diadem still needs to be fixed

everyone knows how "bad" is the ilvl 280 weapon, but i am not getting on that

i personally think what diadem haven't been fixed because is basically the same thing, but more "flashy", and once you done whit the mission(seriously, why we can only do one mission, why we can't do more of them for more rewards?) is either do the rare emergency mission(if it happens) or do fates basically, what to me is basically bad, because is the same thing of before, the only difference between diadem 1.0 and diadem 2.0 is what you need to change of place instead of farm the same spot

personally i think what they need to do is give more missions to do on the same session, unique activities what are exclusive of diadem, make it less "hunts", make it less "do fates" and make it more "exploratory", because right now, it looks more like we are hunting and less "exploring", example: find the nest of x creature instead of "kill x creature"

I was also getting kinda bored after the first and only diadem 2.0 thing I did today. Yippie, we get to. . .spam fates. Meh.

Whoever tough FATES was a good idea should be fired.


I went in got the pegasus minion. Now i will never touch it again. The bronto minion market will crash very soon and ill buy it then. Somebody screws up their listing of Hunter Hawk so i got it for super cheap.

I like it enough. Just needs some fixes to rough edges.

(1) Make it very clear to people that Fury queue is hunting, Matron queue is gathering. Lots of people have been entering Matron expecting to battle because they don't read patch notes. Why does it even force you to enter Matron as a battle class, when the objective is to gather there and you can switch as soon as you enter in that mode.

(2) When the objective is to deliver items to the pilot at the bounty, the game should mark him with an icon, and don't hide item submission under Small Talk option. Just a minor thing to make it more clear. Also when you have an objective to defeat certain enemies, it should mark those with icons, just like monsters needed for a quest or hunt bill would be marked in field zones.

(3) When Emergency Mission is active, the mhachi gate should be highlighted very clearly in a bold color on all players maps and a directional arrow pointing towards it on the minimap. Again just to make things clear to people so we don't have to explain where to go over and over to new players. And once inside, there shouldn't be a condition where enemies start hitting people for 40K HP and killing us in one hit. Be reasonable to uncoordinated, randomly matched groups. It's ok to be difficult, but not impossible to recover if people screw up and enemies start running wild.

for your point 3 - if it was any easier then it wouldn't drop i280 weapons. and then no one would do it

Someone at SE heard players didn't like "standing in 1 area mindlessly killing mobs" and thought it was the "standing in 1 area" part we hated.

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Whoever tough FATES was a good idea should be fired.


I went in got the pegasus minion. Now i will never touch it again. The bronto minion market will crash very soon and ill buy it then. Somebody screws up their listing of Hunter Hawk so i got it for super cheap.

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It's quite easy to jump on the Fate hate bandwagon. Did you even counted how many Fates you did while going in? And how long did it take to complete the main group mission?
You only do like 6 to 8 Fates, and finishing the mission takes something like 15 to 20 minutes. Besides, these Fates take around 2 minutes to complete individualy, and the mobs are quite varied in power, going from soloable ones to very big ones.
You're basically just hating because there's "Fate" written on them, and that's it.

My biggest issue now is that if you live or work in a time zone on your server which isn't the peak hours it is impossible to do the emergency mission. It would be really nice if we could have this scaled to the amount of players within the zone so that we're not left out of content.

Honestly, think people need to play around with it for a month before they assume they've found everything. People are acting as if what they've seen is everything and yet, can anyone explain the random Pegasus that spawns which you can't target and then disappears after a set of time? Has anyone tried to traverse the two caves with 1 part on each side to see if farming in those locations at the same time triggers anything special?

Has anyone bothered to recognize that there seems to be a prey/predator system within Diadem, that certain mobs will actually attack one another if they get to close to their territory? That maybe rather than going to the closest FATE, that you should pay attention to which FATE you are going to and control the ecosystem in an attempt to influence what spawns and potentially reveal new mob pops that could potentially lead to other boss FATEs?

It's not the developers fault that people have the mentality of blindly doing FATEs and not reading the flavor text or potentially important text that might offer some hints as to how FATEs influence the area. Experiment and play around with it before you assume you know everything about it. The only reason why people are having a "FATE" grind is because they aren't experimenting or seeing for themselves if focusing on certain FATEs while ignoring others influence the mob difficulty/spawns within each island.

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My biggest issue now is that if you live or work in a time zone on your server which isn't the peak hours it is impossible to do the emergency mission. It would be really nice if we could have this scaled to the amount of players within the zone so that we're not left out of content.

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The scaling should also happen for when inevitably people stop coming. I quite enjoy the new Diadem and I know it's not going to be popular forever; I want to still be able to do it if there's not enough people around.

@Airget

If diadem had such complexities, then SE would have been bragging about it. And they would have had some kind of message saying that such things are possible when you enter the diadem. I'm sorry, but FFXIV havn't had anything complex even near to be similar to what you're talking about. The Pegasus is probably just something that they added cause it looks "nice and magical" trying to make the place feel more alive than it actually is. Same thing with the predator/prey mobs, I highly doubt that you can change their spawnpatters, and they're just scripted to patrol certain paths and attacking each other if not killed. It's just there to make the place feel more alive, it's nice but superficial.

I'm not sure who oversees the design of the Diadem, but they really need look up the definition of 'explore'... Diadem should be full of secrets, random spawns, random chests, even random islands with random caves etc., and none of it should be marked on the map; i.e, it should be worth EXPLORING. It should also be 100% completable with no more than a full party, and most mobs should be killable by 2-3 well geared players in a timely fashion.

As for rewards, Diadem typically takes 30-60 minutes, which is longer than a dungeon run, so why not similar rewards to dungeons (as an alternative to endlessly doing 'Expert')? They could also make it drop Anima quest items, give bonus light, etc. (as a 'test' for Eureka) and / or hunt tokens for rare spawns. In short, it should be FUN and rewarding for small groups, not a mindless grind that people are bribed into with lottery weapons and only rewarding for massive zergs.

Oh boy....where do I even begin?

I'm honestly not sure what is worse. The fact that this "new" Diadem is only slightly better (at times even worse) than the old Diadem or the fact that some people, regardless of whether or not they are part of the casual faction, the hardcore faction or the idgaf faction, try to defend this kind of bs.

Trust me when I say I'm one of the biggest fanboys of this game. I have been a part of pretty much every community within this game. I have been part of the hardcore community for a while, I have been a filthy casual, I have been a roleplayer and glamour fanatic.

So please, no matter what kind of community you're a part of, stop defending this bad content just because you want to point your fingers at raiders. People that defend and whiteknights this content might be responsible for more bad content in the future.

Do you really want to make this game bad? There is next to no changes in the new diadem. Instead of slaying IV or V ranks constantly to spawn big mobs you're now doing FATE's instead. But guess what? 99.9% of these FATE's consists of slaying monsters. HOLY GUACAMOLY SUCH CHANGE.

"But...you have to do the exploratory mission...that is totally different". Wow. Such difference. Let's see what you have to do in this exploratory missions. Maybe kill some sort of boss with interesting mechanics? Maybe explore unknown caves with booby traps? Or how about....OH WAIT YOU JUST KILL TRASH MOBS! WOW. SUCH GOOD GAME DESIGN.

Are you guys for real? Is this really the kind of content you want? You might as well just pay 10 bucks each month to stare at a wall.

And don't even get me started on the 280 weapon. I wouldn't even care if there was a reliable way to get it so that people at least have a chance to also get BiS. Instead it's an rng into rng into rng shitfest where some people will go in once and get their weapon while others will have to run this shitshow 1000 times in a row without getting anything out of it.

The fact that people defend anything about this literally makes me lose hope in humanity. Am I really living on the same planet as these people are?

Sincerely,

A pissed off customer that, after subbing for over 3 years straight, considers unsubbing for the first time.

@Fate_Testarossa

Absolutely agree... Diadem and the 280 weapons taken on their own aren't that much of an issue (they're still pretty bad, but you can mostly ignore them), it's more that the developers even think that this sort of 'content' (i.e. massive RNG, forced FATE grinds, and BiS lottery weapons) are in any way good, or even acceptable. They aren't.

Yoshi-P has used the excuse several times that they want to get content 'right' before they put it into the game, and I couldn't agree more... I just really wish they would take that advice when it comes to the Diadem. I know it was 'promised', but honestly the game was better off before it, better off when it was removed, and would have been better off if they had just abandon it.

Edit: I have already cancelled my subscription due to these, and previous, terrible design decisions. I still have 89 days of game time left, but their response to this issue (which is wholly lacking so far) will determine if the cancellation is permanent, as I have no desire to play an MMO filled with boring grinds, crazy RNG, and BiS gear given out by lottery.

Fill Diadem with fates that give you absolutely no incentive to actually complete them outside of the first mission, then add a 280 weapon in to guarantee people feel obligated to farm it. Yep, they have no idea what to do with Diadem.

I like how Yoshi told us to not worry about the 280 weapon and "have fun" with the Diadem content.
Yet outside of spamming fates for little reward there is no content to do!.

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Whoever tough FATES was a good idea should be fired.


I went in got the pegasus minion. Now i will never touch it again. The bronto minion market will crash very soon and ill buy it then. Somebody screws up their listing of Hunter Hawk so i got it for super cheap.

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Same, got Peg and out...

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So please, no matter what kind of community you're a part of, stop defending this bad content just because you want to point your fingers at raiders. People that defend and whiteknights this content might be responsible for more bad content in the future.

Do you really want to make this game bad? There is next to no changes in the new diadem. Instead of slaying IV or V ranks constantly to spawn big mobs you're now doing FATE's instead. But guess what? 99.9% of these FATE's consists of slaying monsters. HOLY GUACAMOLY SUCH CHANGE.

"But...you have to do the exploratory mission...that is totally different". Wow. Such difference. Let's see what you have to do in this exploratory missions. Maybe kill some sort of boss with interesting mechanics? Maybe explore unknown caves with booby traps? Or how about....OH WAIT YOU JUST KILL TRASH MOBS! WOW. SUCH GOOD GAME DESIGN.

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Exactly this. Diadem did not change at all. Diadem 2.0 is the same as Diadem 1.0, except presented differently.
People who said they hated the old Diadem but like this "new one" are, practically b*llsh*tt*ng.
All they did was turn a giant FATE-like area into an area with actual FATEs, and the occasional chance to spawn a 15m Boss-FATE-chain-like quest.