A Idea for Higher Quantity Synths

Going through the "I made this" achievements for all my crafting classes really makes me with we had the ability to craft more than QTY 1 of things like nuggets, threads, ingots, etc.... and it got me thinking of ideas that wouldn't trivialize the process(maybe already thought of)

My suggestion would be that you simply multiply everything about the craft. So if a craft takes 98 progress and 400 quality, crafting 10 of that item would require 980 progress and 4000 quality to complete/HQ the craft.

I'm not sure if I understand what you mean by "simply multiply everything about the craft"... Are you referring to new items should be 10x harder? Or do you mean an achievement should be counting how much progress and how much quality we have done in our entire career? Sorry, I'm quite lost.

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Originally Posted by Caimie_Tsukino

I'm not sure if I understand what you mean by "simply multiply everything about the craft"... Are you referring to new items should be 10x harder? Or do you mean an achievement should be counting how much progress and how much quality we have done in our entire career? Sorry, I'm quite lost.

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His suggestion takes the progress/quality/materials from one craft, and multiplies it based on how many of the item he wants crafted.

Using Spruce Lumber as an example, it requires 97 progress and 2646 quality to HQ. Multiplied by 10, that'd be 970 progress and 26460 quality. If he were to finish a synthesis with the second pair of numbers, he'd get a batch of 10 HQ Spruce Lumber.

I sort of miss the 1.0 thing where mh tool was used if you wanted to try and hq, and oh was used if you wanted to make multiples of an item.

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Originally Posted by Nezerius

His suggestion takes the progress/quality/materials from one craft, and multiplies it based on how many of the item he wants crafted.

Using Spruce Lumber as an example, it requires 97 progress and 2646 quality to HQ. Multiplied by 10, that'd be 970 progress and 26460 quality. If he were to finish a synthesis with the second pair of numbers, he'd get a batch of 10 HQ Spruce Lumber.

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oh ic... but what will happen to durability then? 10x durab as well? But if the item is like 8000 quality, then 10x will be 80,000 quality... we can't possibly push that much quality with the limited CP we have, even if extra durab is given to us.

Not really needed, not with the (laughably named) Quick Synthesis.

What you should be pushing for, TC, is for Quick Synthesis to be useable on all recipes, or at least all recipes that make something used in another recipe.

Quick synthesis has a failure rate despite the fact you can't fail the synth. Couple that with the slow rate is why I was even thinking about this issue.

Make the quality increase to a ridiculous value is meant to balance out the benefit of being able to make more then one.

I think you have to be very careful when it comes to increasing the yield on a craft as it's probably set that way for balance reasons. If you think about it, when it comes to quickly producing crafted materials, it's the material sellers that really benefit and are the ones that are probably clamoring for it the most. It isn't simply a matter of convenience anymore but rather a question of how much product that they can produce per unit time. The motive here would be an increase in sales due to greater availability of their product.

I've completed and sold thousands of 3* and 4* end game crafts in ARR and HW and I know for sure that the quick synth speed ultimately isn't what bogs down those crafts. It's the time it takes to NQ the crafted materials that you can't quick synth. While slow, the quick synth speed is acceptable because you aren't crafting stacks of 99 materials (the ones that you can quick synth) at a time. Nearly half of your time is spent NQing crafted 3* or 4* materials and most of the remaining half is spent HQing the final product. I'd have a field day if those 3* and 4* crafted materials could be produced as quickly as a quick synthed material.

For things like achievements, it's a one time exercise anyways and you can probably sell the crafted goods too. I don't think it would be worthwhile to break the balance over that.

Indeed. Speed up synth process and all you will achieve is to lower the final profit.

You will raise the price of the materials (because the demand for those will go up due to increased quantities) and lower the price on the final product (because there will be more of those on the MB - more competition)

The only people who would benefit would be the gatherers.

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Originally Posted by craized

Indeed. Speed up synth process and all you will achieve is to lower the final profit.

You will raise the price of the materials (because the demand for those will go up due to increased quantities) and lower the price on the final product (because there will be more of those on the MB - more competition)

The only people who would benefit would be the gatherers.

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That's what I would expect in the long run on smaller servers at least. It's going to differ depending on your economy, but it happened when the yield on food increased by 3x. Initially, crafters could sell for much higher profits than before. But eventually, the price of the gathered materials became incredibly high (ie. double or even tripling of prices; duskbornes actually shot up 10x but there could have been other factors there).

I believe the whole idea behind the "I made this" achievements is that you do get to the required number crafting things one by one. If you were to multiply the yield of a craft by x amount, it would then also make sense to multiply the number of synths needed by the same amount in order to get the achievement, and we're right back to where we are now.

If the issue is time vs yield, I don't see how it will reduce it much if at all. You still have to the gather the same amount of base materials, and the amount of time it will take to increase progress and quality will be equal, if not greater than it would be to craft them one by one since were talking about an exponential amount of steps to complete the synthesis, each of which can come to a crossroads decision, adding time.

For intermediate mats like threads, cloths, nuggets, leathers, ingots etc. acquiring the base materials is where the ease comes in for you to make multiples, then it is all about getting the required craftsmanship and control to quick synth them. Removing the decision making process with quick synth will save you the most amount of time throughout your overall career as a crafter.

Gunnar, why not use macros?

I have macros to HQ 35 durability materials. For NQ I rapid synth. Not near as quick as your batch processing idea but in game at present.

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Originally Posted by Shadygrove

Gunnar, why not use macros?

I have macros to HQ 35 durability materials. For NQ I rapid synth. Not near as quick as your batch processing idea but in game at present.

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Macros are great and I use them but in this case I don't really need the items to be HQ I just need 40 ingots/threads/nuggets etc. The only thing changing between crafting them one by one and in bulk would be having to go through all the selections and extra animations.

It was just a thought not married to the idea. Seems the general consensus is that it would muck up the market and is unecessary.

Thanks for the discussion peeps