RDM Zodiac?

It has been said that the Red Mage job will be obtainable in an ARR zone and does not require the completion of the MSQ of either ARR or HW. Whether this means it doesn't need Stormblood, I don't know, I can't seem to find an answer to that. However, if it is obtainable without SB, do you think RDM will have a Zodiac relic?

I think it's pretty safe to say "no, they will not", as the Heavensward Jobs did not have relic either or even AF1/1.5 gear - they just skipped straight onto AF2 and eso/anima weapons. Even though RDM (and any other new Job) will not require HW access to unlock does not mean they will have relic, as relic was actually a holdover from 1.0 (in 1.0 it was literally the BiS weapons in the entire game) so there is little reason to give them here I'm afraid.

But I guess we'll find out soon enough.

I would say that Stormblood is needed to even activate the quest for RDM, even if it's in the old ARR area's.

As for a Zodiac version of its weapon, I think it'll probably go the same way they did DRK, AST and MCH and not bother with their Zodiac or even Anima weapons. They will probably have you go through the new Eureka(sp?) zone instead.

But, you never know.

I think the only reason the HW jobs didnt have AF1 or a Zodiac was the fact they were locked behind Ishgard. There are players who have not purchased/installed HW out of choice, but I suppose it's not likely.

Zodiac isn't 3.0, which is why DRK, AST and MCH did not get Zodiac weapons.

RDM, and whichever new Job(s) we get, are 4.0-exclusive, so as such, they will have neither Zodiac weapons nor Anima weapons, and their "relic" will be the second available tome weapon, just like Ferdinand for MCH, Atlas for AST and Deathbringer for DRK were.

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Originally Posted by BHGlobbd

I think the only reason the HW jobs didnt have AF1 or a Zodiac was the fact they were locked behind Ishgard. There are players who have not purchased/installed HW out of choice, but I suppose it's not likely.

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The main raison was more that all this stuff became pretty pointless with the new expansion and it would be meaningless to waste time developping gear for all thos content only here for glamour now. That's why they only added weapon because it would be a problem otherwise, and just added the new jobs on already existing gear, which takes no time of development.

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Originally Posted by Arutan

The main raison was more that all this stuff became pretty pointless with the new expansion and it would be meaningless to waste time developping gear for all thos content only here for glamour now. That's why they only added weapon because it would be a problem otherwise, and just added the new jobs on already existing gear, which takes no time of development.

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The only issue with that is the fact that AST/MCH/DRK all got weapons from the previous Primals, which as you said are essentially just glamour at this point. The SB jobs will get weapons from them as well. It just would have been neat for the new jobs to get Zodiacs and Animas.

i dont think there will be a RDM 2.0 relic like with AST/DRK/Mch they just went to the 3.0 relic so i would say with RDM/ what ever the other new jobs are will just get the new relic in 4.1

Stormblood will be needed for RDM, just as Heavensward was required for DRK, MCH, and AST. And just like those jobs, I can nearly guarantee that RDM won't have a Zodiac. It may not even have an Anima, and the first "special" weapon available will be whatever the new Anima/Relic is in 4.0. Though they will likely have their "AF" weapon available as the weekly limited Tome weapon.

I have a somewhat related question for someone who had a Zeta Weapon. In the first step of Anima, were you able to skip that step for the new classes (DRK/MCH/AST) by breaking down a Zeta Weapon from another class? Curious to know if that'd be possible for 4.0.

You can exchange your Zeta-something for the items you would otherwise get for the crystals. It doesn't matter for what weapon you invest this items.

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Originally Posted by Legion88

You can exchange your Zeta-something for the items you would otherwise get for the crystals. It doesn't matter for what weapon you invest this items.

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Ah, thanks. Hope they'll keep that for 4.0 as well.

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Originally Posted by BHGlobbd

The only issue with that is the fact that AST/MCH/DRK all got weapons from the previous Primals, which as you said are essentially just glamour at this point.

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I was actually genuinely surprised SE went and did that.

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Originally Posted by BHGlobbd

The only issue with that is the fact that AST/MCH/DRK all got weapons from the previous Primals, which as you said are essentially just glamour at this point. The SB jobs will get weapons from them as well. It just would have been neat for the new jobs to get Zodiacs and Animas.

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Not true, you unlock Ast, Mch and Drk and they are level 30 you have to level through the old content and those weapons from the primals can be used at the appropriate level. It is not all glamour.

I hope they add Primal versions of weapons for the new classes.

I doubt it. Why would they go back and make a new questline for Zodiac with 1 weapon. Also we dont know the limitations on the job requirements. Whether Stormblood is required or not, whether you need to be a certain level or not, etc.

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Originally Posted by Vexander

I hope they add Primal versions of weapons for the new classes.

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they will they had them from AST/DRK/MCH and will most likely do the same with RDM/???/??? classes aswell in stormblood

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Originally Posted by Esp

I would say that Stormblood is needed to even activate the quest for RDM, even if it's in the old ARR area's.

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I think you need only Stormblood for the lv61-70 jobquests. Heavensward will give you the lv51-60 jobquests.
Without Heavensward and Stormblood the RDM will be already at max. level (level 50)

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Originally Posted by Konata

they will they had them from AST/DRK/MCH and will most likely do the same with RDM/???/??? classes aswell in stormblood

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I'm hoping, but if they start at 50, it may be seen as not as necessary.

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Originally Posted by Vexander

I'm hoping, but if they start at 50, it may be seen as not as necessary.

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there more for glamour anyway as most people just got them there classes ironworks anyway

I can not find the slide that showed it but to answer it did say that Redmage will be in a 2.0 area however you do need a level 50 class as well as stormblood to access the class.

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Originally Posted by Felis

I think you need only Stormblood for the lv61-70 jobquests. Heavensward will give you the lv51-60 jobquests.
Without Heavensward and Stormblood the RDM will be already at max. level (level 50)

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I am not completely sure myself, but "Unlock RDM job" is plastered all over the product information for Stormblood, so it's why I figured even though it is in the old 2.0 area's, a Stormblood access key would probably still be required to get RDM.

For me, it's part of their selling point of the expansion.

While that is true, the "Battle system changes" is also heavily promoted, but the battle system changes will affect 2.x/3.x/4.x meaning even those without HW or SB will have to use the new battle system as well. Honestly there is no telling if ARR only players will have access to RDM until we see the patch notes and it shows available for 2.x/3.x

I don't think you will be able to unlock RDM ,regardless of where the unlock quest is or the start level, without Stormblood. It's one of the advertised features of the expansion. They wouldn't just give it out for free and not announce it beforehand a la NIN.

As for an Zodiac weapon, I doubt it since they didn't do it for Ast/Mch/Drk. That being said though, they do have a bigger budget supposedly and may not be doing 3 jobs this go round. Going from 3 to 2 jobs (if that happens) and starting them at level 50 could reduce the amount of the amount of weapons that they have to model for the jobs. I'd kill if RDM got a "Save the Queen" rapier Anima weapon.