Yoshi-P, I hope your bring back the feeling of questing together

Ever since Leves became useless for experience and partying, nobody does them together anymore.

Back in the day, the feeling of leve sharing and linking for experience points with a goal, made it a real team effort and bonding time.

While now people will only get together to grind, power-level or raid, its just not the same as questing together.

I agree. I enjoyed the game way more back when we could just link leves with ppl we like playing together and have fun.

IMO grinding is boring...and PL made it even more boring.

Hopefully the original FFXIV will come back with the original leve mechanics when it returns as a spin-off game! /o/

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Originally Posted by MiNuN

While now people will only get together to grind, power-level or raid, its just not the same as questing together.

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This is the part I really agree with.

I don't think leves, essentially a daily quest system, should have ever been the focus of this game. The nature of repeating the same quests over and over became horribly tedious. They should have always been supplementary - a secondary leveling option, rep grinding, a way to make money, etc. The only real fun part was when people got together as a group to do them (my LS would have a leve night, which was fun).

However, I would like to see story-driven leveling (traditional MMO questing) take more of a center stage. It's what my husband and I really enjoy doing when we play an MMO together. Again, I think the leve system had its flaws. But when my husband and I would play together, we would go to the leve counter, pick up our leves, and set out. It's the closest thing we had to when we played other quest-based MMOs such as WoW, Warhammer or Aion. Pick up our quests and set out together.

Take that away, and all there is left is the grind, which is not fun.

Oh, and this PLing business? Garbage. I will have no hand in creating high level noobs who don't know how to play their class. IMO, PLing is just a form of cheating and it leaves a bitter taste in my mouth that the people creating this game advocate it.

At this point, it feels like the game devs are at a loss of how to implement meaningful content and are just trying to expedite the leveling process to make it go by in a forgetful blur. It's become more empty than ever. I'm afraid this game is taking two steps forward, one step back.

I pray 2.0 will be different.

Grinding quests is still grinding. I seriously do not see the distinction. I've played a limited amount of MMOs, but every single one is a grind in its own way. I seriously do not understand this mindset or what you're looking for.

That said, leves are not useless at all. I still enjoy doing them. You can't do 3 stars when you're the base level anymore... is this what you think makes it useless?

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Originally Posted by Answa

Grinding quests is still grinding. I seriously do not see the distinction. I've played a limited amount of MMOs, but every single one is a grind in its own way. I seriously do not understand this mindset or what you're looking for.

That said, leves are not useless at all. I still enjoy doing them. You can't do 3 stars when you're the base level anymore... is this what you think makes it useless?

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no, it has more to do with if you do a leve and compare the sp to a grind or a pl party the sp is completely worthless so you can't get a group together anymore for them. people complained you could do a leve party and link leves before and get 100k in 3-4 hours before because it was too much sp, but now people are glad to go out and get 400k+ in the same length of time power leveling.

I'll never ever do leves in group never again, even like they are now.
I'm ok with group quests, not LEVES

They need to stop with the solo sidequests content and make some interesting party based quest chains now.

There really isn't much to do as a group in this game anymore than mindless grind and Ifrit.

Quest 1 > Quest 2 > Quest 3 > NM fight

Can't I have this !! ?

This is 2011 my friend, people hate group content and group based questing. Solo only.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

This is 2011 my friend, people hate group content and group based questing. Solo only.

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ya know, there is a type of games called rpg's that do just that. that's like playing a fps game and complaining that people kill stuff.

I don't mind if the leves system remained solo purposed, but please introduce some type of activity that brings people together and make it casual fun.

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Originally Posted by MiNuN

I don't mind if the leves system remained solo purposed, but please introduce some type of activity that brings people together and make it casual fun.

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agreed. i think the reason people bring up leves so often is the fact that was the only casual group content there was in game besides grind parties. i don't care about leves so much as i do the fact there is no casual group content in the game anymore. if they put in a group activity questing the leves themselves could stay solo content.

Well, doesn't have to be questing, but a better sense of group accomplishments. The fine line they are trying to tread is to also allow these activities to be accessible via soloing.

Notice, for dungeons instances where you are forced to group up, feels much more rewarding when everyone puts in their best effort and teamwork to clear the dungeon. However, for low level dungeon or instances it just feels like I'm just another guy to fill in the void in the party, rather than an essential member of the group. I blame this for having no level caps.

For EXP grind parties, there often lacks effort upon the group as a unit. Thus, it feels less rewarding when you slay a monster while grinding to move onto the next. However, the addition of chaining and linking made it a bit better. It gave players a gauge to see how well they could perform. Although, in the end PL'ing sort of crushed that, and now it's just how fast you can grab new enemies before the timer is up.

It's really hard for me to gain any gratification from something that is soloable, but done with a group. Mainly because the challenge is lost when grouping up, most of the the activities does not scale up enough with the group size.

company leves + guardian aspect is the only way to solo pick a level 1-2 levels higher than you and you can rack up the XP in the kill as many mobs in 15 mins.

I hope they bring back storyline questing with others. Could care less about guild leves. Give me a CoP difficulty WoTG storyline that requires some level of thinking rather than this current mind numbing structure we have now.

At first before playing the game i tought that leves were collectable and gave a few bonus while you cosumed those in party, but it ended like a semi quest that nobody reads or gives any lore because those are repeatable, so in my op the best way to implement leves is that you unlock more as you complete them, just like faction leves but in a massive way, give a side story chain of quests with short CS according to the nation, so in this case 3 different stories that may share a few quests between cities.

When they open more cities make more side stories like that, i know it sounds like a lot of work but i know that they'll have enough resources once 2.0 arrives, this is more like the ranking we had in FF XI cities or like final fantasy tactics task, they could make it like those quest you had to do for every npc in every city, so the logic goes that as a normal person like a sheppard or whatever if you have trouble with a few beast that are eating your cows, dodos whatever the normal thing is to go to an agency that gets mercenarys to solve your problem for a fee, or theres a guy (NM) that is troubling you or your town or kidnapped someone you will need some experienced people to kill it, just as an idea, after completing that leve the guy will tell you different things, more npc's will put more task for you, etc and you'll be learning more about every city while you rank up too.

I know that a lot of people may agree that the official oppening gives an idea that the leves are something like that, and if you do a leve that one will take you somewhere else doing something amazing at the end. Maybe because of the lack of time they couldnt follow that concept but i always wanted to see in the game, especially with my first few faction leves.

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Originally Posted by Zezlar

I hope they bring back storyline questing with others. Could care less about guild leves. Give me a CoP difficulty WoTG storyline that requires some level of thinking rather than this current mind numbing structure we have now.

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I'd like to have epic group questing like that, as well as the regular old 'fetch me a {whatever}' and 'kill {x} wolves to make our village safer' quests, as well as longer quest chains in between. Sometimes I do just want to solo quest, sometimes I want to duo quest with my husband, sometimes I want something that takes a light party to accomplish, and sometimes I want something that takes my linkshell months to progress through together.

I want questing of all kinds (real quests, not levequests), and FFXIV is seriously lacking in that department.

Btw, never been a fan of calling them sidequests, even if they're not part of the main story. It makes them sound trivial, and they shouldn't be.

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Originally Posted by Rowyne

I'd like to have epic group questing like that, as well as the regular old 'fetch me a {whatever}' and 'kill {x} wolves to make our village safer' quests, as well as longer quest chains in between. Sometimes I do just want to solo quest, sometimes I want to duo quest with my husband, sometimes I want something that takes a light party to accomplish, and sometimes I want something that takes my linkshell months to progress through together.

I want questing of all kinds (real quests, not levequests), and FFXIV is seriously lacking in that department.

Btw, never been a fan of calling them sidequests, even if they're not part of the main story. It makes them sound trivial, and they shouldn't be.

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If there was a Like + 1000 button, I would press it.

I want more of quests together as PT, but yes, I prefer leve as solo.