Hive Mind / Mob Mentality

I'm incredibly exhausted right now, so this won't be quite the post that I have in my mind. However, I feel it's pertinent to get this message out there. Do not let the voices of other others opinions corrupt your expectations for the coming expansion. Expect a fun interesting new main story quest and additional classes with a new combat system that may turn out to be better than the current one.

You will enjoy the expansion so much more if you don't read about it constantly or try and debate and uncover things. The people who tend to try and uncover every stone before they're laid also tend to be the ones least content with the additions to the game. I used to do this for other games namely WoW and I was incredibly disappointed with MoP & WoD. Going into Legion blind was the best decision I ever made.

Just enjoy the game, and don't spend too much time on deliberating future content or you just wind up setting yourself up for disappointment by having expectations too high.

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It's because I love the game that I have concerns about it's future. This is probably my favorite FF title after FFVI.

In other words, have a stadium full of seats, Jaded Endgamer Brigade.

Phew, sure glad I had the Internet Thought Police to put me back in line here. I was almost starting to become capable of critical analysis.

For what it's worth, OP, your post wouldn't bother me if it were presented more in the form of friendly advice. But your original tone smacks way too much of telling people to shut up because they're discussing potentially unpleasant things that you don't feel like reading about.

This isn't new. gamers put their expectations way too high, and as a result, games don't live up to their expectations. I'm so happy you figured this out. You'll be so much happier for realizing it. Unfortunately, people don't like change, and will refuse to stop basking in stubbornness. All you can do is let time do it's magic, and wait for them. Eventually they'll come to similar conclusions.

I trash talk this game's faults at least once a week, doesn't mean I don't still love it and play it everyday. The expansion will have somethings I like and some things I don't, that's just life. I'm still super hyped and will remain so!

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Originally Posted by loreleidiangelo

Phew, sure glad I had the Internet Thought Police to put me back in line here. I was almost starting to become capable of critical analysis.

For what it's worth, OP, your post wouldn't bother me if it were presented more in the form of friendly advice. But your original tone smacks way too much of telling people to shut up because they're discussing potentially unpleasant things that you don't feel like reading about.

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you took it that way. that's not his fault.

I agree with the "gamers have way too lofty expectations nowadays" part.
Lots of games are actually really good, but because the loud ones expected whatever crazy thing they could dream up, they are instantly branded as "disappointments".
That really bothers me, because it stops people from buying them even though they are absolutely fine.
When have we stopped just taking something, seeing how we like it and THEN judge instead of deciding if it will fail or not even before it's out because we already made up our mind that:
"if it does not have X or does not do Y which are things I expect it to have, then it's already decided it will suck".
That's so stupid..

Not agreeing with the whole "you can't be critical about it beforehand" thing though.
Some people get enjoyment out of debating and theorizing, some people love to know every little detail beforehand and do not mind if there are no surprises left.
There's nothing wrong with that, let them do it. If you don't enjoy it, just stay away from it^^

Most critiques come from genuine love. Few of us talking the time to post here want to see the game fail. That being said, we're entitled to our opinions and concerns just as you are yours. If I see the game moving in a direction I do not personally find appealing, I'll voice my concerns. You are under no obligation to agree nor do I expect everyone to feel the same way, but I find it a silly notion we should stay quiet and accept whatever the devs decide is best.

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Originally Posted by Bertolt

Do not let the voices of other others opinions corrupt your expectations for the coming expansion.

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I'm sorry, but I don't need other voices to see that

Heavensward:
1 new race
3 new jobs

Stormblood:
no new races
2 new jobs

what's next, only 1 expert dungeon? I'm kidding, but it doesn't look too promising.

Woh! Putting any game next to VI is saying something.
But yea, I agree to an extent. I think OPs point still stands though. Besides, what difference does it make if you scour through all the info, you're still getting the same product.

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Originally Posted by SuperZay

I'm sorry, but I don't need other voices to see that

Heavensward:
1 new race
3 new jobs

Stormblood:
no new races
2 new jobs

what's next, only 1 expert dungeon? I'm kidding, but it doesn't look too promising.

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Actually, I find that more promising. I want more content to participate in, not to have funds allotted to another job we don't even need. Races are purely aesthetic and once again, I would much prefer adding to our current customization options than wasting resources on a new race entirely.

I think OP is actually just concerned for people who just so happen to be easily affected by negativity in general no matter what form and this message is most likely aimed towards them. There are so many ways to express ones concerns and it's not always clear to everyone. Just try to read between the lines, set yourself in OP's mood and don't get stuck on technicalities or projections. I honestly just think he means well.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

Races are purely aesthetic and once again, I would much prefer adding to our current customization options than wasting resources on a new race entirely.

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Sure, but we'll have neither.

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Originally Posted by SuperZay

I'm sorry, but I don't need other voices to see that

Heavensward:
1 new race
3 new jobs

Stormblood:
no new races
2 new jobs

what's next, only 1 expert dungeon? I'm kidding, but it doesn't look too promising.

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Unless I am mistaken XI (which so many like to compare to) did rather well with no races being introduced at all. Atleast from what I am able to look up as well one of the CoP had no additional jobs and WoG had two instead of three so just using XI as a basis this isn't new. As Bourne says as well this means more resources for the devs to put towards other parts of the expansion from story to character customization to those inventory expansions. Just as possiblities mind.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

That remains to be seen. Stormblood has triple the budget, thus they will be spending it on something. Now it could be useless content like say, Blitzball. Still, I'll reserve judgment until we see it.

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Very much reserve judgement as to my understanding this is still more rumor then anything else. At the least I have not seen anyone actually produce evidence beyond hearsay about hearing it from someone else.

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Originally Posted by SuperZay

Sure, but we'll have neither.

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That remains to be seen. Stormblood has triple the budget, thus they will be spending it on something. Now it could be useless content like say, Blitzball. Still, I'll reserve judgment until we see it.

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Originally Posted by SuperZay

Sure, but we'll have neither.

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And you know that from...where? SE has said absolutely nothing about their plans in regards to character customization.
It might be coming, it might be not. We as players know nothing about it (except that with the PS3 gone, it would definitely be prettier, because one of the reasons for low res on more detailed horns, hairstyle, etc. was the PS3's limited memory).

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

That remains to be seen. Stormblood has triple the budget, thus they will be spending it on something.

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It's a false rumor which was never confirmed. Stop repeating it.
Some troll on gamefaqs created a trollpost and posted a link to SE investors relations site but these numbers are not in that link, in fact there was not a single word about Stormblood. The same post said there will be Viera race in 4.0.
That original post in question.

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Originally Posted by RaijinSupreme

you took it that way. that's not his fault.

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What is there to misinterpret about language like "do not", and "you will" and "just [do this]"? Coupled with an extremely polarizing thread title calling folks with legitimate grievances a hive mind/mob? I don't think I misunderstood anything - this is a veiled "complaining about complainers" post, and I call them like I see them.

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Originally Posted by SuperZay

Heavensward:
1 new race
3 new jobs

Stormblood:
no new races
2 new jobs

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I like to think of it this way, due to them not having to spend so many more man hours on new designs for races/classes they are able to put that time into developing actual content. Jobs are always a nice extra but there is currently enough jobs. it's hard enough trying to get them all leveled! as for races they don't really add anything to the game itself. look at Au Ra. you don't really see anyone using them anymore. when heavensward released loads of people changed to it but now have changed back.

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Originally Posted by SuperZay

Sure, but we'll have neither.

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Oh, yeah? Prove it.

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Originally Posted by ffchampion

I like to think of it this way, due to them not having to spend so many more man hours on new designs for races/classes they are able to put that time into developing actual content. Jobs are always a nice extra but there is currently enough jobs. it's hard enough trying to get them all leveled! as for races they don't really add anything to the game itself. look at Au Ra. you don't really see anyone using them anymore. when heavensward released loads of people changed to it but now have changed back.

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There is never enough jobs. We could say that 1 healer, 1 tank and 1 dps job was enough, but having more adds variety. Also, jobs are the MAIN POINT of interest for new players to join.

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Originally Posted by shady_shade

I think OP is actually just concerned for people who just so happen to be easily affected by negativity in general no matter what form and this message is most likely aimed towards them. There are so many ways to express ones concerns and it's not always clear to everyone. Just try to read between the lines, set yourself in OP's mood and don't get stuck on technicalities or projections. I honestly just think he means well.

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Thank you. :)

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Originally Posted by SuperZay

I'm sorry, but I don't need other voices to see that

Heavensward:
1 new race
3 new jobs

Stormblood:
no new races
2 new jobs

what's next, only 1 expert dungeon? I'm kidding, but it doesn't look too promising.

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Supposedly the budget for Stormblood is much higher compared to HW so hopefully we'll get quality content instead of quantity. I'm not implying content in HW is bad but it's a bit "samey".

Edit: PotD is one of the better addititions to the game due to randomly generated floors. Now if they could expand on that with bigger floors and variations they could keep many players happy between patches. Quality content keeps players happy months after a patch so that's definitely needed. Now if we could have catch the flag for pvp i'd be a happy Roe.

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Originally Posted by SuperZay

It's a false rumor which was never confirmed. Stop repeating it.

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It's not a false rumor.

It's an alternative fact.

;)

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Originally Posted by SpookyGhost

It's not a false rumor.

It's an alternative fact.

;)

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Link to reference?

Triple budget won't mean anything if they blow it on cinematics. And they will. Because that's SE's MO. Unless changes are mindblowing huge I doubt the triple budget will help much. But I highly doubt it.

Again with this triple budget misbelief. I really wish this would stop getting spread, even after making a thread about it myself people are still spreading it

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Originally Posted by Daranion

Again with this triple budget misbelief. I really wish this would stop getting spread, even after making a thread about it myself people are still spreading it

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Is there a budget increase or not? All i've seen thrown around is "yes, no, maybe", so which is it? Triple budget sounds unrealistic even from a player point of view.

If there's more money involved in Stormblood it does set some expectations for future content.

It was just a rumor people spread. The only claim involving budget was them saying for the first time they're gonna reinvest back into the game rather than giving Square as a whole their profits. This was only referring to server upgrades for more inventory. THAT'S IT. That's all we know

I want to believe stormblood will be great but I'm expecting more recycled stuff and dull content design on a gameplay standpoint.

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Originally Posted by Daranion

It was just a rumor people spread. The only claim involving budget was them saying for the first time they're gonna reinvest back into the game rather than giving Square as a whole their profits. This was only referring to server upgrades for more inventory. THAT'S IT. That's all we know

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Either way i hope they have a game plan to spice things up a bit in Stormblood, bigger budget or not.

Has S-E released any information regarding Heavenswards revenue between software sales, sub fees and such?

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Originally Posted by SuperZay

It's a false rumor which was never confirmed. Stop repeating it.
Some troll on gamefaqs created a trollpost and posted a link to SE investors relations site but these numbers are not in that link, in fact there was not a single word about Stormblood. The same post said there will be Viera race in 4.0.
That original post in question.

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His own speculation was the suppose increased budget meant Viera would happen. There is no mention of it being guaranteed.