Probably stupid idea: Separate the FC workshop from housing ?

So yeah I got thinking - given that the workshop is the place that lets FC's exclusively access some content (read: Diadem Hard - and possibly another underwater themed zone in 4.x) and get special goodies/materials -- and that there's a perennial shortage of housing plots ....

why not separate the airship portion of the workshop from the FC house ?

Like, a separate 'factory' building in a housing ward, like the apartment block -- except the rooms are workshops/hangars and access is instanced/limited by FC tag

Oh I agree there should be more FC specific stuff -- I just think it's a really bad idea to gate it behind an incredibly limited resource like the current housing system.
That's why I suggested having an FC workshop building for those FC's unlucky enough to have missed out on the latest housing rush to build up their stuff.

He's not asking for non-FC workshops, he's asking for non-housing workshops. Basically, like a garage that takes you to a garage instanced for your free company. I can get behind this idea.

I am in two minds about this. There are pros and cons and I am unsure which side of the fence to sit on with this one, however I'm leaning more towards the "no" side..

I don't like the idea of removing the access to the FC workshop from the house. If anything just add a house-less access, but leave the house-access option there. Just allow FCs that don't have a house to access a generic one in a housing ward / door next to the GC (similar to our personal Barracks.) etc..

Pro
- Considering the current housing system is extremely limited, there are many FCs that are locked out of this feature.

Cons
- Reduces the usefulness of an FC buying a house.
- Allows people to effectively create "shell" FCs on their alts, and create airships for their own private use (for exploration etc). The requirement of owning a house simply adds another barrier for people to do this.


As for Diadem, we don't truly know what it's going to be like until tomorrow.. I would realistically wait for tomorrow to check it out, and see what we can/can't do with it.. It got reworked for a reason so perhaps the accessibility has changed as well.

Swap to server that has a plethora of housing available.
Get whatever stuff you need out of it.
Swap back to your sardine can server.

Problem solved.

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Originally Posted by Masekase_Hurricane

I understand what he is asking for but whats the point joining an FC. With this idea the difference between a linkshell and an FC is a few buffs and a house.

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Are you...sure you understand? You'd still need an FC to use the workshop with the idea he's proposed. His problem is with the limited housing it also limits people who are even able to use the airship garage feature in the first place.

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Originally Posted by St0rmchild

Oh I agree there should be more FC specific stuff -- I just think it's a really bad idea to gate it behind an incredibly limited resource like the current housing system.
That's why I suggested having an FC workshop building for those FC's unlucky enough to have missed out on the latest housing rush to build up their stuff.

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Pretty much this.
Or, add new housing wards but FC restricted, most of the houses we've got in our ward are private houses, preventing FC from getting access to the workshop and thus the features coming with it :/

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Originally Posted by Masekase_Hurricane

so wrong

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Bro... you are missing the point.

Only FC Members who have the rights to take care of airships would be able to enter instanced hangar in Lanvender/Mist/Goblet and take care of their FCs airships.

LMAO ok yes I messed the last line about the FC tag

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Originally Posted by Masekase_Hurricane

LMAO ok yes I messed the last line about the FC tag

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Haha all good mate.. I can delete my posts if you like :P

I'm not bothered just removed mine and yes I see nothing wrong with this idea. As long as you needed to be in an FC.

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Originally Posted by Masekase_Hurricane

I'm not bothered just removed mine and yes I see nothing wrong with this idea. As long as you needed to be in an FC.

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Essentially my idea comes down to removing the requirement to own an FC house in order to have a workshop -- every other requirement (having a functional FC, being able to set the access rights per member, etc etc etc) would still be enforced as is currently the case.

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Originally Posted by St0rmchild

Essentially my idea comes down to removing the requirement to own an FC house in order to have a workshop -- every other requirement (having a functional FC, being able to set the access rights per member, etc etc etc) would still be enforced as is currently the case.

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Yes like I said I am in favour of it. Just didn't read the last line or skimmed over it.

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Originally Posted by Masekase_Hurricane

Yes like I said I am in favour of it. Just didn't read the last line or skimmed over it.

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I'm sorry that the improper articulation of my suggestion caused so much confusion :(

It's not a stupid idea. It's a sensible idea. Lack of housing shouldn't be holding FCs back from having access to content that other FCs have access to. Maybe don't entirely separate it - keep the existing workshops and airships in FC houses, but add a common area where FCs without a house can use - like a bought workshop area in some common zone.

I think this is a fantastic idea. Sadly we won't be able to have it since the people who do already have access to it don't want others having access. It wouldn't be very good for their MB monoploies.

Sensible idea. Just have the door in our FC house also work to teleport you to the same place so it's just as easy to get to. But if you're in a group with a FC member you should be able to choose to enter their workshop, just like you can now if they need help. I've helped quite a few people in small FCs construct their airships and honestly, this new idea would be a lot easier than navigating to their individual houses through Lavender Beds.

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Originally Posted by Altena

As for Diadem, we don't truly know what it's going to be like until tomorrow.. I would realistically wait for tomorrow to check it out, and see what we can/can't do with it.. It got reworked for a reason so perhaps the accessibility has changed as well.

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Given that the new zone is supposed to handle 3 alliances and some of the new content is supposed to use 4+ parties, hopefully access is less restrictive than it used to be.

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Originally Posted by Dualgunner

He's not asking for non-FC workshops, he's asking for non-housing workshops. Basically, like a garage that takes you to a garage instanced for your free company. I can get behind this idea.

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As part of a small, closed, "friends only" FC on Hyperion I can get behind this 100%. It sucks that we can't access a ton of content, because there is such a massive housing shortage.

Full support to this

I love this idea.

I fully support this and maybe further expanding features of workshops too.