With the upcoming class reform, it seems that sentinel will be a class/job exclusive ability/trait that won't be readily available to other class/job.
I wonder how is it possible to ever win the Ifrit fight without this wonderful ability. Has anyone who beat Ifrit with nobody in the party or just the tank having the sentinel ability?
From all the personal experiences, guides and video clips available, I have yet to seen anybody beating Ifrit without Sentinel. Have you? If you have, would you share how?
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11-23-2011, 03:48 AMSaomaiHave you beaten Ifrit with nobody having sentinel in your party?
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11-23-2011, 03:56 AMBelialThe purpose of sentinel is to have less dps on the spikes for Hellfire, and more output on Ifrit himself, just making the fight shorter. You can compensate for no one having sentinel by dropping additional spikes during this phase. It'll likely extend your time in the instance, but won't require having the ability on macro.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saomai
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11-23-2011, 03:57 AMRokien
Iv beat Ifrit without having sentinel. Pretty sure I was the only one that didn't have it, I lived as well. Though, I would agree, would like to see a group do it without sentinel, because it is possible. You just have to really self manage, and have good coordination with one another after hellfire.
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11-23-2011, 04:01 AMSaomaiI am sorry, for all the experiences I have, people usually drop one nail. Does that mean that when all nails are destroyed, hellfire won't do as much damage?Quote:
Originally Posted by Belial
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11-23-2011, 04:03 AMAlerithPretty much. Each nail dropped reduces the damage from Hellfire. However, the current, commonly accepted, efficient solution is to drop one nail to reduce the damage to an acceptable level, then use sentinel to mitigate the rest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saomai
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11-23-2011, 04:09 AMEstellios
Seriously? We've been going on the information that the damage gets reduced only with 1 nail down and doesn't get reduced further till you get all 4 down.......
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11-23-2011, 04:12 AMAlerithFrom what I understand, killing two nails is only slightly better than killing just one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Estellios
Really, it wouldn't make sense. Killing one nail gives a damage reduction, killing the 2nd and 3rd don't, then killing the 4th does? Either each nail offers a slight reduction or only killing all four does. -
11-23-2011, 04:13 AMTechnolust
Before my static members all got Sentinel what we did was drop two nails down. After two nails are down, DPS all stack on the mage on the left side. That mage will rebuff, stoneskin, cure hp to full. Once hellfire approaches everyone that can will use rampart/defender. Right as Hellfire is started, mages just cast curaga on themselves, what will happen is hellfire will hit and immediatly afterwards curaga will land.
Our static group still does that even with every member having sentinel. We survived, we beat Ifrit.
Those that say you have to have sentinel to beat Ifrit, have no idea how to think outside of the box. -
11-23-2011, 04:16 AMEstellios
That's what I figured but I was told otherwise by a friend of mine who has done the fight a million times, so I took it as fact. Ah well... at least most of my LS has sentinel now lol.
On Topic: It is certainly possible, my LS almost did it but you have to be really lucky after hellfire and the mages have to have a ton of HP+ materia on their gear and food. If he decides to Vulcan Burst immediately after hellfire there's a good chance a couple of people will drop.
He was going easy on us by dashing around a lot one run but then all 3 of the Lancers got excited and Doomspiked all at once then got all blown up. To be fair we haven't beaten it yet so it's a bit of a rush lol -
11-23-2011, 04:17 AMPyretta_Blaze
I have beaten it several times where people did not have sentinel and even more times where people who had sentinel used it at the wrong time anyway and we still won just fine. It's true that it can help but I really think that having fresh buffs up before Hellfire makes it less needed. As the DD gather together to break a nail just rebuff them and then a curaga after Hellfire and everything is peachy.
*note this is not my main, I am at work and don't bring my one-time-password thingie with me. -
11-23-2011, 04:19 AMTechnolustThis can be fixed by the below.Quote:
Originally Posted by Estellios
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Originally Posted by Technolust
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11-23-2011, 04:24 AMDeli
with 1 nail down I expect 2500-3000 dmg, so if you have full hp usually it just bring hp to red.
with 2 nail down I expect 1500-2000 dmg, it's pretty much like with 1 nail + sentinal.
and in my pt we can bring down nail in 10 secs.. 2nd nail probably 20 sec so there still lots of time. -
11-23-2011, 04:31 AMBruceyBruceyBangBang
No one said you cannot do it without Sentinel. Just the standard for us all to kill it in under 6 mins for a more speedy and efficient weapon farm.
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11-23-2011, 04:34 AMStufooDid you read that list? Gladiator Ability 1 would be Sentinel and it is not exclusive. It may not stay 66% but it is sticking around.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saomai
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11-23-2011, 05:47 AMSaomaiBecause there is not a name for the ability, and because the dev. team is striving to create class uniqueness, I am guessing that a strong tanking ability like sentinel will either be class exclusive, or won't work as well on classes/jobs other than gla/pld.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stufoo
it will be interesting to see how different ifrit fight is going to be. thanks everybody for the input. -
11-23-2011, 05:55 AMAnswaI survive Hellfire without Sentinel every time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saomai
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11-23-2011, 06:00 AMEstellios
It's not tough to survive Hellfire w/o sentinel as long as you get practice in. For my group it's what happens afterward that does us in. Mages are really the most at-risk but it's fixed with some Materia, timing Stoneskin, and getting lucky.
Also thanks for the info Technolust. We've tried that but our melee would gather too early I guess and it would end up with some eruption on the mages that was targeting the DDs. I'll make sure to give it a shot next time.
Btw nice sig Answa, love that movie =P -
11-23-2011, 06:10 AMDeceptistarthats only if things go as planned... eruption, vulcan, and incinerate really fcks things up if u wanna be pristine and ready for hellfire with everyone NOT having sentinel. Especially since ifrit isnt an instance where u can assign mages spells at a specific given time. Skill locks on rampart/defender kinda take your time away to move to mages.Quote:
Originally Posted by Technolust
Id slap the melee if they were anywhere close to me before hellfire. Last thing i want is a eruption near me while im doin last minute stuff.
(and yes i know about the cures DURING hellfire, i use it on the tank everytime. Whoevers done ifrit a billion times its common sense to them. But we are talking about every other pt member this time in the best position and at least half the mages kicking off a successful curega along with it, all the while dodging the aoe's and cracks and etc) -
11-23-2011, 06:34 AMneizero
I did my first ~30 or so kills without Sentinel without much of a problem. Just before Hellfire, I'd pop defender, rampart I, then pre-cast cureII as the Hellfire animation goes off, followed by 2nd wind, bloodbath +WS after his first TP move, and back to yellow/white hp.
When I finally got Sentinel I was like... "how the f can anybody with sentinel ever die here..."
I don't think I've ever been in a group where NOBODY had it, but in principle it should not make any difference if 1 person can survive it, 8 can -
11-23-2011, 06:39 AMTechnolustYou're welcome, here are some other things that might help you out around the hellfire stage. Always make sure DPS and Mages that are stacked for hellfire, be completely aware that an eruption can spawn on them, but since it's while nails are up it's only one eruption and is easy to dodge. After Hellfire, no one should do anything that will cause them animation lock, reason being is right after hellfire Ifrit will follow up with either vulcan blast, dash, plume, or eruption. This is one of the key reasons mages need to start casting as soon as they see hellfire. So they are out of animation lock once hellfire is over.Quote:
Originally Posted by Estellios
Also as a warning Ifrits 'tp' moves (eruption and so forth) will happen at roughly a 5 second interval instead of the 10 second interval at 50% and 15 second interval when Ifrit is at 75% -
11-23-2011, 06:43 AMTechnolustAnyone worth there salt, will know how to dodge Eruptions. The DPS stacking on top of one of the mages to survive hellfire sure beats the hell out of having half your party wipe because one person is scared of dying to an eruption.Quote:
Originally Posted by Deceptistar
Things never go as planned, it's called adapting. Some can do it, others will fail at it. The big thing is being open to trying different things, rather then going with a setup that others have done but might not be ideal for your setup.
The only excuse for getting hit by eruption is because you are new to the fight. Period. -
11-23-2011, 09:14 AMXaimera
I dont use sentinel and i do just fine ^^ and on mage i only have 2.7k hp. there are other ways of not dieing to it.
if u have barely enough hp to survive use some tank food or something for more hp lol there are ways around these things ^^.
also ive never noticed the dmg reduction after 2 nails dropping so i dunno what the dmg reduction is or the percentage. -
11-23-2011, 05:05 PMHaru
Killing all 4 nails prevents hellfire alltogether! You have 60 seconds which should be enough :)
3healer+tank leaves 4x DD just when you see his HP bar closer to 20% save up all your TP and wait for timers..
Lancer can output 2000+ DMG in 15 seconds using abilities like focus for TP regen and Heavy stab to gain 1000+ TP