So with this new game engine they are using for 2.0, I was wondering will it fix the graphics issue I'm currently having with my computer overheating and sounding like its ready to take off into outerspace.
New game engine question
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11-23-2011, 03:51 AMsasquatch23New game engine question
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11-23-2011, 03:55 AMAdvancedWindThey said it's gonna be optmized so yeah, likely it will fix.Quote:
Originally Posted by sasquatch23
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11-23-2011, 03:57 AMquantumsaint
Little do you know it is about to blast off into outerspace, as it has been a changeatron this whole time.
http://video.adultswim.com/sealab-20...ngeatrons.html
On topic, they're supposed to be adding DX11 support at some point so I imagine they will be adjusting the graphics. -
11-23-2011, 04:51 AMTinnySnipsThis is not a graphics issue. The new engine is supposed to be friendlier to lower-end hardware, but this is not your issue. Get a can of air and spray out your system. Turn down the graphics to a level that your system can handle. The current engine is very demanding, but it can be adjusted. If your computer is overheating then you need to adjust your settings.Quote:
Originally Posted by sasquatch23
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11-23-2011, 03:46 PMNabiriI laughed because it's true. TwTQuote:
Originally Posted by sasquatch23
My computer's a little quieter than it used to be, but when I first started playing it got so loud... sounded like it was about to explode. Still gets pretty bad sometimes and I shut down the game and take a break. XD (In the summer I even have to move my computer downstairs and to a cooler place. >.>)
They've said 2.0 will be better for this, so I look forward to that. -
11-23-2011, 03:55 PMAndrien
I cant wait for 2.0 I wish it'll arrive sooner.
I play on laptop... so yeah you understand. When the ps3 version is here I'll be getting that too. -
11-23-2011, 03:56 PMBaxterYes. in 2.0Quote:
Originally Posted by sasquatch23
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11-23-2011, 03:59 PMAenarionsince it's supposed to be easier on the hardware, maybe. Still, your real issues are:Quote:
Originally Posted by sasquatch23
1. Overheating caused by crappy cooling system and/or poor system maintenance.
2. Loud fan noise caused by crappy choice of fan in crappy oem GPU cooler. -
11-23-2011, 07:05 PMRenshi
I just wanted to bring this out here for you guys =)
http://www.lazygamer.net/xbox-360/sq...minous-engine/ -
11-23-2011, 07:10 PMtymora
No engine in the world will account for people who turn up settings and try to get the most out of their hardware (myself included) :)
=> Hence the heat and the fans.
And the engine looks hawt...hope they are using that.
They also licensed Unreal's, so not sure what they will be using. -
11-23-2011, 07:14 PMTheFatHousecat
I play on a laptop << A bad one. I have to have a cooling pad, and balance my laptop on the edge of my desk so that I can put an extra standing fan under it. My room's always so cold :< I'm gathering Walnut Logs whilst wearing gloves atm~ and my GPU is currently at 107C...
But yes, the new engine will be a lot easier on our systems. -
11-23-2011, 07:17 PMtymora
My PC is a good stand-in for a room heater during Winter.
Heck, I use the graphics exhaust to warm my milk.
And...no... not kidding on the above. -
11-23-2011, 09:05 PMFelis
From an interview:
http://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/2011/10...-is-out-there/Quote:
Gamer Escape: 2.0 is going to be a new client, new servers, new engine. Is this still a form of Crystal Tools? Is this the Luminous engine? What can you tell us about that? Is there going to be support for Direct X 11?
Yoshida: First of all.. the current engine like Crystal Tools or the Luminous project, are made more for console games where they’re able to show the greatest level of graphics in a passive environment whereas an MMO is an active environment where, while you still want it to look beautiful, you also have many many people coming together in the same world. You have something like MW3 where the graphics are beautiful but what would happen if you had like 3 or 400 people on the screen at once. Would the engine be able to handle that? So what we wanted was something that could handle more of an active gameplay that we’re aiming for but also be able to provide beautiful graphics and landscapes. We found that Crystal Tools and Luminous would not be the optimal solution for this so that’s why we’re going to develop our own.
One of the reasons we had some trouble with the original launch of FFXIV was because we went through Crystal Tools and it was an engine that wasn’t really optimized for an MMO and so we’re currently working with technologists that are working on Luminous to make us a custom, optimal engine that will work for FFXIV.
As for DX 11, the first thing the dev team feels we have to do after the release of 2.0 is have a graphics engine that can accommodate the high-end computers and let those players have the highest quality graphics, smooth playability and a lot of different characters on screen- not the 40 we have now but having lots of characters displayed without having performance lag. But we’re also looking at the users with lower end computers as well and being able to create a system where you don’t have to have a high end PC to play. It also means having a system that will also handle the PS3 hardware as well that you have and just because it’s on the PS3 doesn’t mean it’s going to have lower quality. Maintaining quality for all three platforms- for high-end, low-end and PS3 and having an engine that will support this is what we’re aiming for with 2.0 and once that’s completed, and we hope to have that completed for 2.0, the next step will be to get the game ready for DX 11. So it’s in our schedule but we decided to make sure we had those three things covered by 2.0 and pushed back DX 11 for now. It’s not off the table thought and definitely the next thing we do after this.
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11-23-2011, 09:26 PMAntipikaSame here :p Overclocked CPU/GPU, and doing GPGPU + CPU burn 24/7 therefore my room doesn't stay too cold. Also have my PS3 and X360 facing the wall, back at me, so exhaust of my PS3 can keep warm any type of food I put in front (that include pizza while too focusing to play something can take hours before finishing it) and the X360 warm my feets.Quote:
Originally Posted by tymora
Use heat to your advantage :D
As for OP issue, was already answered earlier but yeah, pretty bad cooling system but also and maybe poor airflow in your case. PSU also plays a major role in airflow. Changing from a crappy to a good PSU can lower the temp inside the case by ~5°C+ easy.
A better cable management can also help to reduce the overall temperature, with little to now cost. -
11-25-2011, 01:07 PMNabiri>.> Every night in winter my computer stays on for this reason. XDQuote:
Originally Posted by tymora
*huggles computer for warmth* -
11-25-2011, 04:43 PMChiefCurraheeUnder your main menu and under config there is a setting to limit FPS to 30. It has greatly reduced the fan noise coming from my PC, and my room isn't as hot either!Quote:
Originally Posted by sasquatch23
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11-25-2011, 06:28 PMAntipikaOff course it does reduce the fan noise, because limiting the framerate greatly lower your GPU charge. What's the point however of buying a high end graphic card if you end up limiting the framerate?Quote:
Originally Posted by ChiefCurrahee
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11-25-2011, 06:42 PMAndrienomg wow 107C, is that dangerous? I play on low settings with drawing quality set at 5/10, and 30fps. It seems to stay around 85 to mid 90 now.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheFatHousecat
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11-25-2011, 07:00 PMAenarion
107c is indeed rather dangerous territory, I'd check if the cooling fan is even functioning at that point, or if the whole thing is clogged up beyond believe, or if the heatsink is even making proper contact w/ the GPU.
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11-25-2011, 08:51 PMindiramost likely they'll be using it since they used it before and it basicly one of the best engine out there & they dont have time to make one from scratch again and guess if its going to work.Quote:
They also licensed Unreal's, so not sure what they will be using.
well its graphics are gonna have to fit on the PS3's 256MB of video ram so it should be alittle more on the x64 pc's that means we'll get cool video cards like my two GTX480's wont feel like a melt down anymore. -
11-25-2011, 09:07 PMSoukyuu30 fps are fluent to the human eye, everything above it is vanity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Antipika
It's not uncommon on laptops, my old laptop gets into the same temp region pretty fast and I cleaned my fans and am using a good cooling pad (well, my brother is, cause i gave it to him). That's one of the reasons why I absolutely hate gaming laptops, not only do they get hot as hell, shortening their lifespan, they also suck performance-wise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aenarion
Actually YoshiP mentioned they're using some people who work on luminous to make the engine for FFXIV in one of the interviews, so FFXIV will use a modified luminous engine imho.Quote:
Originally Posted by indira
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11-25-2011, 09:56 PMHiten
I wonder if Square Enix will work together with Sony to produce a FFXIV+PS3 bundle specifically. And another thought would be is that will the PS3 be hyped up since its on a 256 ram presently. Just curious to know.
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11-25-2011, 10:41 PMAntipikaYou really must go see a doctor if you are unable to make a difference between something running at 30 and 60 fps...Quote:
Originally Posted by Soukyuu
Just google and learn, I'm too lazy to make a speech regarding that. Any normal human being can make a difference between something running at 30 and 60fps. -
11-25-2011, 10:57 PMsasquatch23
I know I don't have the greatest pc, but I built mine from scratch 9 months ago and spent somewhere around $2000 building it. Maybe it is a cooling issue on my end (only using fans that came with case,graphics card, and cpu) but man this pc gets hot enough to heat the room its in. It doesn't happen often but occasionally I'll get a blue screen from running this game.
Seems to me the problem would be the current game engine. I seriously hope the new engine they're going to be using will fix this.
I'll try reducing the fps to 30 like ChiefCurrahee suggested and see if that helps. thanks everyone for your suggestions. -
11-25-2011, 11:02 PMSoukyuu
Antipika, i'm not going to argue with you about it, that discussion has been talked to death numerous times. I don't see any significant difference between 30 and 60fps, but i see the difference in temps (= lifespan shortening)
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11-25-2011, 11:14 PMAntipika
Well you are the one being special in that case, but you shouldn't convey that idea on forums. It has been proved by lot of serious sources that the eye is not "limited" to 24 or 30 fps like some people believe.
The difference is huge. If you take a recent example, Sonic Generations on console is limited to 30 fps. PC version is 60 fps. The PC version is noticeably more smooth which enabled it to get more favourable reviews thanks to that.
I will agree that from ~80 and above it becomes almost impossible for most of people to notice a difference (some will still). But 30 and 60? Huge difference for most of people.
The right solution is not to limit something @30fps, but to buy a proper cooler, or sell your graphic card and buy a lower end model. If one is unable to see the difference above 30fps, then why one would waste money to buy a high end card?
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11-25-2011, 11:48 PMSoukyuuTo... play more demanding games that are yet to come @30fps?Quote:
Originally Posted by Antipika
The argument of 30fps vs 60fps is like the one of 320kbps mp3 vs lossless. For most people, the difference is not significant enough to warrant using lossless audio. To hear the difference, you really have to concentrate on it, and that's not what you are usually doing when listening to music. It's the same with games, really.
If you want to prove you can see the difference, you'd have to do double blind tests: ABX test
"No proof, no convition" - that's the rule followed when it comes to lossless audio and IMHO, it applies here too. -
11-26-2011, 12:14 AMAntipika
The difference between 30 and 60 fps is more like your average 96kbps CBR WMA vs a v0 MP3 :) 320kbps vs lossless is more a 80fps vs 200fps battle. No need to give me the link to the ABX test definition also.
That's just a waste of money. There is no point in buying a graphic card too early.Quote:
To... play more demanding games that are yet to come @30fps?
You'd save more money by buying two middle range cards, leaving ~2 years between the two, rather than buying a high end one for it to last 4 years. That just doesn't work with graphic cards nowadays. Price of higher end models is just dropping to fast.
But oh well just keep denying the reality, cannot really blame you after all since that's all you -can- see it seems, and I do really think that you should talk to a doctor about not being able to see the difference between 30 and 60 fps. -
11-26-2011, 12:25 AMDelsus
It has been proved that the human eye sees around 25-30fps as fluid movement, the only way to test it is have 2 movies or games one running at 30 fps and one running at 60, the tester has no idea which is which and they have to guess after each have been tested.
You used sonic generations as an example, but you knew which was running at 30 and 60 therefore your own personnal test was invalid also it was not in a controled environment, I have known huge framerate drops on PS3 and there is no way to check if it is constantly running at 30 fps. If the game had a drop in framerate you will have thought there was a differance when it was actually running at 15-20, which would show lag.
You cant just play the same game twice and say there was a differance, because the differance wasnt 30 vs 60 fps. Also the limited games have to be running on the same hardware, or the hardware could be to blame.
Sorry but you are wrong thank you good bye, btw a pidgeon sees movement as 150 fps, so maybe you are a pidgeon and they are both slideshows. -
12-03-2011, 04:52 AMZantetsukenIt's possible that this:Quote:
Originally Posted by sasquatch23
... is making your system overheat.Quote:
Originally Posted by sasquatch23
ROFL -
12-03-2011, 05:06 AMLucifer
http://www.100fps.com/how_many_frame...humans_see.htm
Really old debate. -
12-03-2011, 08:30 AMAtryxEtair
A practical 10 second test. I for one, notice significant difference.
http://www.boallen.com/fps-compare.html
But that doesn't mean I necessarily think 60 is better as brought out in the quote at the bottom of the page.