But it gets worse thats why alot of players dont even participate in most of the content in the game because of the toxic community.

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Originally Posted by bswpayton

Welcome to ff 14 , so many people have had this same experience, just wait til you start doing 24 mans or trails. I dont know where I heard this community was so nice and cool because its totally not true, this is from experiences and observations. But it gets worse thats why alot of players dont even participate in most of the content in the game because of the toxic community.

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i fully understand, but that does not mean the devs should not try and make it better for players first expiriencing the game.

for example, the suggestion to make single player dungeons that can be completed only once. these dungeons would have weaker enemies and puzzle reworks that only require one player.

this would allow noobs to experience the dungeons by their own pace, then visit the online dungeons again fully prepared.

this discussion should not be settled by simple acceptance that try-hard speed-runners ruin the game's first impressions.

If you want to experience the cut-scenes during the dungeon you can get your FC members to help you out. In 4-man dungeons watching cut-scenes isn't as much an issue, but some people won't want to wait and may kick you. For 24-man raids and 8-man raids expect to be able to watch the first cut-scene then nothing else unless you're running with your FC. This has been my experience since 2.3 and you get used to it and will start doing the same to other noobs as you're grinding out your tomes for the week. Then that noob will come to the forums and complain about toxic try-hard farmers and you can chuckle because you had that same experience 99.99% of the other players have had.

Wait until you get to the level 50 MSQ Dungeons. They will start the boss fights before you even have a chance to skip the cutscene then you'll get locked out of every fight. It was highly frustrating.

If I want to watch the cutscenes I watch them. If that means I get locked out of a boss fight that's too bad for the rest of them. I get to go get a drink or go to the bathroom while I wait for them to either wipe without me or finish it. It's their loss, not so much yours. Though, when I was new I took it upon myself to inform my team I would be watching the CS no buts about it.

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Originally Posted by Mysticdraggon

i fully understand, but that does not mean the devs should not try and make it better for players first expiriencing the game.

for example, the suggestion to make single player dungeons that can be completed only once. these dungeons would have weaker enemies and puzzle reworks that only require one player.

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I totally agree with you this also was my very first post and I really do think it ruined alot of players gaming experience. Im assuming your speaking of stone vigil, if your level 47 atm, those cut scenes are so short its really no reason for anyone to be that rude and rush someone but it sucks that it happens.

To be fair this has been a thing since launch. Even in the second week of the official ARR launch people were being asked or told to skip the CS. The main reason is because SE put sooooo many cs into these dungeons and long ones at that. So it can sometimes tag on an extra 20 minutes to a dungeon which is absolutely absurd to begin with.

The first few times you go through the dungeon its fine but when you are running it the 50th 100th or 1000th time you are like....nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo lol

Its the same with the cs before primal fights for instance. Sometimes, if people are reading slow it can easily take longer than the fight itself. Like the leviathan cs, omg se what were you thinking.

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Originally Posted by bswpayton

I totally agree with you this also was my very first post and I really do think it ruined alot of players gaming experience. Im assuming your speaking of stone vigil, if your level 47 atm, those cut scenes are so short its really no reason for anyone to be that rude and rush someone but it sucks that it happens.

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nah, The Castrum Meridianum and The Praetorium. i know my profile says 47 NIN, but in real time im 52 NIN. both are understandably larger parties, but the aurgument still stands.

It was poor design decision on SE's part to put multiple story related cut scenes throughout the dungeon. They've since acknowledged the issue and have placed all important cut scenes at the end of the dungeons to accommodate newer players.

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Originally Posted by Deathgiver

They've since acknowledged the issue and have placed all important cut scenes at the end of the dungeons to accommodate newer players.

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it may have been a great solution to start in order to help noobs follow up with the main story, yet as a noob, here i am.

To be fair, the cutscenes in the 2 MSQ dungeons take together around 40 minutes (castrum 10 and praetorium 30). Most people don't wait for someone who watches the cutscenes and i fully understand that because if the roulette puts you into praetorium you waste 30 minutes while waiting, but to kick people because of that is just stupid because these "friendly" people kick the person with bonus.

SE designed these MSQ dungeons badly and they changed it in future dungeons.

Here the cutscenes if you want to see them:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KSHp4V5fVA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EllMC0Y7CRY

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Originally Posted by Llus

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That's great and all for later content in the game, where new players are probably gonna have found themselves a FC/Linkshell/Group of friends to settle in with(Maybe).
But for early dungeons in the game, mostly post 40-50 ones who knows, maybe those new players are still mainly on their own in the game and haven't really made any connections with others. Not everyone starts this game with friends waiting for them already.
Personally I always skipped cutscenes because I wanted to get right to the dungeon, but for early level dungeons like that I think it's a bit much to be wanting the newbies to skip it all.

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Originally Posted by Ilan

To be fair, the cutscenes in the 2 MSQ dungeons take together around 40 minutes (castrum 10 and praetorium 30). Most people don't wait for someone who watches the cutscenes and i fully understand that because if the roulette puts you into praetorium you waste 30 minutes while waiting, but to kick people because of that is just stupid because these "friendly" people kick the person with bonus.

SE designed these MSQ dungeons badly and they changed it in future dungeons.

Here the cutscenes if you want to see them:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KSHp4V5fVA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EllMC0Y7CRY

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i'm already able to see the cut-scenes via Inn journal, but thanks anyway.

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Originally Posted by DynamoAce

That's great and all for later content in the game, where new players are probably gonna have found themselves a FC/Linkshell/Group of friends to settle in with(Maybe).
But for early dungeons in the game, mostly post 40-50 ones who knows, maybe those new players are still mainly on their own in the game and haven't really made any connections with others. Not everyone starts this game with friends waiting for them already.
Personally I always skipped cutscenes because I wanted to get right to the dungeon, but for early level dungeons like that I think it's a bit much to be wanting the newbies to skip it all.

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I wouldn't consider castrum and praetorum "early" dungeons when you can't access them until you've hit level 50 (the cap in ARR) and that these are the first poetics grinding dungeons you get. If you don't have an FC by the time you hit level 50, you'll likely be running solo for the rest of your time here or jumping FCs. most sprouts will have received at least one FC invite within their first day of playing the game (if they're not on the trial), even on JP servers as an english speaker you should have an FC invite by the time you're level 30. Joining an FC isn't a commitment either, so when you get an invite - ask the person about the FC and if they're into the same things as you; then join them. If it's not a fit, leave. Really, these two MSQ dungeons are the only ones that have this problem: 1.) Cut-scenes after every pack of mobs, 2.) Easily skippable/burnable mobs, 3.) poetics grinding made easy (get's you gear that lasts until around level 55)

If you still aren't in an FC by the time you hit level 50 and still want to watch cutscenes while running content, put up a PF - there is an option for "Story-focused, no cutscene skipping" and a comment area to add details. Better yet, put up a PF asking for a story-focused FC.

I see so many complaints about these 2 dungeons but like... My first run was really fun. We had this super nice tank that told everyone to stfu or get out if they were gonna rush because there was 4 newbies in the party (one was the other tank). Then we just puttered along and she taught us how to do it properly (before we knew farming it for poetics was a thing lol).

Also last time I ran one (think it was castrum...). PLD was like "hi, sorry I'm new I dunno what's happening." And suddenly WAR stops dead on the first mob, says "PLD MTs." and everyone just went at the newbie's pace after that. Waited for cutscenes and everything. <3

So yeah, there are a lot of impatient/cruel people in this game, but I like to remember runs like these to remind me why I still love the community. :3

As a tank, I skip cutscenes even if I have never seen them, but I will wait if someone else in my DF group wants to watch them.

But to anyone bummed about missing cutscenes - in game, go to Inn, get a room and in the room, go to the Unending Journey book. Every cutscene you could have seen up to that point can be watched there. Out of game, search it on YT.

Castrum Meridianum and Praetorium are bad, yeah. I've seen people on Reddit actually consider dropping the game because of the terrible experience newbies get in there. I think they should be turned into single-player instances - herding newbies onto PF, or forcing everyone to watch the cutscenes, or encouraging rouletting players to let newbies take there time won't work. It might mitigate the problem somewhat, but I think people deserve a grand ending to the ARR story that isn't ruined by speedrunning farmers. This ain't that.

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Oh my gosh I said "post" 40-50....I meant 'pre' X_X My bad for the confusion, that's what I get for trying to do things half asleep.