Proto Ultima and Mhach

So from the patch notes, I would think, the Quest "Unidentified Flying Object" will be for the proto Ultima fight.

As you can read in the requirements, it seems to be part of the Mhach quest chain.

"Players must have completed the quest "Freedom for Our Skies," and have unlocked the alliance raid Dun Scaith."

Any idea how proto Ultima fits into the Mhach lore?

Spoilers Obviously

It doesn't, really. It is theorized in the quest that the machine mistook the voidsent for a primal and came to destroy it. It seems convenience-based rather than deep canon; at Fan Fest it took place in Azys Lla on a little island called The Last Remnant.

Honestly it just feels like they killed all the birds with one stone. Missing Proto Ultima FATE, a fight for Fan Fest that wouldn't need to be from scratch, somewhere to stick a 24-man trial where it wouldn't require new systems, gap accessories, and so on.

Lore was probably an after-thought, as it already requires several maybes. Why was Ultima there? Maybe it was trying to kill a primal. How did Ultima mistake a voidsent for a primal? Ehh, something something concentrated aether to manifest something something something very powerful something something it hasn't had a tune-up in 5,000 years. Maybe the goblin is wrong and Ultima also killed uppity Cloud of Darkness minions that grew too powerful and acted outside of certain parameters. "Please just have fun with the fight!" <loosens collar>

Possibly not as far-fetched as it seems.

While they don't need it to maintain their physical form, voidsent crave aether much like primals do thanks to how the 13th shard was destroyed. Ultima could have responded to the similar behaviour.

With Lots of Animal fat and a shoe horn it seems

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Originally Posted by Astrid_Stormborn

Possibly not as far-fetched as it seems.

While they don't need it to maintain their physical form, voidsent crave aether much like primals do thanks to how the 13th shard was destroyed. Ultima could have responded to the similar behaviour.

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: drinks an ether:

Pultima: Eikon detected. Supernova ready.

In all seriousness, Allagans were able to make artificial voidsent. I'm pretty sure it wasn't beyond them considering to program their death machine to PERHAPS differentiate between the housecat and the local disaster causing god(dess)? Who would approve a automated military weapon that chases down imps thinking they are Zurvan?

Heh, I would reckon that there were parameters for scale involved- Pultima would seek out massive aether fluctuations akin to a primal.

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Originally Posted by Kallera

: drinks an ether:

Pultima: Eikon detected. Supernova ready.

In all seriousness, Allagans were able to make artificial voidsent. I'm pretty sure it wasn't beyond them considering to program their death machine to PERHAPS differentiate between the housecat and the local disaster causing god(dess)? Who would approve a automated military weapon that chases down imps thinking they are Zurvan?

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Keep in mind that Proto-Ultima is only a prototype. It is possible it was never officially put to use at all because of various issues.

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Originally Posted by Astrid_Stormborn

Heh, I would reckon that there were parameters for scale involved- Pultima would seek out massive aether fluctuations akin to a primal.

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You fight it right where the Queen's Coffin was opened, so it clearly was homing on her.

Given what we know of the origins of powerful voidsent (champions corrupted by primal energies leaking out of auracite) it doesn't seem far-fetched at all really. Perhaps Proto Ultima detected "Primal aether" in the vicinity.

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Originally Posted by Keever

Given what we know of the origins of powerful voidsent (champions corrupted by primal energies leaking out of auracite) it doesn't seem far-fetched at all really. Perhaps Proto Ultima detected "Primal aether" in the vicinity.

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Ok...IF it somehow confused voidsent energies for a primal, and IF it went out of its way to hunt the source of it down. Why would it be waiting to attack YOU instead of the thing it came to hunt down? If it was the coffin that was destroyed, why would it not leave after its destruction? If it was Diabolos or the Shadow Queen, why would it not go ahead and attack them? Why, given all the potential attack targets that would and could have been confused for primals if it was called by voidsent, WHY, would it wait...for YOU?!

(sorry, I'm not angry at you, I'm baffled at the explanation, as much as it came from the goblin. The more I read it, the more it doesn't add up.)

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There are a lot of logical jumps in the idea. maybe we got to it just before it got to her. maybe it's aether-compass is completely bonkers from 5000 years of neglect and is no longer accurate. perhaps it decided you were looking at it funny. The machine is literally a prototype that was 5000 years past it's scrapping, so it could be any number of things. Machines tend to break, and prototypes are made to be broken.

Big leap of logic, but what if all along Voidsent are "primals" like they come from somewhere and... I dont know, maybe we are the ones putting way more thought into the story of this thing introduced back in 3.0 than the people who implimented it finally.

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Who would approve a automated military weapon that chases down imps thinking they are Zurvan?

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Don't forget, you as the WoL has absorbed corrupted ether from at least 9 primals. The WoL can be a valid target.

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Originally Posted by Legion88

Don't forget, you as the WoL has absorbed corrupted ether from at least 9 primals. The WoL can be a valid target.

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And then there are SMNs....

Legion88 beat me to it. I was just thinking maybe it detected the warrior of light heading to dun scaith, and decided to set a trap there. All the primals wol has fought, their aether, etc had to of triggered proto Ultima.

as much as I admitidly know little about how it "may" fit lore wise I'm going with its a Prototype so after this was tested Allag made a "better" version & left this unfinished one to rust/decay... time & somehow powering up... it runs off its incomplete settings to "seak & destroy all Primals" then notices the Void Queen with high Aether amount (since Voidsent are like Primals-ish & Proto 's scan settings arn't narrow enouf to tell Void from Primal at that high of Aether)... we just finish fight with 2nd Dun Scath boss & "Wham" Proto attack's Aether sorce (acording to scaner is Cofffin, hence the beams droping apon aproach), Proto lands to re-check area & scans 24 humanoids, one of which has enouf Primal residue on their Aether to confuse its unrefined Proto-Aether scaner hence it attack us & flees apon defeat as is its defalt "Run if u can't win to return combat data" senario

Thats my jest of it really... Poor succubi never saw those laser's from the sky comming, at lest death came quick

Not entirely serious, but given how the WoL is shown to solo literal gods, maybe we should take Thordan's question ("Who... what are you!?") a tad more seriously - given WoL's living legend status in Eorzea, that's a lot of belief and faith in his abilities coming from the people. And even without the "WoL is turning into a primal" angle, there could be side-effects from

Louisoix sending him into the future, possibly utilizing the Lifestream

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Originally Posted by The_NPC

as much as I admitidly know little about how it "may" fit lore wise I'm going with its a Prototype so after this was tested Allag made a "better" version & left this unfinished one to rust/decay... time & somehow powering up... it runs off its incomplete settings to "seak & destroy all Primals" then notices the Void Queen with high Aether amount (since Voidsent are like Primals-ish & Proto 's scan settings arn't narrow enouf to tell Void from Primal at that high of Aether)...

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I agree that time and the elements probably damaged its sensors so it couldn't differentiate voidsent from primals or eikons. Something similar occurred with Amdapor City's defenses when they mistook the elementals for voidsent due to damage accumulated overtime.

I personally believe that the "lore explanation" to Ultima's presence in Dun Scaith is just a reference to FF6 and 8.
You know, these games where Diabolos was an Esper/G-Force.

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Originally Posted by Sunspawn

Louisoix sending him into the future, possibly utilizing the Lifestream

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Only really canon for those that started in 1.0. 2.0 players only get compared to the old 1.0 WoL, nothing saying they are the ones sent forward in time.

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Originally Posted by Kallera

: drinks an ether:

Pultima: Eikon detected. Supernova ready.

In all seriousness, Allagans were able to make artificial voidsent. I'm pretty sure it wasn't beyond them considering to program their death machine to PERHAPS differentiate between the housecat and the local disaster causing god(dess)? Who would approve a automated military weapon that chases down imps thinking they are Zurvan?

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A lot of time has passed since the Allagan era. I would bet that some of the machines likely aged, and begun making mistakes. Basically everything left of the Allagans is on its own until it runs its self out. Also Proto Ultima is a prototype, not a complete project. Prototypes aren't as good as the final product.