7 Man A12S Clear

I really beleive in dedicating time to learn a boss.
What I don't understand is if 7 people can take down A12S almost faster than most peoples 8 man static group why should anyone else get an echo buff or a handout in this game?
Yes the person who died at the start bought his clear wich is ok if you pay mercenary fees to get carried in an mmo.
Is it really that hard to be appreciative of hard content without stuff getting buffs and nerf just because some people feel they pay for a subscription so they must have what you have?

Here is the youtube link btw!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGp8...&feature=share

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Originally Posted by Pisquini

Yes the person who died at the start bought his clear wich is ok if you pay mercenary fees to get carried in an mmo.

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:rolleyes:

I'm sad Cutie isn't in this =p *Coughs softly*

Mad respect to this group doing a proper content sale. So many want to log into your account because they can't be bothered to actually 7 man it

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Originally Posted by Pisquini

Yes the person who died at the start bought his clear wich is ok if you pay mercenary fees to get carried in an mmo.
Is it really that hard to be appreciative of hard content without stuff getting buffs and nerf just because some people feel they pay for a subscription so they must have what you have?

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so it is okay to buy the clear, but it's not okay to pay for a subscription and getting nerfs? please explain me where the difference is. i mean: at least you still have to do something by yourself to clear nerfed content instead of laying in the dirt and paying the raiders all your (RMT?) money.

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Originally Posted by Pisquini

I really beleive in dedicating time to learn a boss.

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The cognitive dissonance required to write this first statement, and then write this:

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Originally Posted by Pisquini

Yes the person who died at the start bought his clear wich is ok if you pay mercenary fees to get carried in an mmo.
Is it really that hard to be appreciative of hard content without stuff getting buffs and nerf just because some people feel they pay for a subscription so they must have what you have?

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is pretty impressive. Buying a run is even worse than clearing post-nerf based on the value expressed in your opening statement. And to be honest, if you're already clearing, you don't give two shakes what they do after, because you're done with the content and likely just farming while waiting for the next round.

I think everyone is embarrassed for the OP. Best joke thread 2017 so far.

Or the OP could think a bit further ahead and understand the person that got carried grinded his gil up for a few weeks to be able to afford that clear.
Some people actually play this game @Tint and grind gil to be able to afford things.
I remember when I couldn't do certain primals in FFXI to obtain their summons I hired a RDM to solo thoese bosses for me. Sure it took me almost a month to grind up the gil for it but I respected that content was hard and would not cry because I was not good enough I could respect that some people where just better than me at certain things in the game.
Too bad people can't see it out of that perspective but only want to see it from the perspective of It is ok to nerf things because people feel they are entitled to the same things as others because they pay for the subscription.
The option is still there to do content too bad it takes the satisfaction and reward out for players who learn content.
If the person bought his clear so what. There is no shame in getting carried we carry people through DF through ridicilous primals all the time even on mentor roulette when we get synced ex primals.
The 7 players who did this deserve all cred in the world because they are doing it better than most 8 people do that have a static.

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Originally Posted by Pisquini

Or the OP could think a bit further ahead and understand the person that got carried grinded his gil up for a few weeks to be able to afford that clear.
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You ARE the OP. :thinking:

was refering to myself in 3rd perpective

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Originally Posted by Pisquini

was refering to myself in 3rd perpective

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Yeah... I'd stop that.

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Originally Posted by Pisquini

The 7 players who did this deserve all cred in the world because they are doing it better than most 8 people do that have a static.

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So shaming 8 people who are trying their best at content is ok because 7 other people, unrelated to the 8 beforehand, did a better job with less people?

Wow, you're a real sweet guy. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Pisquini

Sure it took me almost a month to grind up the gil for it but I respected that content was hard and would not cry because I was not good enough

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And this here is the problem - not with you personally, but in general. People are fine with playing this game for a month, doing a mindless grind (if we accept to believe that they earned their gil in a decent way...), spending hours and hours to be able to afford something - when they could have used that time to improve themselves! But oh no, thats just not an option, is it? Not when you want to "play" this game watching your anime on the second screen - thats how I get all my crafting and gathering done at least.

As much as I dislike nerfs, they're a different thing - they mostly make old content easier so it wont need as much effort to clear it later on when its dead content - and therefor making it easier to get a group together and make progress, or even get the clear. New content can be more difficult because more old (and hopefully skilled) people are around doing it, farming it, being interested in it.

I'm not going to tell anyone how to play, but saying someone earned a kill or thats okay to earn a kill like that because they put effort into a mindless grind instead of improving is excatly whats hurting the community and the content. And for that you dont deserve any credit - if you want that: Go and make this a challenge for yourself (like people use to make 8/7-warrior (+healer) runs or such), not a buisness.

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Originally Posted by Vidu

And this here is the problem - not with you personally, but in general. People are fine with playing this game for a month, doing a mindless grind (if we accept to believe that they earned their gil in a decent way...), spending hours and hours to be able to afford something - when they could have used that time to improve themselves! But oh no, thats just not an option, is it? Not when you want to "play" this game watching your anime on the second screen - thats how I get all my crafting and gathering done at least.

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most people dont grind anything... they just buy the gil.

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Originally Posted by dayumitsfoxxy

most people dont grind anything... they just buy the gil.

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Thats why I said "If we're going to believe that they earned this gil".
So even if OP (and anyone else who likes selling kills...) tries to get away with "we're not supporting RMT through this" by saying "people earnt this kill legit, by earning the money for this in a legit way".

However you got the money: for me it will never be legit to get a kill (specially in recent content; old, dead content is a bit excluded here) through other means than learning the fight and earning that kill.
Again, not gonna tell people how to play their game but each parties, buyer and seller are to "blame" here, in my opinion at least.
(and running around like the OP does here would be considered bad taste amongst "honest" sellers afaik - you keep your mouth shut about your sell-runs. If you want to brag about your 7man-skills, let the last memember of your static run into that wall or something like that)

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Originally Posted by Ghishlain

I'm sad Cutie isn't in this =p *Coughs softly*

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Don't know who that is, but they had Lenna Luxie.. the monk goddess from 7th heaven bakery on sargatanas.

Casuals, whining when someone has honest gil but no skill. I quess people with honest gil and skill are called ELITISTS?!

Why would anyone pay for a run, since you don't need savage gear at all.