Quick Synthesis - Please speed it up!

Quick synthesis is slower than sitting there and just spamming "synthesize". The main benefit is you don't have to do anything, but most of the time you only use it when you know you are high enough to not end up with a bunch of failed synths.

The time between each synthesis should be cut in half!

Depends what your making. If you're quick synthing level 60 stuff like hard silver ingots and chimerical felts quick synthetic is a lot faster than than spamming normal synthesis.

Also recently it was updated so you get a decent amount of hqs now without even trying. Got 19 hq aurum Regis nuggets quick synching 99 of them today.

I agree with OP. Quick synthesis is not quick enough. Please speed it up. A lot.

I think doing what GW2 does as far as gradually speeding up the process the more items you're quick-synthing at once would be a good balance!

It's to do with the global cool down (GCD) & how the servers communicate with the client. It is designed to ensure that cheating via 'injection' methods aren't possible. It could speed up in 4.0 as I believe they may be reducing the GCD as part of the software/hardware upgrades. However, it won't be as quick as many people would desire simply because of how the game is coded.

It takes 10 minutes to quick craft 99 of something

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Originally Posted by phantom23

It takes 10 minutes to quick craft 99 of something

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It should take 1 minute max. Then it would be quick synthesis. Now its just "automated" synthesis. Not quick at all.

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Originally Posted by Galborion

It should take 1 minute max. Then it would be quick synthesis. Now its just "automated" synthesis. Not quick at all.

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As I mentioned, it's just not possible in a system that is designed around 'checks & balances' like this one. Sure, it could all be done speedily client side, like in many other games, but it is incredibly easy to cheat the server into believing that you just crafted a stack of 99HQ items that way. Having a stable economy & lack of craft hacking is paid for by crafting (especially quick craft) being slower than ideal.

I intended on replying to this topic nearly as soon as it was posted by adding my own opinion - the same as OP. Quick synthesis is very slow. I oftentimes desire to craft whole stacks of various things for various reasons, but it feels so slow. It often interupts in my crafting, because either I do quick synthesis and so something else for a while (which isn't ideal if I was specifically in the groove of the crafting stuff to begin with), or I specifically wait until later when I do have other things to do. So, I agree that it should be faster. I then came across Culfinrandir's message, and, well, there is certainly a fair point there. I know little about the technical side of things, so I'll trust that the information is accurate, and that sort of refutes the original suggestion through that fair point.

However, there are simple workarounds that Square-Enix could implement to speed up quick synthesis that would work for all users just as equally as it does now. For instance, each quick synthesis done could count for up to 10 crafts at once, however many the user decides. Up to 10. Instead of 1 per. Of course, the materials would be used all together, and it would require the correct amount of inventory space to quick synthesis for more than 1. I figure that HQ would be determined in the same way. Surely the server could calculates HQ for 10 items within that time span... or, they could make it so if the game determines that the item ends up NQ, they are all NQ, and if it ends up HQ, they are all HQ. Is this idea workable?

Holy-chan, your idea seems logical & reasonable on paper but the game is so tightly tuned that the servers are likely unable to handle it. We all complain about many things in the game but once you find out more about the actual working of the system as a whole it's a lot easier to understand why certain limitations exist & why things we all see as "easy options" (like the infamous butt slider) just can't be done using what we currently have.

That's not to say that such things won't appear in the future but realistically there would have to be a complete rewrite & restructuring of the system as it is akin to a whole new game. It might happen if the game continues to grow, like has happened to other MMOs but Square Enix are well known to be quite "frugal" when it comes to FFXIV & may prefer a new release over a revamp.

I would agree with Holy-chan, give us recipies where we craft 10 pieces at a time. Then we would have true quicksynth and in that case i wouldnt even need quicksynth and just manual or macro craft the stack. And inventory space wouldnt be an issue if they did it with metals and lumbers that stack anyway

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Originally Posted by Caitlinzulu

I would agree with Holy-chan, give us recipies where we craft 10 pieces at a time. Then we would have true quicksynth and in that case i wouldnt even need quicksynth and just manual or macro craft the stack. And inventory space wouldnt be an issue if they did it with metals and lumbers that stack anyway

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Give us recipies where we can craft 99 pcs at a time. That would speed it up. I usually dont even care if it is NQ or HQ. 99 pcs of material with 100% NQ result is fine with me as long as its fast.

You do realise if quick synthesis was significantly sped up if would contribute to market bloat (too many items on the market) and potentially bomb the market right?

Yeah... more excuses and "reasons" why it cannot be done. I am getting sick of people who do nothing else but find a reason why something cannot be done.

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Originally Posted by Galborion

Yeah... more excuses and "reasons" why it cannot be done. I am getting sick of people who do nothing else but find a reason why something cannot be done.

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You've been given good reasons on why it can't be done. The fact that you don't like them doesn't mean it's wrong. Culfinrandir is correct. The way the game communicates affects how quick synthesis works and how fast it can be. Holy-chan's idea might help (it definitely helped with camphor).

And honestly, it's not THAT slow. Less than ten minues (I think it's closer to 8 minutes) for an entire stack of items is perfectly reasonable and, yes, it actually is slower to manually synth it, even if you do finish it in just one Synthesis step.

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Originally Posted by Elamys

You've been given good reasons on why it can't be done. The fact that you don't like them doesn't mean it's wrong. Culfinrandir is correct. The way the game communicates affects how quick synthesis works and how fast it can be. Holy-chan's idea might help (it definitely helped with camphor).

And honestly, it's not THAT slow. Less than ten minues (I think it's closer to 8 minutes) for an entire stack of items is perfectly reasonable and, yes, it actually is slower to manually synth it, even if you do finish it in just one Synthesis step.

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Did you read more then my rant post? I am perfectly fine with "bulk" recipes and I am also perfectly fine, if result of bulk recipe will always be normal quality. Because, honestly, 8 minutes per stack is THAT slow.

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Originally Posted by Culfinrandir

Sure, it could all be done speedily client side, like in many other games, but it is incredibly easy to cheat the server into believing that you just crafted a stack of 99HQ items that way.

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It's the servers that decide which crafts come out HQ or NQ, and we already know it can do that noticeably faster than quick synth does, since we can manually craft simple items faster than quick synth does. (Anything that only takes a single synth to finish is slowed down quite a bit by doing quick synth instead.) People aren't asking (necessarily) for the actions to be faster, just that they immediately follow one another at at least the same rate they would if done one-by-one. Or actually, it probably could be a bit quicker than that, since there's less communication needed between client and server during quick synth.

The fact that quick synth is slower than manual one-step synthesis seems fairly clear proof that it isn't about any technical limitations, but just about limiting the usefulness of automated crafting. (Personally, I feel it would have been better to eliminate any possibility of HQ during quick synth, but let it be faster. SE, on the other hand, not only chose to allow HQ, but even updated it to increase the HQ chance. If they're relying instead on the slow speed to keep it from being overused, then they're not going to speed it up.)

Did you fully read my post? I am aware it is done server side, thus the delay. As for "simple crafts being faster", that is because you aren't allowing for the time you, as a human, take to select the craft & press the buttons. It may seem faster but in reality it isn't. This is magnified greatly the more complex the craft is, or the lower the levels. Plus, there's the global server polling & latency to account for in every single action. They've already sped it up, I'm sure if they could make it fast, they would. They don't set out to inconvenience & upset players.

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Originally Posted by Culfinrandir

As for "simple crafts being faster", that is because you aren't allowing for the time you, as a human, take to select the craft & press the buttons. It may seem faster but in reality it isn't.

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Even if that were true (which it isn't) it wouldn't be relevant. We were only discussing how long the server needs to complete its part of the process, since that's the only part that happens during quick synth. The server can determine the outcome of a quick synth in the same time as it can determine the outcome of a single Basic Synthesis action. The difference is that it doesn't need to then wait for the user to specify the next action. It goes right from one to the next.

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Originally Posted by Culfinrandir

Plus, there's the global server polling & latency to account for in every single action.

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You're just making things up now. Quit trolling. There is no latency involved in Quick Synth, because it's a server action followed by a server action followed by a server action, etc. Latency only figures into things where the server and client have to communicate between each action, but that's not the case here. The only communication going on during quick synth (well, the communication that's relevant to the synth, anyway) is for the server to notify the client what the result of each one was: a HQ item, NQ item, or failure. But that notification is after the fact, and doesn't have any bearing on the following synth in the batch. It doesn't introduce latency because there's no reason for the server to wait for that communication to complete before continuing.

I think we're also forgetting something very obvious in that each synth matches up to the animation, as do many things in this game, and I somehow doubt that SE is going to change it. Which makes the only solution be each craft produces multiple items.

When reporting what game developers habe said is classed as trolling you know that you're dealing with people not worth dealing with. >_>

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Originally Posted by Culfinrandir

When reporting what game developers habe said is classed as trolling you know that you're dealing with people not worth dealing with. >_>

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Perhaps the people with the ability to program can make changes then. You're constantly taking a stance that "this is how it works, end of story". The whole point of making these requests is to get change. :)

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Originally Posted by Elamys

I think we're also forgetting something very obvious in that each synth matches up to the animation, as do many things in this game, and I somehow doubt that SE is going to change it.

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But the animation only takes up about half the time of each synth in the batch. Your character will spin their spinning wheel, or make a couple blows with their hammer, or whatever, and then will sit there motionless for a second or two before doing it again. It would impose a limit on how much they could speed it up without changing that animation (or as you mentioned taking another approach like multiple items in the output), but there is some room for speeding it up even without those changes.

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Originally Posted by Culfinrandir

When reporting what game developers habe said is classed as trolling you know that you're dealing with people not worth dealing with. >_>

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While there are plenty of other features affected by things like latency, I'm sure none of SE's devs would have ever tried claiming that it affects features like this one that don't involve communication with the client, since that's what latency is: the time it takes to communicate with the client.

And the server polling thing is even farther out of left field, since that doesn't even pertain to the speed of actions, but to the amount of data each character needs. It was one of the things that made increasing inventory space difficult, but doesn't pertain at all to quick synth, which isn't changing the size of your character data.

It sounds like you're just throwing around terms at random from completely different contexts and trying to convince people they're why this particular feature wouldn't work. I can't off hand think of any other reason for doing that besides trolling.

Anything is possible IF they choose to rework a system and I fully agree, quick synthesis is not quick...at all.

It is convenient...but not quick. I loved my chefs hat in wow to rack out hundreds of meals in record time :)

I'm thankful we have quick synth here!!! The convenience of mass producing IS appreciated! but please don't ever call it quick, it is not.

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Originally Posted by Dustytome

Perhaps the people with the ability to program can make changes then.

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I take that stance because that *IS* how it works. The FFXIV engine is the best MMO engine that SE currently have, therefore any limitations cannot be overcome without a system rewrite. Such things take years & manpower that would, effectively, take the entire development team away from developing *any* more FFXIV content.

I'd love all the things that are currently limited by software but the fact is it's not like just writing a few new lines of code. Some of the requests are how the system *works*, the whole thing would need to be rewritten from the ground up to handle them.

Look at it this way. Asking for a picture to be put on a website so you can view it on your PC is one thing. Asking them to do it & make it so you can view it on your calculator is a different matter!

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Originally Posted by Culfinrandir

I take that stance because that *IS* how it works. The FFXIV engine is the best MMO engine that SE currently have, therefore any limitations cannot be overcome without a system rewrite. Such things take years & manpower that would, effectively, take the entire development team away from developing *any* more FFXIV content.

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And again we know how it functions now. Unless you have access to the code yourself, you don't know they can't tweak certain things. It does no harm in asking or showing support for a feature so they can see this is something we would like them to devote time into attempting to make possible. If the community doesn't back the idea or they revisit an issue and find it's still not something in their skillset or something that can be accomplished within their time restrictions so be it.

It's pointless to continue with this further. The facts have been provided to you but you continue to disregard them in order to forward your own demands. No wonder the developers have such a jaded view of the playerbase.

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Originally Posted by Culfinrandir

It's pointless to continue with this further. The facts have been provided to you but you continue to disregard them in order to forward your own demands. No wonder the developers have such a jaded view of the playerbase.

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From some of the things you've said, it would seem that SE is just absolutely horrible at programming or something. I have never experienced in any other MMOs but the ones made by SE people saying "the engine can't handle that" or something along those lines.

What gives?

They won't change it, mostly because it doesn't need changing. It's purposely the way it is to throttle the speed in which new items are brought to the server. If you think 8 minutes isn't quick for a full stack of synths, then you haven't made of full stack of two or three star mats at HQ lol

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Originally Posted by Dustytome

It does no harm in asking or showing support for a feature so they can see this is something we would like them to devote time into attempting to make possible.

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I'd have to agree. I'm not a game developer but I am a software developer. One of the metrics we use to gauge value for an improvement is how much it's in demand. We do consider possible limitations of current code and effort that rewriting areas may take as well. But if the value is deemed to be high enough, then we may move forward with an improvement for our customers even if it's not entirely easy to implement. It all depends on the delicate balance of effort versus reward.

I dropped crafting as the devs don't seem anywhere near interested in it and the items are not better then the ones you get in dungeons.

Please. I am making the parts for the submarine and it takes an eternity. Plus I have to lower HQ to NQ because the workshop requires *specific* stacks of HQ to turn in. It's so time consuming omg.