Only "content" we getting 1.20 is moogle fight?

Can someone confirm this? Might as well check back in at 1.21 if this is the case.

Do you read the letters of the producer? There's a nice little chart.

i think the biggest change in 1.20 won't be content. its a new battle system, new player search, and new market system all of which were needed

Not much content per say, but there are plenty of changes to keep you busy. The classes will be practically entirely new, so unless you want to be behind the learning curve in 1.21, then you should be learning how to play your class all over again.

I can't imagine they'll be changing LNC that much. Only other class I care about is MRD and I don't want to play it because it's a tank essentially.

Go read the thread on the changes and you will realise what you just said is really very foolish.

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I can't imagine they'll be changing LNC that much. Only other class I care about is MRD and I don't want to play it because it's a tank essentially.

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cool story

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Go read the thread on the changes and you will realise what you just said is really very foolish.

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yeah, these "i'm too lazy to read, so here's a complaint thread with my baseless assumptions and knee-jerk reactions" threads never get old, do they?

complete revamp of battle system, but maybe it won't be that different lol

1.20 is a groundwork patch and not a content patch. 1.21 is looking more like the content patch given what's been revealed to us so far. Jobs, new raids, hamlet defense, etc.

1.20 is a lot of improvements to the game overall but not really a patch that adds additional content. That is yet to come in 1.21 it looks like.

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cool story



yeah, these "i'm too lazy to read, so here's a complaint thread with my baseless assumptions and knee-jerk reactions" threads never get old, do they?

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Way to be a dick for no reason... I was just asking a simple question... Anyways, I don't see the big change for LNC anyway. All there doing is making it more of a DD and giving it combos.

Yes, as it had been said, 1.20 is not a content patch, is the entire class ability revamp along with player search and AH not good enough for you?

Having said that, you are still wrong. In addition to the moogle fight, we are also getting new sidequests, new grand company quests, new grand company leves, new seasonal events, 300+ new achievements, new supply and provisioning quests, new elite caravan escorts, new NMs, new gear for crafters to make and dye, and more that probably hasn't been announced yet.

Read the Producer Letters please.

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Originally Posted by Xeno

Might as well check back in at 1.21 if this is the case.

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I always find stuff like this funny. Like, Yoshi-P reads every comment on the English forums, and thinks to himself "Hmmm...Xeno Kratos on Wutai isn't pleased with this next update? STOP EVERYTHING SO WE CAN PLEASE THIS PLAYER!"

If you're going to quit over the game having OMG NOTHING TO DO, just leave. Statements like that make you look childish.

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I always find stuff like this funny. Like, Yoshi-P reads every comment on the English forums, and thinks to himself "Hmmm...Xeno Kratos on Wutai isn't pleased with this next update? STOP EVERYTHING SO WE CAN PLEASE THIS PLAYER!"

If you're going to quit over the game having OMG NOTHING TO DO, just leave. Statements like that make you look childish.

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whats this, are you suggesting he doesn't spend his life trawling through here? you have disillusioned me :(

Holy shit can I ask a question without getting harassed that I may be taking a break until 1.21? Taking shit way out of context.

I think the last letter from the producer shows addition of dungeons in1.21.

1.21 New instanced raids Third release of instanced raids -
Fourth release of instanced raids -


Says so in the letter from producer. The first would have been Darkhold/Tototak, second would have been strongholds I think (even though they aren't instanced) so yeh gotta wait some time for the next bit.

^ of course you have to pay for those lol. I think they pulled back on stuff so people would want to pay to have something new to do. The moogle fight will be done to death in a week by most of the server so expect more complaining after that, then it will be another couple months of waiting around.

And the next patch will have 2 dungeons...of course its only going to be 1 for most people, as they wont bother with the inevitable 25+ one because far too many people have multi capped jobs.

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Originally Posted by WiiSam

1.21 New instanced raids Third release of instanced raids -
Fourth release of instanced raids -


Says so in the letter from producer. The first would have been Darkhold/Tototak, second would have been strongholds I think (even though they aren't instanced) so yeh gotta wait some time for the next bit.

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This means that Toto-Rak is 1, Darkhold is 2, and in 1.21. there will be two more: Instanced Dungeon 3 and Instanced Dungeon 4. I don't know how you read it that way you did, but the strongholds do not count toward that.

Since everyone else is ashamed to flatout say it--Yes, 1.20's content will solely be the moogle fight. Supposedly there will be a focus on achievements as well, but that doesn't really qualify as solid content.

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Can someone confirm this? Might as well check back in at 1.21 if this is the case.

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It's only 1 from a few content
there are new quests and new GC missions, too. And the 7th umbral story continues.

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^ of course you have to pay for those lol. I think they pulled back on stuff so people would want to pay to have something new to do. The moogle fight will be done to death in a week by most of the server so expect more complaining after that, then it will be another couple months of waiting around.

And the next patch will have 2 dungeons...of course its only going to be 1 for most people, as they wont bother with the inevitable 25+ one because far too many people have multi capped jobs.

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That's probably true. 1.21 will be epic I bet!

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Since everyone else is ashamed to flatout say it--Yes, 1.20's content will solely be the moogle fight. Supposedly there will be a focus on achievements as well, but that doesn't really qualify as solid content.

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Stop spewing falsities, and treat your opinion as merely that. There's plenty of content in 1.20 besides the Moogle fight. Just because you don't like the content doesn't mean it isn't there.

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Stop spewing falsities, and treat your opinion as merely that. There's plenty of content in 1.20 besides the Moogle fight. Just because you don't like the content doesn't mean it isn't there.

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http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/31373

i read over it, what im seeing for "content" is new leves (most people could care less) story missions (no definite answer there, so who knows...even if it is, that will last all of an hr tops) and the moggle fight. Im not counting achivements because thats not real content to most people.

other then that id love to see this awsome content we are getting.

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Stop spewing falsities, and treat your opinion as merely that. There's plenty of content in 1.20 besides the Moogle fight. Just because you don't like the content doesn't mean it isn't there.

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I'm not the one spewing falsities. Unless that equates to accepting the reality of what's to come. In which case it's no wonder nobody can give a straight answer in this thread. Sorry to pull you out of your fantasy dream for a millisecond, I didn't mean to shatter you.

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http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/31373

i read over it, what im seeing for "content" is new leves (most people could care less) story missions (no definite answer there, so who knows...even if it is, that will last all of an hr tops) and the moggle fight. Im not counting achivements because thats not real content to most people.

other then that id love to see this awsome content we are getting.

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I'm not the one spewing falsities. Unless that equates to accepting the reality of what's to come. In which case it's no wonder nobody can give a straight answer in this thread. Sorry to pull you out of your fantasy dream for a millisecond, I didn't mean to shatter you.

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Just read the Producer Letter. There is opinion, and there is fact. New leves. New story misions, new caravans, new NMs, new seasonal events, the achievement system, and more. You can claim that "most people could care less" and that's probably true, but that's not what we are arguing because that is a matter of opinion.

All those things are CONTENT, it's staring you right in the face. Fact.

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Originally Posted by Meow_Zedong

Just read the Producer Letter. There is opinion, and there is fact. New leves. New story misions, new caravans, new NMs, new seasonal events, the achievement system, and more. You can claim that "most people could care less" and that's probably true, but that's not what we are arguing because that is a matter of opinion.

All those things are CONTENT, it's staring you right in the face. Fact.

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You politician, you.

They're changing up abilities substantially.

I'd say that's kind of a big deal.

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I'm not the one spewing falsities. Unless that equates to accepting the reality of what's to come. In which case it's no wonder nobody can give a straight answer in this thread. Sorry to pull you out of your fantasy dream for a millisecond, I didn't mean to shatter you.

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you are attempting to project your personal, subjective perception of something onto others as if your perception is either not personal or subjective, or is somehow objective. yet clearly nothing in your posts supports the objective angle, so...

if you want to "shatter someone's fantasy dream", you might want to start with some actual evidence, logic, and reason. show us some science. use it to craft a cohesive argument. else you're nothing more than a sophist. a charlatan.

and yet you'd deign to accuse another of being a politician? classic. deflect, project, shed the spotlight.

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Holy shit can I ask a question without getting harassed that I may be taking a break until 1.21? Taking shit way out of context.

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Welcome to the FFXIV forums.

1.20 is still essentially part of 1.18, which is foundation fixing so the focus isn't content -- They're being generous enough to actually give us content along with these patches but the focus is fixing the game.

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you are attempting to project your personal, subjective perception of something onto others as if your perception is either not personal or subjective, or is somehow objective. yet clearly nothing in your posts supports the objective angle, so...

if you want to "shatter someone's fantasy dream", you might want to start with some actual evidence, logic, and reason. show us some science. use it to craft a cohesive argument. else you're nothing more than a sophist. a charlatan.

and yet you'd deign to accuse another of being a politician? classic. deflect, project, shed the spotlight.

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What you really mean is...

http://digitaldaily.allthingsd.com/f...e-facepalm.jpg

The cat is bemused =-.-=

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Originally Posted by Meow_Zedong

Just read the Producer Letter. There is opinion, and there is fact. New leves. New story misions, new caravans, new NMs, new seasonal events, the achievement system, and more. You can claim that "most people could care less" and that's probably true, but that's not what we are arguing because that is a matter of opinion.

All those things are CONTENT, it's staring you right in the face. Fact.

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id rather have meaniful content then half baked crap or stuff that wont last. Like you and i said, most people wont even touch or give a hoot about a few of these things (achievements/caravan/leves) the story bit will last tops an hour. The only things i can see lasting even a short amount of time is the moogle fight and NMs (as long as they arent junk ones...but im doubting it)

so yes, there is content, but little that people want or even could care less about, which means people will continue to bitch...and i wont fault them for a second.

Give me some content that will last, or that most people actually give a rats arse about. why are they bothering with stuff that most people wont do? why not give us something with more substance?

I remember when people were excited for chocobo caravan, which noone does even on a highly populated server like Figaro and company levequests, which there are only 2 of and the exact same thing everytime. So unless these new leves and quests they are adding are frickin awesome, its something we have already seen since beta. Slowly adding new mission and storyline quests remind me of wings of the goddess, ppl gonna plow through them the first 2 hours servers go up, gg. There isnt gonna be much to do. Sure ifrit was fun, the first 60 times you fought him... and now instead of having 1 boss to mindlessly grind were gonna have 2! TWO! Unless these moogle weapons are better than ifrit, then we will have even less to do.

It's the only endgame content being included in the patch, yes.

Moogle weapons will (probably) be strictly superior to Ifrit weaps, and as such you probably won't be touching Ifrit ever again. Enjoy having one boss to farm for the next 3-4 months with the exact same gear you've been using for the past several.

They're making a game.

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They're making a game.

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they are....and its 2.0, which il GLADLY pay for. But they expect people to pay monthly for what half assed crap we have now? I really don't think so...

Now when it says Ongoing in the Letter from the Producer.. what exactly does that mean? Ongoing starting from 1.20, or what?

Another thread about content :( geezzeeeeeeeeeee

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Now when it says Ongoing in the Letter from the Producer.. what exactly does that mean? Ongoing starting from 1.20, or what?

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Ongoing means they have been working on it for a while, and those things, like side-quests and NMs, have been in every patch since those were put on the list. (minus the lettered ones.)

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It's the only endgame content being included in the patch, yes.

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Also not true. They've specifically stated that the new Caravan Escorts are end-game.

^ even if its aimed at 50's, its still the same thing we have had already, just slightly harder and likely more seals from it. I doubt anyone will suddenly start doing these because its for a higher level. Same junky side event, just on hard.