So I just started Astro recently and I'm conflicted my main has been sense I been playing a whm. Bu if I'm honest I am clearly better playing and astro this could be because I'm more experience at healing now but I really just feel I'm better at the job. I think its because with whm I want to out dps the dps , the stones just do really great damage but its also gotten me into trouble sometimes. Astro also has an instant heal which I like with a shorter cool down than benediction from whm this has helped me when tanks lose argo to instantly heal myself and I also love the cards. My question is how do you guys deal with change I dont wanna feel like I'm kicking whm to the curve but I just have to be honest I'm better as an astro while I do dps with only six attack abilities its just easier to deal with. So have you guys ever had to admit u where better at one class and switch ur main class are did u just stick with ur main because u where already attached to the class. Just wondering everyone's thoughts on this.
A conflicted whm considering switching my main to astro
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12-07-2016, 01:12 AMbswpaytonA conflicted whm considering switching my main to astro
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12-07-2016, 01:40 AMZomkei
Who says you can't switch between the two?
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12-07-2016, 01:50 AMCinnoThis. So much this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zomkei
One of my friends played all the way to 60 on SCH and after a year decided to try out AST. He really enjoys AST but every now and then he still switches back over to his SCH. It helps with burnout. You wont get as bored if you're playing a class that feels different. It's one more job to gear up, but the benefits outway that little factor. -
12-07-2016, 01:54 AMGhishlain
I don't feel there's anything wrong with your feelings. If you play something better and enjoy it more, then make the switch. No need to feel guilty about it unless you're raiding and the change will cause a big shift. However, in this particular case, it's not like you can't play both either. The Diurnal AST kit and WHM kit has enough similarities where you won't need to change your play style too much. Also the gear is interchangeable, aside from the weapon, and secondaries mean very little to healers in the grand scheme of things so you can swap whenever you feel like it. I personally switch between the three whenever I DR since I feel the urge to play one over the other for more low-end content.
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12-07-2016, 01:57 AMbswpaytonI def wouldnt stop playing whm , its more of an awaking of sorts like u play a class ur whole game journey and then u play another one and its like how am I better at this class then the one Ive been playing all this time in such a short period of time. And I think what it is not so much the mitigation for me but the fact that its easier to get out of dodge with light speed and u having an instant heals and regen aoes heals much earlier on than whm. And also just the fact that I dont feel bad just pure healing and throwing out my dots with astro we as with whm I feel like my stone damage has to be added where as I don't with astro even do I still do just doesn't fell necessary. But im just curious if other players have had this experience and felt bad about possibly switching their main.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zomkei
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12-07-2016, 02:07 AMMiste
Healers often have shared gearsets so you can play both easily. Sometimes they don't if they add job specific gear, but it only happens every once in awhile and that is the only time you'd kinda have to make a choice.
As for instant heals at 60 both have about the same setup. WHM has Benediction and Tetragammaton; AST has Essential Dignity and Lightspeed.
I also was a WHM from 1.0 until 3.0 but switched to AST when they added it. It is because I liked the style of the job and its base around tarot cards. I still like WHM too; AST just suits my personality more.
So if you have more fun or find AST suits you better then just switch, keeping in mind you can always play WHM when you feel like it too. -
12-07-2016, 02:10 AMJpec07This is really the beauty of this game. You can, on the same character, switch jobs with no consequence. Getting bored of WHM? Play SCH or AST for a bit - there is no consequence, and almost all of the gear is shared between them, so you're also gearing up your WHM without playing it. Want to switch back? You just need a weapon, and those aren't super hard to come by.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zomkei
It's actually the biggest reason I'm working on WAR, so that when I (eventually) start raiding, I can switch jobs as the encounters require (since raiding gear is role specific instead of class/job specific). If a fight has a lot of magic damage or adds? DRK. Physical damage or really heavy tankbusters or group damage? PLD. Tight DPS checks or low incoming damage? WAR. It might be a bit more nuanced, but there is basically no downside to switching jobs encounter to encounter (also helps the gameplay stay interesting). -
12-07-2016, 02:12 AMPintsizedBecause leveling more than one job is a PITA due to lack of questing content, it's entirely a dungeon/FATE grind and some of us loathe endless repetition simply to level-up: it's why SE's 'one character can do it all' is broken for those of us who enjoy questing and leveling .. and this will only get worse in 4.0 when the percentage of MSQ/side quest conent is due to vastly increase, leavling even less quest content for secondary leveling.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zomkei
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12-07-2016, 02:24 AMbswpaytonAs I went to check to compare abilities its really just a shame on how long some of the whm cool downs are in comparison tho that, its my only issue I will keep up with my whm. Its just once U start to get hit when a tank loses argo other than fluid aura ur just out of luck. But I dont think I will ever grow tired of the whm big dps numbers tho ha.Quote:
Originally Posted by Miste
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12-07-2016, 02:25 AMMisteI don't recall where the OP said any of this ^ was an issue for them....not everyone thinks it is a PITA so based on the information there is nothing wrong with the statement Zomkei said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pintsized
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12-07-2016, 02:28 AMMisteYeah Benediction cooldown is long but it is probably because it is a 100% HP heal. Lightspeed cooldown isn't as long but it doesn't last for more than a few casts.Quote:
Originally Posted by bswpayton
If tank loses aggro then that isn't your fault unless you are overhealing so it isn't really a situation you can compare.
AST can do pretty high DPS as well once you have Gravity, Malefic II, and Combust II etc at higher levels. -
12-07-2016, 02:35 AMSerilda
I'm a WHM at heart but frequently on AST or SCH for most content. WHM still gets brought out for PVP though as I just strongly prefer having the extra control there. Go with whichever is exciting you the most!
As for levelling, I don't have every job at 60 but I have quite a few and I haven't ever set foot in levelling roulette other than to help people; I hate being synced all the time and being unable to use new skills. I just lazily do a few challenge logs and mix up levequests and the odd FATE. It goes pretty quickly, then later on you have beast quests and hunts to pad things out. -
12-07-2016, 02:36 AMSeig345
I played Whm since ffxi, and recently found myself getting into Ast and honestly? Just play what you like. You may feel like switching back to Whm someday, and if that happens, just do it!
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12-07-2016, 02:41 AMbswpaytonI think what it is , is that astro gets so many nice skill so early on in comparison , and they dont really get their damage attacks until later like the ones u mention where as whm is more complete level 60 plus content, like u dont get ur aoe heal until 50. But I def can see me doing the harder content with astro because of the mobility I love presence of mind , but u still have to stand in the same spot and it can be interruptedQuote:
Originally Posted by Miste
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12-07-2016, 02:56 AMCherryCola
Well, Di Astro is pretty much just a WHM with better party support. Beside that they are similar, so it shouldn't be too bad switching between the two. With most of WHM's skills there is also some kind of equivalent or if not, a compensation that Astro has access to to even it up.
Play Astro, have fun and just switch to WHM whenever you're in the mood. You do not need to stop playing WHM, especially when you can already semi play one as a Di Astro. -
12-07-2016, 02:59 AMFived
I feel ya OP. Ran as a SCH for all of 2.0 and decided to try the new healer job when HW came out. Fell in love with it, and play it 99% of the time. The cards help to keep my attention during runs. End of the day, you be you, but welcome to the AST side.
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12-07-2016, 05:54 AMSeraphynaHow??? I have tons of quests all over the place, still haven't finished the MSQ, and have most jobs at 60. There's plenty for me to level up from through questing. But then again, my choco is at 20, and not through having other people feed him. It's all about how you play.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pintsized
And OP, I go back and forth between my main Whm and my Ast. Ast just can't compare to my Whm, it never does in any content. Switch back and forth. I switched from Drg as my main when they kept nerfing Whm >.> so yeah, just switch back and forth. -
12-07-2016, 06:13 AMLineageRazor
I switched from WHM to AST as my primary healing job - but not because I thought AST was better. I just found it to be more interesting to play. Both jobs are perfectly fine; they excel in different areas and it's not really fair to compare specific abilities to make a judgment. You have to consider the whole package. Play whichever one you want to play; don't waste time trying to figure out which is "better".
As was stated, if you can spare the time for it, it's best to have both available. They share almost all of the gear that they use, and by having both you'll be prepared for cases when a WHM is more appropriate to use, and other cases when an AST would be better. -
12-07-2016, 10:25 AMExiled_Tonberry
Switching mains can be hard I know. You want to play another job but you don't want to feel like you're abandoning your first job. It's a tough decision, even knowing that you can go back to the previous job at any time.
I say just go for whatever you have more fun with. Overtime you'll get over your main enough to not think about it after every run. -
12-07-2016, 01:15 PMYeolI used to main BRD before 3.4 after that I switched to MCH.Quote:
Originally Posted by bswpayton
I did this because I want to main ranged jobs BRD/MCH. Also, I want to be flexible with my static.
Reason I main MCH: I hardly ever see any good MCH around, same goes for BRD. But the reason I switch to MCH from BRD was because I've always admired them, the guns, their iL200 set is just too good. Each time I ended up with a MCH in party my eyes couldn't leave them. I leveled the job and enjoyed its' play-style then decided to main it over BRD. -
12-07-2016, 08:12 PMNessaWyvern
I used to play WHM and SCH, but switched to Astro because it felt like the two combined, plus it's own spin on things, and it feels totally OP to me :D