MSQ SPOILERS!!! Question

Sorry if it's obvious and I just missed it but what primal was the Griffin trying to summon? Supposedly something stronger than Bahamut himself but I can't think which one. Sorry if this is in the wrong section.

I don't think anyone knows, really. We can make guesses though. A friend and I were thinking Neo Bahamut, Bahamut Zero, Anima (FFX), or maybe Hades. Some people were saying Rhaar, since that's who the resistance guys were calling for when they died, but he's one of the Twelve so I don't think that's possible. But who knows.

Most likely Rhalgr, the Destroyer, one of the Twelve and the patron deity of Ala Mhigo.

Also, for story and/or lore related questions, we have a Lore subforum here under the Gameplay section. There's currently a 3.5 story topic in there if you want to see further speculation.

I think they were trying to summon Rhalgr personally. Like Amariel said, the one guy was calling out for him as he died.

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Originally Posted by Mysteltain

Most likely Rhalgr, the Destroyer, one of the Twelve and the patron deity of Ala Mhigo.

Also, for story and/or lore related questions, we have a Lore subforum here under the Gameplay section. There's currently a 3.5 story topic in there if you want to see further speculation.

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Yeah I figured one of the twelve wouldn't make much sense but who knows. I'll check out that section of he forum. Thanks for the tip :)

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Originally Posted by DaikiKiyoshi

Yeah I figured one of the twelve wouldn't make much sense but who knows. I'll check out that section of he forum. Thanks for the tip :)

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Technically if they summoned Rhalgr as a Primal he wouldn't actually be Rhalgr. More than likely though the Griffin aka Ilberd will be the new Primal's conscience similar to what happened with both Phoenix and King Thordan since he was directly tied to it's creation. On the off chance that's not the case, then more than likely it'll be something similar to Good King Moogle Mog XII whose primal was influenced by what his people thought of him and not actually having his traits. Since the Ala Mhigans who died at the battle wished for the power to crush their enemies, it's safe to say that this primal will probably not be benevolent like the actual Rhalgr.

I can see it being the Ala Mhigan resistance ideal of Rhalgr

Louisoix would have risked summoning primal versions of the 12 if he didn't stop the ritual, which he planned on doing.

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The Archon’s plan was to summon the Twelve using forbidden arts known only to him. With their combined strength, he was certain that he could prevent the fall of the lesser moon. Such strength, however, posed a threat in itself. Should Eorzea’s patron deities assume physical form, it seemed more than likely that they would be prone to the same appetites as the gods of the beastmen. Should that prove the case, their mere presence would bleed the land of life. And so Louisoix would instead call upon a fraction of the Twelve’s power—enough to stay Dalamud’s descent, and no more.
“It seems a fine balance to strike. Are you certain you can do it?”
Louisoix’s voice was distant. “Mayhap not. But the Twelve cannot be suffered to set foot upon Eorzean soil.” And then, head bowed, he told her the rest.

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http://www.finalfantasyxiv.com/anniv...?rgn=na&lng=en

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Originally Posted by Mysteltain

Most likely Rhalgr, the Destroyer, one of the Twelve and the patron deity of Ala Mhigo.

Also, for story and/or lore related questions, we have a Lore subforum here under the Gameplay section. There's currently a 3.5 story topic in there if you want to see further speculation.

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I agree. It was most likely Rhalgr.

I'm still in the Shinryu camp, given the context. Rhalgr seems too obvious whereas Shinryu has a fairly consistent 'rivalry' with Omega since their debut in FFV.

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I wouldn't be so sure of that not beeing the actuall Rhalgr.
The rule of creating something new out of their imagination only applies for beeings that where not primals before like Good KIng Moogle Mog and Shiva which were a living Moggle and Elezen in the past, for all we know the twelve are nothing different from Primals like Garuda and such (don't forget they are gods for the wild tribes) and as far as I know we do fight the actuall gods, at least as far as the game tells us.

I don't know why, but I thought it was the coming of Omega, myself. Then I remembered that Omega's buried underground and is likely NOT considered a Primal. The only thing I can think of that'd be worse than a Primal (aside from Bahamut) would be something like Necron from the end of Final Fantasy 9.

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Originally Posted by Tam_Hawkins

I wouldn't be so sure of that not beeing the actuall Rhalgr.
The rule of creating something new out of their imagination only applies for beeings that where not primals before like Good KIng Moogle Mog and Shiva which were a living Moggle and Elezen in the past, for all we know the twelve are nothing different from Primals like Garuda and such (don't forget they are gods for the wild tribes) and as far as I know we do fight the actuall gods, at least as far as the game tells us.

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Actually, I think I read somewhere that Garuda is actually based on distorted legends of the Allagan researcher in charge of creating the Iksalions (who later became the Ixal)? Something in the Lore book, maybe? It's entirely possible that EVERY Primal has some real, historical figure behind it, but most have been lost to myth and legend.

We have direct evidence that Shiva and Bahamut bear little resemblance to their "real" selves, and Moggle Mog is likely in a similar boat. Until given other evidence, it's logical to assume that all primals work the same way; they are constructs created from the prayers of their followers who may have no resemblance to their original selves (if there even WAS an original self to begin with).

Personally, I don't think that any summoning of Rhalgr can be assumed to be the "real" Rhalgr, unless the game makes it explicit.

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There's no precedence for one of the twelve becoming a primal, so it's entirely possible that it will become Rhalgr. Though, if the summoned primal doesn't look like a wizened mage with a bronze staff, then it definitely isn't the real Rhalgr.

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Originally Posted by LineageRazor

Actually, I think I read somewhere that Garuda is actually based on distorted legends of the Allagan researcher in charge of creating the Iksalions (who later became the Ixal)? Something in the Lore book, maybe? It's entirely possible that EVERY Primal has some real, historical figure behind it, but most have been lost to myth and legend.

We have direct evidence that Shiva and Bahamut bear little resemblance to their "real" selves, and Moggle Mog is likely in a similar boat. Until given other evidence, it's logical to assume that all primals work the same way; they are constructs created from the prayers of their followers who may have no resemblance to their original selves (if there even WAS an original self to begin with).

Personally, I don't think that any summoning of Rhalgr can be assumed to be the "real" Rhalgr, unless the game makes it explicit.

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Garuda was actually the allagan general who was in charge. The Iksalions were genetically programmed to be very loyal to their command structure so its not surprising that the figure they mistakenly interpret their former military leader as their deity. That's also why Garuda has a human like appearance.

Primals aren't ever the real manifestation of anything. They are literally gods born out of belief. Koji has elaborated on this in interview before. If Ifrit was summoned by a completely different group who's belief on what Ifrit was like was different too the Ifrit summoned would take the form of the image and nature of the different group. It all comes down to what the summo

ners believe. We get a taste of this in 3.4 when we see titan that behaves very different to its usual behaviour due to the source of its summoning.

The primal in the glowy sky ball is almost certainly Rhalgr. In stills of the seal forming you can see a pair of human like feet in the middle of all the light.

Rhalgr the Destroyer: it's the the Ala Mhigan deity and what the dying Mhigan resistance guys were probably praying to. Just to add more it almost happened more than once in the Little Ala Mhigo story.

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Originally Posted by Tam_Hawkins

I wouldn't be so sure of that not beeing the actuall Rhalgr.
The rule of creating something new out of their imagination only applies for beeings that where not primals before like Good KIng Moogle Mog and Shiva which were a living Moggle and Elezen in the past, for all we know the twelve are nothing different from Primals like Garuda and such (don't forget they are gods for the wild tribes) and as far as I know we do fight the actuall gods, at least as far as the game tells us.

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What your point really boils down to is: Does Rhalgr exist? If Rhalgr (and the rest of the Twelve) actually exist, then the thing that is summoned is not Rhalgr, but a distorted approximation of him. if Rhalgr doesn't exist in some form, then this primal is the "real" Rhalgr because that's the only Rhalgr that will ever be in the world.

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Originally Posted by Beckett

What your point really boils down to is: Does Rhalgr exist? If Rhalgr (and the rest of the Twelve) actually exist, then the thing that is summoned is not Rhalgr, but a distorted approximation of him. if Rhalgr doesn't exist in some form, then this primal is the "real" Rhalgr because that's the only Rhalgr that will ever be in the world.

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More or less,
I should have said a bit more there I think.
If I understand the game and the lore right then Primals can be created, BUT when created once they will go back into the aether if destroyed and wait here for their next summon.
So what I meant is what if the Twelve always were Primals? They were summoned once, did their thing, walked back into the aether and the People remembered these powerfull beeings and started worshipping them and now Rhalgr gets resummoned?

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Originally Posted by Mysteltain

Most likely Rhalgr, the Destroyer, one of the Twelve and the patron deity of Ala Mhigo.

Also, for story and/or lore related questions, we have a Lore subforum here under the Gameplay section. There's currently a 3.5 story topic in there if you want to see further speculation.

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"Let's summon the whole damn 12.... what could go wrong?"

I love villain logic.

It's probably Rhalgr. What's worrying if it is Rhalgr we'll likely see people attempting to summon others of the twelve.

need to recheck the trailer, because i thought there was a clip of alphinaud mentioning omega as an old relic or something. so,,,part 2? 3,55

That is the question. Was he properly summoned, or was an abomination summoned instead. The abomination known a Anima who represents darkness and death.

It would be so cool if it looked like Anima. I'd love to see him in game. But someone said they saw human feet in the ball of light, so it's most likely not him. But we need Anima in game. And Hades. Hades would be soooo cool. I've also wondered if they will ever add Emerald and Ruby Weapons. I still rage at Emerald's insta-kill attack. :P