SE should get what they never had

SE should get what they have never had since the release of this game... Time! People complain about what this game is lacking, what it needs to improve, what needs fixed, and what needs added. Well I do not think SE will gain any fans by pushing to re-open the servers in a week. Keep them down for a month or more, whatever is needed to get this game on track. They need to take the time right now to help themselves and their families before they get back to work. However when they do decide to go back to work the priority should not be opening the servers asap. No I think they should fix everything while we, the players, are taking a break. No matter if they re-open the server in 1 week or 1 month there will be the same number of people that will leave the game and not come back, and the same number of people sitting on the edge of their seats waiting for the game to come back. I say if you are going to bring it back then bring it back with the changes we are looking for. This game has been rushed from day one. That is the problem. This earthquake / tsunami is a horrible tragedy. But of all things bad can come something good. I say put us Final Fantasy fans in suspense waiting for the re-release of Final Fantasy XIV the way it was meant to be played. A complete game we can all be proud of and something we can make fun of other MMO players who haven’t spent the last 6 or more months getting their Eorozean character to physical level 50.

For those of you who are impatient and want the game back now I ask you this. Would you rather play the game again tomorrow and wait 6 months to a year for them to implement all the updates they want, or can you wait a little while and play something else and get this game back better than ever? Tell me your thoughts.

Sadly you have a great point but I think because it is a temporary thing it's not going to change their scheduling priorities at all. Tanaka should have just called off a 2010 launch back in alpha. I'm happy with the outcome though, I feel like I'm playing beta but I get to keep my character. It's a good escape even if the game is a lot more incomplete than I ever realized.

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Originally Posted by Neptune

Tanaka should have just called off a 2010 launch back in alpha.

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Agreed. There were beta forums full of testers screaming that it wasn't ready and imploring SE to push back the launch date.

First impressions are everything.

But I think time is something they don't have. Even Yoshi-P has said that time is of the essence, and swift action must be taken to get things back on track.

The earthquake tragedy couldn't have come at a worse time for SE.

This is a difficult thought, its like whats your favorite video game (its simple at first but then blurs as you think about it). I have to say that the game seams perfect to me and i would like to play sooner than to wait. I wouldn't mind a week or even a month of offline mode for the people of japan, but not for game updates.

I don't understand why you believe keeping the servers down would reduce the time it takes to
"fix" the game. I very much doubt that the Mods or Network people also dual skill into programming and artists.

Creation of new content takes time, the servers being on isn't going to slow that down.

So my question is this - if for example, it takes 6 months to "fix" this game regardless, would you rather spend that time playing or sitting with your thumb up your unmentionable area?

Give them time, stop looking for the world to be made in 7 days.

And here I thought they needed hugs ;-;


Sorry no FF make me goofy >.>;

Ya, SE didn't have time to make this game. They only had a working tech-demo ready in 2005.

Tanaka was probably not the person who said "We're releasing this day." it was most likely Wada. Surprisingly hes been really quiet since Tanaka stepped down from a full time producer job to just being a consultant/lowlevel exec at the company.

Given another year, Tanaka probably wouldn't have saved this game.

It's not time constraints that screwed FFXIV over, it was Tanaka.

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Originally Posted by PennywisE

I don't understand why you believe keeping the servers down would reduce the time it takes to
"fix" the game. I very much doubt that the Mods or Network people also dual skill into programming and artists.

Creation of new content takes time, the servers being on isn't going to slow that down.

So my question is this - if for example, it takes 6 months to "fix" this game regardless, would you rather spend that time playing or sitting with your thumb up your unmentionable area?

Give them time, stop looking for the world to be made in 7 days.

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I could not have said it better myself (’-’*) フフ

My heart go's out to Japan and I hope they recover from this sad and unfortunate event. I have no issues about the servers being down at this time. but to keep them down for 6 months so they can fix everything would just kill the game. Thats 6 months to get stuck into Rift or some other MMO due to be released soon. I say get the server back on and continue freeplay until they are ready for the BIG update that will solve all the issues.

SE should get what they never had... Servers in the US.

I agree with PennywisE and Kurai. The servers being down does not have any impact whatsoever on the rate at which SE can produce new content for the game.

I don't know why so many people keep thinking things would go faster if the servers were taken down. They wouldn't go faster at all. They would still go at the same rate they're going at now. We just wouldn't be able to see it.

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Originally Posted by DavidLocksley

SE should get what they have never had since the release of this game... Time! People complain about what this game is lacking, what it needs to improve, what needs fixed, and what needs added. Well I do not think SE will gain any fans by pushing to re-open the servers in a week. Keep them down for a month or more, whatever is needed to get this game on track. They need to take the time right now to help themselves and their families before they get back to work. However when they do decide to go back to work the priority should not be opening the servers asap. No I think they should fix everything while we, the players, are taking a break. No matter if they re-open the server in 1 week or 1 month there will be the same number of people that will leave the game and not come back, and the same number of people sitting on the edge of their seats waiting for the game to come back. I say if you are going to bring it back then bring it back with the changes we are looking for. This game has been rushed from day one. That is the problem. This earthquake / tsunami is a horrible tragedy. But of all things bad can come something good. I say put us Final Fantasy fans in suspense waiting for the re-release of Final Fantasy XIV the way it was meant to be played. A complete game we can all be proud of and something we can make fun of other MMO players who haven’t spent the last 6 or more months getting their Eorozean character to physical level 50.

For those of you who are impatient and want the game back now I ask you this. Would you rather play the game again tomorrow and wait 6 months to a year for them to implement all the updates they want, or can you wait a little while and play something else and get this game back better than ever? Tell me your thoughts.

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I agree for the most part. You do make a good point.

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Originally Posted by Neptune

Sadly you have a great point but I think because it is a temporary thing it's not going to change their scheduling priorities at all. Tanaka should have just called off a 2010 launch back in alpha. I'm happy with the outcome though, I feel like I'm playing beta but I get to keep my character. It's a good escape even if the game is a lot more incomplete than I ever realized.

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Also very true. The game should have been delayed. I think everyone agrees it came out broken and quite 'crap' in comparison to the hype.


I would personally prefer it just stay down for a month or so. If they can work on a lot of updates, and get them done.. I would love to have a product/game that is a little more complete. Anything to get it nearer to 100% 'sooner'

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Originally Posted by TonyMontana

SE should get what they never had... Servers in the US.

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Well I do not know as much about the creation of this game as some of you, and I have never heard of this working demo in 2005. This is what I do know, when the beta/alpha, whatever you want to call it came out players told the creators to wait unit there was more content before they released the game. They did not do this. I also know that the developers now are getting 4 hours at best twice a month to add content. I honestly believe that that is not enough. I am sorry so many of you didn’t like my post but rather than complaining about how bad this game is I would rather them spend time fixing it, instead of making sure we get our gladiator from lvl 30 to lvl 40. I want a complete game. If you read these forums they are littered with great ideas. Barber shops, map notes, new races, and company system ideas. I like this stuff and it makes me sad that the best response people have is "good post but SE has bigger things to worry about." I disagree, this is the content we need and I would rather not wait till 2012 to get it.

here is a video from 2005
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgtZvn5c4e4

It was called rapture back then.

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Originally Posted by DavidLocksley

Well I do not know as much about the creation of this game as some of you, and I have never heard of this working demo in 2005. This is what I do know, when the beta/alpha, whatever you want to call it came out players told the creators to wait unit there was more content before they released the game. They did not do this. I also know that the developers now are getting 4 hours at best twice a month to add content. I honestly believe that that is not enough. I am sorry so many of you didn’t like my post but rather than complaining about how bad this game is I would rather them spend time fixing it, instead of making sure we get our gladiator from lvl 30 to lvl 40. I want a complete game. If you read these forums they are littered with great ideas. Barber shops, map notes, new races, and company system ideas. I like this stuff and it makes me sad that the best response people have is "good post but SE has bigger things to worry about." I disagree, this is the content we need and I would rather not wait till 2012 to get it.

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Content is great and all but they need to get the mechanics of the game dealt with more.. One being combat. It's ok but needs work. Some of the chat channels like /tell needs some work. Get the mechanics working better mainly and yes tiny bits here and there of content.

Once the mechanics are taken care of and more fluid then hammer out content. It might suck for you to not get what you want. They should bring the servers up when they can and continue doing what they can to get things designed, adjusted, etc and out. love it or leave it.

I would rather keep playing now than wait 6 months. No one is forcing anyone to play, if you wanna take a 6 month leave thats up to you but i know me and my LS want to keep playing. Of course I do support SE taking all the time they need getting the servers back up with respect to the crisis in Japan rite now.

You should never ride on the success of one game to sell another. Sadly, that seems to have happened to FFXIV. It would seem as though whoever was in charged relied on the synergy from FFXIII to sell FFXIV and for the most part , it would seem like it succeeded in some small ways. But it left the MMO in a difficult position. With the new heads in charge and the direction the game is going, I have faith that we'll have the game we've been waiting for someday. As someone who was ranting and raving at launch and quit shortly afterward, I'm having fun again. I'm looking forward to what this game brings. It just better bring some damn greatswords.

Well, dispite what is currently going on in japan. I belive the severs may come back up with the first few patches to the battle system.
Tokyo is largely uneffected except for schedualed power cuts designed to allow buisness's to continue day to day trade. So, ASIDE from personal/family issues with the Devs and the general SE staff (praying they're all ok). They techincally have 1~4+ weeks to work on the current patches and some of the future game "theory" they have to go through before even sitting down to code anything. (Main Story direction, quests with CS, Ishgaurd, Chocobos, airships, the "jump" feature, black shroud redesign, area collision algorythms, ability redistruibtion/final battle system adjustments, there is lots and lots to do...)
I hope this is a blessing in-disguise for the future of 14. As a company they should be aiming to use this down time to their advantage.
NOT TRYING TO TAKE AWAY FROM THE TERRIBLE STATE OF THEIR COUNTY... but... SE has a temporary breather as far as ff14 developement is concernd. Good luck to them.
(This is after all one aspect -albeit a mid/longer term one- to helping rebuilding japans bruised ecnomomy. No?)

kam ^^

I agree the servers being down and the reason for it doesnt change anything but our ability to get our gaming fix. It's funny that some people think that writing a program and the constructs of a video game are the same. well they are not, there is a reason it takes millions of dollars and hundred of program and graphics engineers years to make a playable MMO. If everyone on the planet used the exact same system and internet connection it would cut some of that time down but would require no less people to do it.

Changing any of the coding in the game has residual effects that cannot be predicted, usually why they run a test server separate from the main servers. A small code change can crash the entire server or cause something to work in a way other then intended. So now imagine changing 300+ lines of coding just to change the way you use an in-game command. Now imagine changing 1 line of code thinking about your wife/brother/sister or whomever being crushed to death in an apartment complex less then a week ago....yeah, thats what i thought...anyone living in Japan has my utmost respect and are in my thoughts. Bringing the game servers up are the last thing anyone should be thinking about.

lol how can you say that this is an opportunity to put more time into their game.... The servers are down... I can guarantee most of them are not even working at the moment and they are with their families. The producer may be working from home but the crew most definitely is dispersed and probably not at their HQ.

"Our nation is literally falling apart!!! Quickly we can shut down the servers to every game and focus all of our attention on FF14 for the next couple of weeks while we ignore our community! None of you are able to lend helping hands nor attend family matters at this time... YOU MUST WORK!"

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Originally Posted by Spuffin

lol how can you say that this is an opportunity to put more time into their game.... The servers are down... I can guarantee most of them are not even working at the moment and they are with their families. The producer may be working from home but the crew most definitely is dispersed and probably not at their HQ.

"Our nation is literally falling apart!!! Quickly we can shut down the servers to every game and focus all of our attention on FF14 for the next couple of weeks while we ignore our community! None of you are able to lend helping hands nor attend family matters at this time... YOU MUST WORK!"

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lol I finally agree with Spuffin on something. While we were suppose to get 2 patches at the end of the month it has been delayed 1-2 weeks. The entire team is safe but some do have families in the affected areas and french and german localization teams also left. Analyzing the letter from Yoshi-P they are still at work but there pace has been slowed down a bit.

Also, the servers being down does not help SE work faster in anyway. So I would rather play while they fix XIV instead of waiting 6 months to a year to play.

I think the SE team and people affected in Japan should take as much time as needed before worrying about this game but i don't agree with the OPs proposal of leaving the servers down for months in order to get the game fixed faster. The reason is, as stated by others already it will NOT matter if the servers are up or down in terms of fixing the game. The Development team uses a "Test Server" to test the changes, test new content and fix bugs, once they are satisfied with certain changes made, they implement the change to the game servers through patches.

For those who still don't understand, let me explain it in an even simpler way; Lets assume the team is working on a brand new instance, this process will take 2 months to finish (random numbers, in reality takes alot longer to design a new instance).

Option A (Game Servers Offline) -
10 days to plan
10 days to design
30 days to code
1 day to implement(on test server
5 days to test
4 days to figure out and fix bugs

Option B (Game Servers Online)
10 days to plan
10 days to design
30 days to code
1 day to implement(on test server
5 days to test
4 days to figure out and fix bugs
1 day to implement on game servers

As you can see, whether the server is online or offline, the amount of time it takes to create content is the same; with it taking an extra day to implement the changes to the game servers through maintenance. I rather play for 6 months and wait 1 day for maintenance rather then not play for 6 months. Similar Process applies to ALL MMO games, no company or team does initial tests on the actual game servers, its all done on test servers to avoid the risk of any unintended problems that may arise from the changes.

Even with test servers there will be problems since everyones PC is not the same, but its in fact FASTER for the dev team to let players report bugs rather then testing the same change on 100+ different PCs with different Specs.

Assuming that everyone is level 50+ and have nothing more left to do in the game. I still have plenty of ranks and skills to level up, plus I like partying. I'm probably alone in finding the game enjoyable as it is right now, though it could use more content.

I don't think that the people who left FF14 are ever going to like it anyways. If they insist on always comparing everything to WOW you're always going to get 'Rift', an unoriginal WOW clone, which WOW people disliked BTW. So even if FF14 were redesigned to appease the unappeasable it's just destined to be panned anyway. :(