*Please note, this was designed purely for fun and I do NOT expect SE to implement it in any way, shape, or form."
Puppetmaster (PUP)
Melee, Pet-Using DPS
Weapon: Puppets/Dolls/Mammets/Automatons and Controls (In one weapon slot).
Attack Type: Blunt, Close Range. Puppetmasters have two auto-attacks, one from themselves and one from their Puppet. Both do 50% of the damage.
Armor: Light Armor, Striking
Limit Break: Prima Vista (Melee)
Cross Class: Pugilist and Lancer
Important Stats: Strength, TP for cost
Wandering performers who entertain crowds and confound their enemies using puppets.
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Special Mechanics
Pet Control
As oppose to the Arcanists, Summoners, and Scholars, Puppetmasters synchronize their puppet's movements with their own.
Puppets will automatically target their owner's target unless the ability Show Time is used. If the target they were attacking with Show Time is defeated, the Puppet will automatically switch to the User's target.
Additionally, Puppets will mimic whatever emotes their user uses.
Skills and Abilities
Pet Abilities
- Activation: Ability. Summon the user's Puppet. Despite having a cast time, this is oGCD. 6 second cast time. 2.5 second cooldown.
- Armor Piercer: Ability. Increase Damage done onto the user's Puppet's selected target by 10% for 15 seconds. Only one Armor Piercer can be on a target at a time. Instant cast time. 40 second cooldown.
- Cooldown: Ability. Removes one detrimental status effect from the user's Puppet that they received from one of the user's skills. Instant cast time. 200 second cooldown.
- Deus Ex Automata: Ability. Summon the user's Puppet but with a 50% Attack Speed Decrease for 15 seconds. Instant cast time. 60 second cooldown.
- Heady Artifice: Ability. Causes the user's Puppet's next 5 Damaging Weaponskills or Abilities be automatically a Critical Hit (Duration: 15 seconds). Afterwards, for 15 seconds, the Puppet cannot be effected by Earth, Fire, Water, and/or Wind Maneuvers. Instant cast time. 180 second cooldown.
- Light Maneuver: Ability. For 20 seconds, create 2 After Images of the user's Puppet that will mimic the Puppet, doing 20% of the damage it would. These After Images only do damage on Auto-Attacks and Single Target Weaponskills and Abilities. Instant cast time. 90 second cooldown.
- Maintenance: Ability. Removes one detrimental status effect from the user's Automaton. Instant cast time. 5 second cooldown.
- Overdrive: Ability. Increase the user's Puppet's Attack Power by 50% for 15 seconds. Afterwards, The Puppet's Action Speed will Decrease by 25% for 20 seconds. Instant cast time. 120 second cooldown.
- Repair: Ability. Heals the user's Automaton. Uses user's Attack Power. Potency of 500. Instant cast time. 5 second cooldown.
- Show Time: Ability. Sends the user's Puppet to attack a target. Instant cast time. 1 second cooldown.
- Shows Over: Ability. Orders the user's Puppet to leave the battlefield. Instant cast time. 1 second cooldown.
- Ventriloquy: Ability. Transfer all Aggro the user generates for 15 seconds to their Puppet. Additionally, Decrease Damage the user's Puppet receives by 15%. Instant cast time. 90 second cooldown.
Offensive Weaponskills and Abilities
- String Clipper: Weaponskill. Damage a selected target. Potency of 100 for the user, 50 for the Puppet.. Instant cast time. 2.5 second cooldown.
- Hammermill: Weaponskill. Damage a selected target. Potency of 100. Instant cast time. 2.5 second cooldown.
Combo: String Clipper> Hammermill: The Puppet will damage the enemy for a Potency of 100.
- Stringing Pummel: Weaponskill. Damage a selected target. Potency of 100. Instant cast time. 2.5 second cooldown.
Combo: Hammermill > Stringing Pummel: Potency of 150. The Puppet will damage the enemy for a potency of 150.
- Victory Smite: Weaponskill. Damage a selected target. Potency of 100. Instant cast time. 2.5 second cooldown.
Combo: Hammermill> Victory Smite: Potency of 200. Increase damage the target receives from Pets by 25% for 15 seconds.
- Chimera Ripper: Weaponskill. Damage all enemies with a 8 yalm, cone in front of the user. Potency of 120. Instant cast time. 2.5 second cooldown.
- Heatsinker: Weaponskill. Damages a selected target and deals unaspected damage to them over time for 25 seconds. Potency of 25. Instant cast time. 2.5 second cooldown.
- Chakram: Ability. Damage a selected target. Range of 20 yalms. Potency of 120. Instant cast time. 15 second cooldown.
- Daze: Ability. Damage a selected target. Additionally, Stun them for 3 seconds. Potency of 100. Instant cast time. 40 second cooldown.
- String Shredder: Ability. Damage all enemies with in 5 yalms of the user or their Puppet (enemies can be damaged by both). Potency of 100 each. Instant cast time. 15 second cooldown.
Other Abilities
- Assimilate: Ability. Spreads the user's Earth, Fire, Water, and/or Wind Maneuver buffs to all partymembers with in 15 yalms of the user but with only half the power/potency. This does not effect the user or their Puppet's buffs. Instant cast time. 100 second cooldown.
- Cannibal Blade: Ability. The user recovers TP based on the damage their Puppet does (Damage*0.01=TP) for 15 seconds. Instant cast time. 90 second cooldown.
- Dark Maneuver: Ability. Remove the user's Puppet from the battlefield. Additionally, Double the damage the user causes, decrease Damage they receive by 25%, and make them immune to Poison, Paralysis, Disease, Sleep, Blindness, Heaviness, and Main Stat decreases for 15 seconds. Activation and other Maneuvers cannot be used while under this effect. Instant cast time. 180 second cooldown. When used, Light Maneuver also goes into cooldown.
- Earth Maneuver: Ability. Place a shield on the user and their Puppet that will absorb damage equal to 10% of the user's Max HP. If the target has Fire Maneuver on them, remove it. Instant cast time. 90 second cooldown.
- Fire Maneuver: Ability. Places a shield on the user and their Puppet that will damage any enemy that damages them for 30 seconds. If the target has Earth Maneuver on them, remove it. Potency of 50. Instant cast time. 60 second cooldown.
- Mana Converter: Ability. Take half of the user's Puppet's HP and recover the user's TP equal to that. Additionally, all healing effects used on the Puppet will be decreased by 50% for 20 seconds. Instant cast time. 90 second cooldown.
- Water Maneuver: Ability. Decrease Damage the user and their Puppet receive by 10% for 10 seconds. If the target has Wind Maneuver on them, remove it. Instant cast time. 60 second cooldown.
- Wind Maneuver: Ability. Increase the user and their Puppet's Attack Speed by 10% for 10 seconds. If the target has Water Maneuver on them, remove it. Instant cast time. 60 second cooldown.
Skill Levels and Traits
Skill Level
1. String Clipper
2. Wind Maneuver
4. Activation, Show Time, and Shows Over
6. Hammermill
8. Repair
10. Daze
12. Chakram
15. Heatsinker
18. Cannibal Blade
22. Maintenance
26. Stringing Pummel
30. Water Maneuver
*Quest* 30. Assimilate
34. Earth Maneuver
*Quest* 35. Ventriloquy
38. Armor Piercer
*Quest* 40. String Shredder
42. Fire Maneuver
*Quest* 45. Overdrive
46. Chimera Ripper
50. Victory Smite
*Quest* 50. Light Maneuver
*Quest* 52. Deus Ex Automata
*Quest* 54. Mana Converter
*Quest* 56. Dark Maneuver
*Quest* 58. Cooldown
*Quest* 60. Heady Artifice
Traits
8. Enhanced Strength: Increases Strength by 2.
14. Enhanced Wind Maneuver: Extend Wind Maneuver's duration to 20 seconds.
16. Enhanced Strength II: Increases Strength by 4.
20. Stout Servant: Decreases Damage pet receives by 5%.
24. Enhanced Strength III: Increase Strength by 6.
28. Enhanced Daze: Shorten Daze's cooldown time to 25 seconds.
32. Optimization: 25% chance of increasing Pet's Attack Damage by 20% for 8 seconds when the user lands a critical hit.
36. Stout Servant II: Decrease Damage pet receives by 5%.
40. Fine-Tuning: 25% chance of decreasing TP by 25% for the user for 8 seconds when their pet lands a critical hit.
44. Enhanced Earth Maneuver: Shorten Earth Maneuver's cooldown time to 60 seconds.
48. Stout Servant III: Whenever both the user and their pet take damage at the same time, there is a 25% chance the pet will not receive more damage then the user.
Job Idea: Puppetmaster
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12-27-2016, 06:51 AMMimiluJob Idea: Puppetmaster
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12-27-2016, 07:01 AMSainya
I think this is already in the game - so I support this. Great write-up.
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12-27-2016, 07:03 AMMimiluHow so? >o>Quote:
Originally Posted by Sainya
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12-27-2016, 05:12 PMKazrah
Seems a bit overboard on TP regeneration, but looks pretty good. I definitely agree that puppetmaster probably wouldn't be that generic pet job like summoner and scholar, working more similarly to a "Real Steel" type of circumstance like how you have it. The only real hurdle would be in the proper design of the puppet mechanics.
I would like to see more lore components to this and more aesthetic elements such as the size and other visual features of the puppet, like if it would be a mammet or would it be some other model and what reasons would bring that up. -
12-27-2016, 08:50 PMRinuko
Is this FFXI?
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12-28-2016, 01:13 AMMimiluFor some reason, while I was designing the concept, I was really paranoid about TP but I can see that there might be too much. I'll probably remove Mana Converter and change Dark Maneuver.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kazrah
For me, I wanted to show another way a pet-job could be achieved within the game's current design.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kazrah
For me, I feel Puppetmaster would take influence for Ul'dah and Sharlayan. Ul'dah has a history of mammet use, goldsmithing, and street preforming, while Sharlayan also uses mammets and has a flair of the whimsical. In my eyes, XIV's Puppetmaster could focus more on being a street performer and less on being a mechanic, being more whimsical and showy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kazrah
As for weapons, I wanted a range of various puppets that people could glamour with like the traditional XI Automaton designs, Lulu from X's dolls, and XIV's own Mammets. Maybe even include some of the minion designs.
I feel that Puppetmaster has become iconic enough to at least on the list of possible jobs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rinuko
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12-28-2016, 02:46 AMGMERChttp://i.imgur.com/EZ95zG1.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Mimilu
I think the last time someone asked YoshiP about whether PUP was in consideration they got a flat "no" answer. -
12-28-2016, 09:00 AMMimiluHe said the team hadn't thought about adding it, at that time.Quote:
Originally Posted by GMERC
Do I think that it's going to be the second job in 4.0? Probably not.
That doesn't mean it can't be on the table for other expansions.
And even if it isn't, that doesn't mean people can't brainstorm about how it could fit in the game. -
12-28-2016, 09:10 AMGMERCAll right then, I suppose I can contribute that much. I'd much rather they moved away from the hideous Mammet Automaton designs from XI (and already found lingering about in this game) to something that can be taken more seriously, like some freaky mannequins or dolls. Additionally, I'd say they would be best served by dramatically reducing if not eliminating the damage output of the player, and shift instead to being primarily about remotely controlling the puppet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mimilu
This game comes to mind whenever anyone suggests PUP make a return, because the last thing I'd want would be another job with an extremely passive pet. -
12-28-2016, 09:36 AMForte
only thing I would add to this is something like smn having 3 types of pets I would like there to be three types of puppet as well other then that I would play this in a heart beat I miss my pup from FF11
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12-28-2016, 10:15 AMLionFury1I think Puppetmaster will be implemented into Final Fantasy XIV in either 5.0 or 6.0 when we actually go to the Garlean Empire itself. Puppetmaster is clearly a mechanic job in which uses technology as a weapon, so it would be a class most suited to be introduced when we visit the Garlean Empire because I imagine it would come from a discipline of Magitek users whom harness the technology home to the Garlean empire to create war mammets/automatons. I would honestly be extremely surprised if Puppetmaster didn't get implemented when we visit Garlemald just because it's the only job class I could think of that would be the most fitting lore wise to the Garlean Empire.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mimilu
Also we'll definitely be visiting Garlamald before the end of 6.0 because it was mentioned in one of the live letters that the Garlean threat will be stopped by the end of 6.0 and potentially earlier.
As far as this thread goes, I'm mostly on board with this. Although I may not agree with some of its concepts for how Puppetmaster would be played, I think we'd both agree on a general play style and on the very fact that Puppetmaster should be added to Final Fantasy XIV.
One important thing that I don't think is mentioned that I think is integral to the job is multiple pets. I think, at the very least, Puppetmaster should have a healer/support, a tank, and a dps automaton. From a Final Fantasy XI player prospective, I really can't envision puppetmaster without having multiple automatons which enable for situational versatility. It might be hard to implement multiple pets that are proficient in their role especially if you're able to swap them out at any point during a battle, but I could imagine that they could make it so that during instance fights, you're locked into a specific Automaton Role so that it isn't exactly overpowered.
One simple solution to this would be to make the Automaton itself an equippable weapon. In this instance, the Automaton itself would be your main hand weapon you would equip and acquire through battles that could be of three or more different weapon types (Healer, DPS, or Tank). If you equip the Tank class as your main hand weapon, it would basically act as almost changing your class itself and force you to always stay locked into using a Tank puppet during instances with no way to switch out. That way, Puppetmaster would be able to queue into duties as any of the three roles based off of its Automaton Class and would be able to play proficiently within that role because it wouldn't be overpowered that they can switch roles during instances, as opposed to how summoner pets are watered down counterparts of their role (Titan = Tank, Ifrit = DPS, Garuda = Ranged dps)
The upside to this is that you would have access to tons of mammet styles. For example, you would get Automaton's as weapons from all content including primals so you would get like a Ifrit style Automaton or a Ravana style automaton with completely different armor styles.
The downside is that it could become cumbersome on your inventory carrying around three or more automatons all the time as weapons, however they are adding more inventory space in 4.0.
I personally would rather it just be that Puppetmaster have access to summoning one of three pets or more, at any point in time during a battle, and each pet is extrodinarily proficient at its job in the same way a Paladin would be or a White mage would be. However this might be over powered and hard to balance.
I personally wouldn't mind them copy and pasting literally the same playstyle of Final Fantasy XI into a XIV, but another cool idea would be them placing more emphasis on the master controlling the pet and pretty much becoming it. As opposed to the Master and Pet fighting at the same time, you could have the Pet pretty much doing all the work while the master sits in the back pulling the string and doing a few things like healing the pet, buffing it, and sending command.
What I am kind of imagining and hoping they would do is make it so that you can literally become your pet and you play through him while the master becomes the AI which just does some basic things that you'd get out of a fairy or summoner pet. Ventriloquist literally become their puppets when they perform on stage and in the same way I would hope we could become our puppet. Less emphasis on the master and more on the puppet like it should be.
How that exactly would be implemented is hard to say because you could either switch to your pet's point of view through an ability like "Role Reversal", which is an ability in FFXI that swaps you pets HP with your own, or when you switch to the puppetmaster job class, you would automatically become your pet. The only problem that would bring up is how the pet would interact with NPCs and objects, but I'd imagine just having an ability that allows you to change PoV would be fine. -
12-28-2016, 10:25 AMGMERC
If Puppetmaster uses the stupid robots from XI again it'll be terrible from the getgo.
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12-28-2016, 10:29 AMLionFury1Ya Yoshi-P didn't flat out say no like Mimilu said, it just wasn't something even on his mind. I still believe that it is a job that will be added without a doubt in 5.0 or 6.0 when we visit the Garlean empire. It makes the most sense lore wise even if the developers don't see that just yet. The game developers also tend to add jobs that the player base really want to see and Puppetmaster, I believe, is listed as #8 in most desired classes in a FF14 Reddit pole right under Time Mage. Under the circumstance that they keep adding the jobs we want and add around 2-3 jobs per expansion, we'll see Puppetmaster in 6.0.Quote:
Originally Posted by GMERC
http://www.strawpoll.me/4507557/r
Most Requested jobs:
#1: Samurai
#2: Red Mage
#3: Dancer
#4: Blue Mage
#5: Memorist
#6: Beastmaster
#7: Time Mage
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12-28-2016, 10:34 AMGMERCAnd yet that poll is sort of worthless because of how many fake options there are, like Time Mage, Thief, Ranger, and Berserker.Quote:
Originally Posted by LionFury1
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12-28-2016, 10:38 AMLionFury1Actually I really grew to like the Puppet design in FF11, but I'm thinking that FF14 puppets will look a little bit like the mammets we encounter in the Gubal Library ( Mechanomagus, Mechanoscribe, Mechanoservitor and Vivi from the Hildebrand questline :Quote:
Originally Posted by GMERC
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12-28-2016, 10:42 AMLionFury1I wouldn't necessarily call it worthless or fake options. The pole was a pretty good reflection of player sentiment, and the job options were an inclusion of the majority of classes in the Final Fantasy series including Tactics. Time Mage especially is a strong candidate for a new mage class in the future. Some of its utility does overlap with astrologian, but things like Haste, Stop, Slow, are all things that have yet to be implemented into a job, but are spells that should be in the game or are already.Quote:
Originally Posted by GMERC
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12-30-2016, 06:55 AMKazrahArrow Card = HasteQuote:
Originally Posted by LionFury1
Celestial Opposition = Stop (or as close as it'd get in this game)
Time Dilation = Extend
When you really think about it, Astrologian is simply Time Mage as recognized from past games applied in a more practical manner to a game in which jobs identified for just buffing or would otherwise be considered a "support" role wouldn't really work.