Why do my clothes suddenly fit?

My clothes suddenly fully fit at the rank and rank alone?

I don't seem to grow into my clothes, only at the level, optimum or required are the full effects granted to me. It feels strange.

Losing my argument perhaps, to start with a feeling. Shouldn't you gain greater affinity with each piece of clothing as you approach it's rank and gain more of it's abilities. XIV's simulated nature does not operate like you would expect in nature.

After all there are many items that require that base level to even equip, maybe I've been confused by the Optimal Rank idea.

Secondary benefits (I think of the lower half of each items stats as this) don't kick in until the item's rank is fully reached, I haven't looked how the top half stats are granted but they must slowly be accrued as you get closer... please they must still be.

This was easier when we all started sure, and for the dev's perhaps too easy, the benefits of being a few ranks within an items range seemed to flow thru for all stats early on, can't precisely remember when it changed so noticeably 1.17 or so perhaps?

I remember crafting making me rage quit around that time, so many more failures. Inventory just gone in a flash of, well, not even smoke! Then the 1.19 obsolete items list :mad: ouch so much work all undone, but back to the clothes fit and feel...

Nature, is my argument for all of the benefits of an item to accrue somehow in line with acquiring the rank of the item.... hmm maybe a mini case study for comarison.

Life jackets! Lets imagine a 20 year old and a 5 year old. The jacket will keep them both afloat sure, but what about those extras a life jacket comes with, like The Whistle. Yeah, ours have em, help you to be heard by rescuers. This is a more secondary function of the life-jacket I argue. The 20 year old that fills their lungs and blows hard on that whistle might be heard for kilometers, a 5 year old can for sure blow the whistle, but will the sound travel as far?

Some lifejackets have lights even, Shine and flash your rescuers, easier for the older more experienced individual to control. But the younger floater, will they be able to train the light upon oncoming ships or planes quite as well? Will being a few years older help them to keep on target with the light, or to blow that whistle harder and be heard from farther?

I argue Yes.

I would like all benefits to accrue as you approach rank, if it was too easy before, gimp it sure.. *groan* but give me some of those secondary benefits please. It will feel more natural.

Feelings... nothing more than feelings..... Faz.

Don't drink and op.

I'm in a borderline interpretation mode:

Tagging with Dev1157: If below an item's required level or not the favored class, the attributes will be reduced and bonus attributes will have no effect.

The bonus attributes being things such as the HP+, MP+, Flametongue effect, etc ~ the lower half of the stats.

Speaking of which...

think of the clothing like a snowboard, certain boards are for beginners and some are for advanced riders. it has to do with the stiffness and responsiveness. FFxiv clothing must be like that:)

It's an RPG, it's not supposed to be realistic.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

It's an RPG, it's not supposed to be realistic.

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shhh, your on the edge of ruining someones immersion,lol

My clothes don't fit either but I think its because of Thanksgiving, maybe at Christmas they will suddenly fit again. >.>

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Originally Posted by syntaxlies

shhh, your on the edge of ruining someones immersion,lol

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Syntaxlies go stand in the naughty corner for mentioning the "I" word.

The reason the equipment system is the way it is was because of a lot of people crying about vanity outfits. Instead of simply making every piece of armor have a level and class requirement, some pieces of equipment have looser restrictions so that people can wear something for looks. If this wasn't an issue then you'd be hard set into what you can and cannot wear just like any other MMO.

After hours of swinging your sword, your biceps finally fit your jerkin.

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If this wasn't an issue then you'd be hard set into what you can and cannot wear just like any other MMO.

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But I want this fantasy different! They tried so hard not to remake XI, and still created some great ideas in all this agony.

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Originally Posted by quantumsaint

After hours of swinging your sword, your biceps finally fit your jerkin.

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;<.<

>.>;

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Originally Posted by quantumsaint

After hours of swinging your sword, your biceps finally fit your jerkin.

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that only works if you regularly switch arms.

I always thought optimal rank was lame the way it was before back when we had almost no required level gear. But now that we do have required level gear, I believe optimal rank should start to give you half or less of the benefits by at least 4 levels below, and instead even 2 levels below you get no benefits, so it basically turns the piece into required but lies to you when it says "optimal", useless, no real difference between how the two work.

While I wouldn't get rid of required because honestly optimal was bs, optimal should work differently than required if it is still to exist in the game, and it should still exist since there isn't a gear piece for each level, and they won't make one lol, so optimal is needed for time periods inbetween required gear.

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that only works if you regularly switch arms.

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The way the Optimal and Favor gear was done before, there wasn't enough incentive for a high level player to outfit differently as a new class.

With the scaling benefits, gladiators or marauders could benefit greatly from a bronze haubergeon before level 27. The gap between weapons, at the higher levels, being a level or two below your next weapon was better than the NQ one you were wielding for optimal rank.

With the impact of optimal rank or non-favored being more significant now, I believe it encourages players who want to take their lower level classes seriously, to find a set of equipment that works for them (or get power leveled through that phase if applicable). And if the stats were not the objective, the gear can still be worn, as someone said, as a vanity item.

With class requirements and level requirements, with new equipment having optimal rank, it gets kind of confusing.

We'll see what happens howe'er.

Why can I suddenly legally drink the second I turn 21 years of age? (in America)

The neat thing about optimal age is that you can perform the activity befor... wait a minute!

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With the impact of optimal rank or non-favored being more significant now

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It'd be cool if the new effect was simply more significant, unfortunately it completely removes all effects including defense unless you are on level(defense is dropped something like 75%). Kind of defeats the purpose of "Optimal" Rank

LOL @ OP, I'm speechless!

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It'd be cool if the new effect was simply more significant, unfortunately it completely removes all effects including defense unless you are on level(defense is dropped something like 75%). Kind of defeats the purpose of "Optimal" Rank

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Not quite. The item is basically useless until you are 5 levels from optimal, after which the penalties become much smaller (item colour goes from gray to yellow, I believe). You still don't gain secondary stats until you're optimal, though.

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It'd be cool if the new effect was simply more significant, unfortunately it completely removes all effects including defense unless you are on level(defense is dropped something like 75%). Kind of defeats the purpose of "Optimal" Rank

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What exactly is the purpose of "Optimal" rank equip in dev's mind? or are you trying to make it seems like your idea of "Optimal" rank equip is what was intended by the dev's?

I see optimal ranking equip as a tool to satisfy roleplayer and only there as cosmetic purpose.

I know that equipping armor optimally 1 rank above me will give me far lower stats than equipping armor 8 levels optimally below me. This just isn't the way to go.

I just wish we weren't so limited to what we can wear. I'd rather they fix THAT than fix some level minimum for extra skills

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I know that equipping armor optimally 1 rank above me will give me far lower stats than equipping armor 8 levels optimally below me. This just isn't the way to go.

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From what I have seen this is no longer the case, check the gear, it will show gear 1 lvl below you, the secondary stats are grayed out, but 1 level above it is not the case.

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From what I have seen this is no longer the case, check the gear, it will show gear 1 lvl below you, the secondary stats are grayed out, but 1 level above it is not the case.

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I checked it last night and it was the case. Checked it with my 47 MRD who still has 39 gear on because of it.

It's true and it's slightly annoying that Optimum rank is really just Required Rank that you can wear before then but don't get /anything/ beneficial from. Working on my ARM lately I've been trying to find decent crafting gear so I won't break as much. There is some a couple levels away but all they give me for now is DEF and reduced at that which doesn't matter for a crafter. It's the extra stats that matter. So until I hit the gear level (20) I have to use Rank 10~12 gear just to get ANY benefits towards not breaking my supplies.

Nel, I wouldn't worry too much longer about that. They are adding new recipes next patch from what I believe, so hopefully it fills the gaps for crafting classes. I know how you feel >.>

Where did this 5 levels optimal come from, right now if I equip a piece two levels lower than me the stats are still grey and not yellow. That to me is ridiculous, 5 levels lower should be 50% reduction in stats at least or maybe 75%, but 2 levels lower I can only justify a 10-25% reduction in stats, grey means you get basically nothing from the gear, if at two levels lower than optimal its still grey.........sorry that just doesn't make any sense at all to me.

On crafting you do feel it the most, I mean when I made my linen coatee set I was 36, and its optimal 37 or 38 I believe, you get none of the extra stats for the linen coatee set at 36, you only get def, and on top of that if you do want gear that makes any difference you have to wear your old set till you get to 38, which by then you dye the gear(the coatee set) and it becomes required and more potent for your class. Thus making optimal again useless.

Also why stack mag craftmanship so much on gear pieces SE, almost as equally as craftmanship, when almost every crafting class uses craftmanship more than mag craft.

OMG time to get over this guys, almost every MMO and offline RPG has level restricted armour/weapons and whatnot, deal with it !

IMO they should remove this optimal rank gear from the game completely and with any luck this is what Yoshi is planning to do when they add more armour to the game.

Uh. . . if you don't want or care about immersion then why make a game that looks incredibly realistic and follows basic realistic laws?

Any player should be allowed to equip any piece of armor. It should be that way. Period.

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