PvP Idea's

Well we know Version 2.0 will be here next year, and we also know PvP will be there. I hope SE add varied versions of pvp type matches.

Team Death Match

As the name says it will be an team vs team match type style of pvp, first team to x amount of kills wins.


Capture the flag

This one explains it's self as well, two Teams go out and try to capture each other flags and bring it back to their base safely. First team to capture an flag 3 times is the winner.


Point control
3 Crystals spawn on map and each team that has an crystal under control gets 1 point per 3 secs. which ever team reaches the X amount of points is the winner.


Treasure Thief
This one each team has 5 chest that spawn at their base, 3/5 of the chest are mimics. Each team also has 2 players random spawn with keys on both teams they must defend, if the key holder is killed, the person who landed the final blow will be rewarded with the key to try to open an opposing enemy chest. If an mimic kills an player the key will drop to the ground allowing anyone to get it. First team to open 2 chest will win.(hope i explained that well enough >.>)



Tower Defense
Two teams have control of an tower, both teams objections are to destroy each others towers with BOMBS(the monsters). Only one bomb may be escorted by a team at once and cannot obtain another until the current bomb reaches the tower and explodes. If your bomb is destroyed while escorting it you will have to return to base and obtain another one. (Escorting the bombs will work similar to the summer event except wont have to do emotes to keep it moving and you can stop it at will at anytime, also can buff and cure the bomb.)

Protect the leader
Two teams will fight it out to kill the opposing teams captain and defend their own captain. First team to kill an captain wins the round first team to win 3 rounds is the winner.


Free for All
This one is self explanatory.

1vs1
This one is self explanatory as well.


Any other idea's you have for the future of PvP please share them, and tell me what you think of these modes for PvP.

i think the idea of ballista and Brenner in XI the best suited PvP for this game
but sure why not? its good to have some change but it will be a while because soe Classes are unbalanced atm "slightly"

Think these are great ideas.

All great ideas but I dont think they will do it like this, i think it will be very much like XI where you enter and zone and go nuts on each other. Would be epic though.

Or just a dual option.

While Yoshi says he loves PVP, i guarantee a lot of XIV player base don't.

I would like a free for all zone.

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Originally Posted by Eugenics

I would like a free for all zone.

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Yoshi allready said he wanted to implement this so i think your wish will be fullfilled.

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Originally Posted by Firon

Well we know Version 2.0 will be here next year, and we also know PvP will be there. I hope SE add varied versions of pvp type matches.

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Not saying you're right or wrong, but going off of the PDF's it explicitly states "After" not "at", "during", or "on" release.
You may or may not be literal in your statement, but everyone keeps thinking 2.0 is going to bring EVERYTHING into the game once it's released (or seems that way).


In relevance to the topic, this is what it says:

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Below are the main content additions planned for after version 2.0. New content announcements will be
made via patch notes.

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Primal Battles
Primal Summoning System
Dragon Battles of Ishgard
PvP Coliseum
PvP Frontlines
Crystal Tower
Wandering Odin
Labyrinth

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Two PvP venues, Coliseum and Frontlines, to be released after version 2.0. Unique zones to be created so
as not to affect non-participating players. Release of PvP-specific abilities, gear, and ranking.

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http://wdl.square-enix.com/ffxiv/dow...Content_EN.pdf

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Originally Posted by Firon

Any other idea's you have for the future of PvP please share them, and tell me what you think of these modes for PvP.

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I like all your suggestions & really hope SE can be this diverse during implementation. As long as PvP doesn't "take over" the community & doesn't break game balance then i can't wait to see what they come up with. Should be fun.

A big copy of the world that anyone from anyone world can tele to by do like 10 hours minimum of a quest then is alowed, exact copy if the world but open world pvp, and a player limit of like 100,000.

Didnt notice it said "ranking", sounds like a Aion type system but that has been a complete disaster and now hardly anyone PVPs. Hope SE dont make this mistake.

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Originally Posted by viion

Didnt notice it said "ranking", sounds like a Aion type system but that has been a complete disaster and now hardly anyone PVPs. Hope SE dont make this mistake.

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The only rewards for pvp should be medals and pvp tokens for getting more gear that's only good in pvp. They could do pvp how they do the hero's of the week only make it some one can only be @ top for an week.

I really loved getting gold medals in XI had tons of them over 100 gold over 200 silver and over 200 bronze

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Originally Posted by viion

While Yoshi says he loves PVP, i guarantee a lot of XIV player base don't.

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Did i miss the elections where we voted you to speak for the player base and guarantee ppl what said player base thinks?

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Originally Posted by Firon

Team Death Match

Capture the flag.

Point control

Tower Defense

Protect the leader

Free for All

1vs1

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All those tittles sure seem ver call of dookie or battlefieldish in name to me. I am thinking some more feral times and might and magicish names would be alot more appropriate.

On the subjust of liking or disliking PvP....well I have never played an MMO that PvP didn't ruin the game. Every good PvE ability will get horribly nerfed when they are complained about and the PvP fans blast the forums with complaints.

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Originally Posted by Coglin

All those tittles sure seem ver call of dookie or battlefieldish in name to me. I am thinking some more feral times and might and magicish names would be alot more appropriate.

On the subjust of liking or disliking PvP....well I have never played an MMO that PvP didn't ruin the game. Every good PvE ability will get horribly nerfed when they are complained about and the PvP fans blast the forums with complaints.

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Thats why pvp will have it's on skill set and also you must have not played enough pvp most of these types are common in pvp <.<

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Originally Posted by Firon

Thats why pvp will have it's on skill set

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If they spells/abilities work different or are set up different in PvP seperately in PvE so that they are adjusted and worked seperatelt, then I am all for it.

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Originally Posted by Firon

also you must have not played enough pvp most of these types are common in pvp

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as far as you other comment about my PvP experience, I am not sure what your getting at. Explain that for me if you would.

hmm i suck at pvp though , i hope it won't be high pride people's exclusive content.
" gtfo noob "
i hated those in WoW..
to be honest i even think PvP is unnecessary in this game..
just making bad atmosphere (in the game )
well i could enjoy Free For All though , there will be filled with players who hangs with friends and ls members

lets keep in mind that anything large scale will be 2.0 since we cant see more the 40 people on screen at a time, lol

I just hope that the "frontlines" will be like DAoC RvR. No more arena bulls**t like WoW and such. PvP in MMOs isn't supposed to be like Quake 3...

And well since Yoshida-san was an avid DAoC players, he knows what's good PvP is :p

The problem with PvP in XI, was that there was no way of bringing together people who wanted to PvP. If it had some sort of queue system like WoW, where you could do other stuff and then warp to the battle when enough people are in the queue, I think more people would have done it.

If they want to do PvP in this game, they need to make sure it's easy to find other people to PvP against. And they need to make sure I don't have to wait around for people to show up. I should be able to do other stuff while I wait. If they do cross-server PvP with a queue system, I think there will be a lot more participants than XI.

Wasn't the only issue on XI... the game was just slow paced and PvP wasn't fun enough to keep doing it often. From time to time with friends, yeah, it was amazing. But alone among random people ? Nope.

There was nothing to earn either...

If XI PvP had a ranking system, where top rankers would get an equivalent of Merits points (basically what we had in DAoC with Realm Rank), then believe me that more players would PvP, no matter how annoying it was to get there.

Sad to say, but nowadays, players won't do something in MMOs unless there is a reward. Look what happened to Pankration on XI. Nothing to win? It died.

even barring all the issues XI pvp had, the main issue is that you could never find anyone to do it with. I would have done it just for fun if I could ever find someone else to play against. If the game automatically put together all the people who suddenly had the urge to PvP, I probably would have at least got to do a few battles here and there. I'm sure XI had a decent amount of people who like the PvP, the problem was just getting them together in the same place and time.

But why would anyone do something that yield no reward...

The average XI player was trained well do boring, repetitve and stupid tasks. We all waited hours for our favorite NMs, travelled far away just to have a chance to get -that- piece of equipement, repeated fights over and over to get the drop we wanted etc.

Why? Cause there was something awaiting for us at the end of the road. If you take PvP, there was nothing (of value) to earn. Therefore it as impossible to find people PvP with. Wouldn't be the same thing if PvP could yield high tier items.

Note that I just talk in general, I did some Brenner with friends, it was fun, and I don't mind taking part in activities even if there is nothing to earn, yet most of players weren't like that. If people would camp Nidhogg and not Jormy back in the days, there was a reason. Drops.

Indeed, the reward plays a big part in determining what content gets played the most. However, if the content requires others in order to participate, then there needs to be a system in place in order to easily bring people together.

With regards to PvP, I think the system should be separate from any party forming feature. Because in a game where the PvP community is the minority, doing other group content takes precedence over PvP. I want to do PvP when I'm bored, but I also want to make myself available for PvE content as well. So I should be able to queue up for PvP, and do that while I also have my pt flag on for exp/merit party, dungeon raid etc.

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Originally Posted by Firon

Well we know Version 2.0 will be here next year, and we also know PvP will be there. I hope SE add varied versions of pvp type matches.

Team Death Match

As the name says it will be an team vs team match type style of pvp, first team to x amount of kills wins.


Capture the flag

This one explains it's self as well, two Teams go out and try to capture each other flags and bring it back to their base safely. First team to capture an flag 3 times is the winner.


Point control
3 Crystals spawn on map and each team that has an crystal under control gets 1 point per 3 secs. which ever team reaches the X amount of points is the winner.


Treasure Thief
This one each team has 5 chest that spawn at their base, 3/5 of the chest are mimics. Each team also has 2 players random spawn with keys on both teams they must defend, if the key holder is killed, the person who landed the final blow will be rewarded with the key to try to open an opposing enemy chest. If an mimic kills an player the key will drop to the ground allowing anyone to get it. First team to open 2 chest will win.(hope i explained that well enough >.>)



Tower Defense
Two teams have control of an tower, both teams objections are to destroy each others towers with BOMBS(the monsters). Only one bomb may be escorted by a team at once and cannot obtain another until the current bomb reaches the tower and explodes. If your bomb is destroyed while escorting it you will have to return to base and obtain another one. (Escorting the bombs will work similar to the summer event except wont have to do emotes to keep it moving and you can stop it at will at anytime, also can buff and cure the bomb.)

Protect the leader
Two teams will fight it out to kill the opposing teams captain and defend their own captain. First team to kill an captain wins the round first team to win 3 rounds is the winner.


Free for All
This one is self explanatory.

1vs1
This one is self explanatory as well.


Any other idea's you have for the future of PvP please share them, and tell me what you think of these modes for PvP.

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why only arena & coliseum ? (well Yoshida also mention about arena & coliseum) I do prefer mass pvp or something that force ppl to do/join a mass pvp like pvp to control a area/castle/sronghold

ninja edit: I think the tower defense & capture the flag is similar in some way, the rest are ok ok

PvPvE


Player vs Player vs NPC forces

It'll be total war! who wants some?

would love full open world pvp so i can camp some of the trolls on these forums.

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Originally Posted by Andrien

PvPvE


Player vs Player vs NPC forces

It'll be total war! who wants some?

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I do ! and I ll prefer the NPC side have infantry in number equal with player as well, because if NPC are only 3-4 but with a lot of hp the NPC side will surely lost the pvp

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Originally Posted by Andrien

PvPvE


Player vs Player vs NPC forces

It'll be total war! who wants some?

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Would be nice but NPC's would really need a good AI.

I would like to see a new big area with some castles, and u can conquest the castle with your party, the winners will control the castle and get some rewards while u control it. Battles might be only 2 days at week, for example.
something like WoE from Ragnarok online!

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Originally Posted by Xquiel

I would like to see a new big area with some castles, and u can conquest the castle with your party, the winners will control the castle and get some rewards while u control it. Battles might be only 2 days at week, for example.
something like WoE from Ragnarok online!

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They do have plans for area's that ppl can take over

I Like PvP and i would play it. I just hope SE decides to create some incentives to do it so people that never liked PvP would do it just for the rewards, it can be PvP point for gears/meds/materials.

If they only hope for the PvP-oriented player for PvP content, it will ends up like Ballita/Brenner.

I don't really want to see open world PvP, but having some engaging PvP offerings could create a vibrant community within FFXIV itself.

Going up against other players is the only true test of skill since you'll be up against intelligent opponents with unexpected tactics, unlike your typical, scripted PvE fights where the routine is completely predictable. And online fighting games are immensely popular just for the thrill of the combat itself, even without the need for special rewards. PvP has huge replay value, even with a minimum of updates, that keep people entertained for ages.

Really, the best kind of question that needs answering is why did FFXI's Ballista, Brenner, and even Pankration never really gain any momentum after they were introduced? They were popular for a time, but seemed to fade out, almost tragically. If you could solve that problem, then PvP would be a welcome addition to the game, I'm sure.

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Originally Posted by AmyRae

Really, the best kind of question that needs answering is why did FFXI's Ballista, Brenner, and even Pankration never really gain any momentum after they were introduced? They were popular for a time, but seemed to fade out, almost tragically. If you could solve that problem, then PvP would be a welcome addition to the game, I'm sure.

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To answer that question, It simply wasn't rewarding, and served no purpose except to kill time.

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Originally Posted by Coglin

On the subjust of liking or disliking PvP....well I have never played an MMO that PvP didn't ruin the game. Every good PvE ability will get horribly nerfed when they are complained about and the PvP fans blast the forums with complaints.

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They could do it like Ragnarok
Make another rules for PvP and let the PvE rules the same

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Disabled Skills

The follow skills cannot be cast within castles:

Assumptio
Back Slide
Basilica
Cultivate Plant
Endure effect(still gives to you +10 MDEF bonus)
Hocus-pocus (iRO only)
Ice Wall
Sheltering Bliss
Snatch
Teleport
Warp Portal

Skills cast outside the castle will not disappear upon entering. Using items that activate the skill will also fail, but Autocast equipment can grant the skills in a castle.

Battle Mechanic Changes

Flee is reduced by 20%.
Long range normal attacks are reduced by 25%.
All skill-based damage except Gloria, Domini and Gravitational Field is reduced by 50%.
Traps last 4 times as long.
All knock back effects are disabled. Some skills like Cicada Skin Shed may lose some functionality due to this.
Equipment preventing skills to be canceled during casting (phen card and similar items) do not function.

Other Gameplay Changes

/noctrl does not work; players must hold down the mouse button for normal attacks.
Damage numbers do not appear.
/mineffect is automatically activated.
A character's guild emblem is shown above their head.
Death does not cause experience loss.

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http://irowiki.org/wiki/WOE

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Originally Posted by Andrien

To answer that question, It simply wasn't rewarding, and served no purpose except to kill time.

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Isn't the reward coming out on top against other human opponents?

But if it's acclaim you want for having done that, I'm sure the achievement system can hand you a few trophies for doing a good job. :p

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Originally Posted by AmyRae

I don't really want to see open world PvP, but having some engaging PvP offerings could create a vibrant community within FFXIV itself.

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about this, Yoshida once said there ll only be a few area in the standard world, if there are a lot of request they might consider make a separate server with fully open world pvp. So be at ease.

edit: in my case, I hope when Yoshida say Open world pvp = pk system