PvP Observations

No this isn't another thread complaining about the new people, this is observations I have taken in since 3.5 launched.

So, with the garo armor being put in for pvp, it was a great idea...but not implemented well. Sure it gave people the incentive to actually come and try pvp, and I know the devs intentions were good to try to bring it back to life. Problem is, there are quite a few players who have no idea that there are actually pvp skills to help them out in battle, that and they have no idea how to properly engage or follow the objective.
Then there's the active help for pvp rewards- I would like to put a request out to the devs to rename it the pvp profile and have it better outline the use of the pvp actions for it and how they affect the gameplay in pvp, rather than the brief explanation we have on what the AP is used for. The way I see it, we're making players who are new to pvp hit the ground running, and if they trip up, then they get blamed for it. Fixing the information we have could help those who are genuinely interested playing it.

There is another problem I'd like to address with this as well. In the feast I've been seeing some players barely do anything at all to help out their team. And I'm not talking about the new players who have absolutely no idea what they're doing- I'm talking about seeing some healers cast literally two spells the entire match and then run around, letting their teammates die. Or a melee or ranged dps who does the same thing and not back up their team or healers but instead allow themselves to die. While this is speculation, I believe players are purposely throwing the match in an attempt to farm wolf marks for the pvp armor.
Think about it this way: losing a match nets the team 250 while winning nets 500. I've been in matches where we didn't even last 2 whole minutes, so say if that continued in that trend, said losing player who threw would have as many wolf marks as a winning team who played a full length match. In the end it would be a faster way for them to gather the marks. While pvp in its entirety is now unbalanced with all of these new players, I don't think it's unreasonable to think people are throwing the matches either. Admittedly I have no proof to back up my claim, nor do I have any idea to combat this issue if it really is that bad. So I'd like to ask the mods and devs here to look into that potential issue as well and see if they can come up with a solution to resolve this.

Anyway, there's my two cents. Take what you will from it. As a long time pvp player, I'd just like to have both new and old players alike get more enjoyment out of it~

Yea, I had no idea about the pvp actions until a fellow FC member told me about them. I got my Gotten mount so I'm done with pvp but during my time there I saw many people just go afk if it didn't look our team was going to win. As we all know, lack of chat isn't helping. I reported those who went afk and was even contacted by a GM about it so I'd like to say that it is being noticed.

think your right had that myself like got a healer won't say the name but she was hard as heck to pin down and more so to kill and yet 3matchs later she on my team and somehow she dead in 5sec of everyone attacking each other.

Sorry but can't see her being this hard to beat and then all of a sudden she on my team and she nothing but crap so either someone else was playing and switch out for a time or she died on purpose and then ran around most of the match after she lost her coins and threw a small heal here and there letting both the rng and melee to die a few times.

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Originally Posted by KiraCifer

think your right had that myself like got a healer won't say the name but she was hard as heck to pin down and more so to kill and yet 3matchs later she on my team and somehow she dead in 5sec of everyone attacking each other.

Sorry but can't see her being this hard to beat and then all of a sudden she on my team and she nothing but crap so either someone else was playing and switch out for a time or she died on purpose and then ran around most of the match after she lost her coins and threw a small heal here and there letting both the rng and melee to die a few times.

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I had a few moments like that and it depends what the other team does. Like there been times I had 3 people on me, heal though it fine gave my team free kills where others they stun lock me to death or slept me (even with purify use) and take out one of my team members.

I know there are people just throwing matches. I ran into a couple with the same last name and the same free company queuing as healers and throwing matches in Feast. I reported but who knows what the great magnet wants?

On-screen hints and objectives sure would be nice, huh? Why should newcomers give af if the devs dont?

Shatter is by far the worst tbh. Players are too focused on killing other teams over actual goals. Not to mention in some of my runs our base has been taken over 2 or 3x from i guess a team that snuck in.
None listen in chat either. That 10 win for the first mount is taking me a very long time, lol

SE need to add pvp novice network :D where u can learn how use ur skills pvp and pvp goals.

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Originally Posted by Maero

Shatter is by far the worst tbh. Players are too focused on killing other teams over actual goals. Not to mention in some of my runs our base has been taken over 2 or 3x from i guess a team that snuck in.
None listen in chat either. That 10 win for the first mount is taking me a very long time, lol

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That's because it's pvp but they thought it was a great idea to make a pve objective the main source of points.

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Originally Posted by KiraCifer

think your right had that myself like got a healer won't say the name but she was hard as heck to pin down and more so to kill and yet 3matchs later she on my team and somehow she dead in 5sec of everyone attacking each other.

Sorry but can't see her being this hard to beat and then all of a sudden she on my team and she nothing but crap so either someone else was playing and switch out for a time or she died on purpose and then ran around most of the match after she lost her coins and threw a small heal here and there letting both the rng and melee to die a few times.

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To be fair, I had a similar experience in Feast myself, except I was the healer. In one of my matches an excellent WAR and NIN from my server just DELETED me in under 2 seconds, before my cohealer could even react, then went and deleted my co-healer too. Obviously, we didn't just stand around doing F-all for the rest of the match, but it is quite possible that people recognized me being a bit sturdier in my matches earlier and were probably wondering what the hell happened, haha.

I had been in a match with said WAR and NIN just before the one I described above, so I'm wondering if they possibly recognized that I'd be problematic and tried to remove me from the game quickly so their team could get kills. Unfortunately for them, the rest of their team was not so much on point; my duo queue buddy erased both of their healers after my co-healer and I rezzed and we went on to win the match. Kinda sucks that the WAR and NIN couldn't strategize with their team beforehand, eh? Aren't chat restrictions grand?

I am pretty new to PVP , but I keep with the group and help out (smoosh crystals if that is the thing, etc ) , I am not too great at it, but at least I am trying :)

I agree they do not do a great job informing anyone of the PVP only skills, I made a separate bar for PVP, but I would be willing to bet a lot of new PVP people have no idea it is there.

So other new people, chin up, we'll get better !

Just gotta remember lots of people are new to MMO PvP in general for most it's a chaotic mess and they have no idea what's even going on. They have yet to grow their PvP legs but give it some time. I'm just grateful I can queue for frontlines again. lol

I've only just got into pvp since the event, and it is a whole different ball game to pve. not just the pvp-only moves, but also moves that are more or less useless in pve become mvp

freeze, bliz2, surecast, and the chasing-after-people-hammering-scathe...

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Originally Posted by Lone-wolfe-02

That's because it's pvp but they thought it was a great idea to make a pve objective the main source of points.

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Oh i understand that, just people do not care to win i guess...
I just would like my mount before Stormblood, lol

I mostly PVP as Nin as i like the up close fighting and to laugh at (mostly DK's) that think they have me once binded only to find out i have Purify and the other ability, hehe
Summoners i will admit have made me cry at times :(
Also i could of had my blm Relic done by now i suppose....
Thunder (and hope for procs) and sleep is your friend as blm :>

Thanks for the support everyone, hopefully the devs take notice to this :)

Another thing I've recently observed while in the feast. People ignoring those who have tons of medals with multiple vuln debuffs on them...the debuffs are there for a reason, it means- "please attack me! I picked up way too many medals and deserve to get destroyed!" Also, I see many not picking up the buffs you get from the initial crates. Pleeeeease don't walk past them, it's a free buff :3 Preferably let the melee dps or blm grab the attack buff (Or maybe even the war if there aren't any melee), while the healers grab the defense buff.

This problem extends to PvE content as well. The "training" via job quests is fairly poor for the most part.

It would be really nice if there was a rather extensive forced-tutorial specific to every class. Focusing on things such as a tank's role, and how to adequately hold hate - or abilities such as Heavy Thrust and Dancing Edge etc that give you buffs that so many people seem to simply gloss over.

It would be quite a lot of work but I do believe the level of training for PvE and PvP content should be seriously improved.

The way this could be done with PvP is in order to unlock each game mode (Shatter, Secure etc), a player must complete a PvE version of the game mode.
For example - to unlock Shatter, you would have to capture your objective, then when a crystal spawns - try and do more damage to the crystal than the NPC that attacks it.
Regarding PvP skills, you should have to fight against an NPC who will do things such as continuously sleep you (with no building resistance) and in order to pass you would have to Purify.

This game does a rather poor job of teaching people about their roles and classes in PvE, as well as PvP as a whole..

I had a Scholar in Shatter once who just ran all over the place getting herself killed, never moved with the group and stayed quiet the whole time.

PvP would be nice to have its own little section in Hall of the Novice or something of the like. Could go a long way, in my opinion, even if PvP isn't the main focus of the game.

They do need to inform more clearly about PVP skills, I didn't know they existed for months.

I poured a bunch of suggestions into the PVP section of the forum, but one of them was a "Hall of the Hungry Wolf" - like a Novice Hall but for PVP - so you could learn to use your different abilities.