Worst Outcome Possible

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Originally Posted by Rukkirii

There aren't any water-based attack spells, but conjurers do control water-based spells. The break down of elements are as follows:
CNJ: Water/Wind/Earth
THM: Fire/Ice/Lightning

Also, there are no paralyze/poison/silence/absorb/slow and there aren't any plans to implement them before the launch of version 2.0. However, as we move forward, if it becomes absolutely necessary to utilize them, we will look into it.

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Time to spam skills and spells. An occasional combo to spice things up.
I didn't think Yoship would take it this far but I was wrong.

The french version of the post doesn't tell the same thing.

I'd wait to see the final patch notes and experience it before over-reacting.

Another assumption thread before patch.

LOL /closethread

It's from the horses mouth.
What more do you need?

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if it becomes absolutely necessary to utilize them, we will look into it.

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"Hey guys, it seems like this boss will be very hard to take down without DoT effects or trying to slow it's casting, so we're reintroducing enfeebles like Poison and Poison II, maybe even a new form of Osmose which will create a slow effect on spell casting."

..Huh, not that doom and gloom.

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Originally Posted by DeadRiser

Another assumption thread before patch.

LOL /closethread

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How is this assumption? Did you see the quote with your eyes?

This thread is still silly to think we will only spam skills

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Originally Posted by Lucifer

Time to spam skills and spells. An occasional combo to spice things up.
I didn't think Yoship would take it this far but I was wrong.

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Sigh.

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　∟PGL WS 4 O Self AoE AoE attack.
Combo: PGL WS 1, Bonus: Chance to inflict Slow.

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　∟PGL WS 6 Melee attack.
Combo: PGL WS 5, Bonus: Chance to dispel an effect.

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∟ARC WS 2 Ranged attack. Chance to inflict Heavy.
Combo: WS 1, Bonus: Increased Heavy duration.

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∟ARC WS 6 Ranged attack.
Combo: ARC WS 5, Bonus: Chance to inflict Blind.

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CNJ Mag. 7 O Puts the target to sleep.

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THM Mag. 1 O Puts the target to sleep.

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THM Mag. 3 O Deals ice damage to target. Chance to inflict Heavy.

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THM Mag. 4 O Self AoE Deals ice damage to all enemies within range. Chance to inflict Bind.

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There's more, but really, my interest in trying to speak to Lucifer has waned.

How do you know magic won't cost more to cost considering we only have like 15 abilities, and only a few are actual nukes? I mean just friggin wait till the patch is released before we blow up like idiots on the forums. I'm tired of this OMG THE GAME IS GONNA SUCK based on assumptions. You think they don't have an idea for a future mage class/job to debuff? No I don't know and neither do you. We wait and see what happens when it's implemented.

@the devil

if you take a step back for 2 seconds and look at things. you will see that the dev's have been restricted by what was already in place, there is only 2 DoM classes to work with, in final fantasy blackmage and whitemage are the original and trademark mages, so had to come first. yoshi has said more than once we need more mages. to give the magic that has been taken away now too con or thm would cancel the need for a new debuff mage. everything that is being done now is building up for 2.0. which if you read between the lines this is when you will see you debuff mage.

its all about the big picture

Know it all lvl 18.. I seen a few of these in my time.

It's kind of like a 4 year old saying life sucks.

I need new underwear from all the lulz.

OP scared me, the rest of the replies reassured me. Then I laughed.

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Originally Posted by Jinko

Know it all lvl 18.. I seen a few of these in my time.

It's kind of like a 4 year old saying life sucks.

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You're assuming this is my my only character. How naive. I would expect nothing less from someone who adds nothing to this community.

Answa all I see are movement restricting crap. This is what the game will be about. Moving away from spells. It's like I'm playing Rift.

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Originally Posted by Lucifer

You're assuming this is my my only character. How naive. I would expect nothing less from someone who adds nothing to this community.

Answa all I see are movement restricting crap. This is what the game will be about. Moving away from spells. It's like I'm playing Rift.

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A.) Don't hide your real character then.

B.) What? Did you not get the fact that they are preparing for another mage class? Sheesh

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Originally Posted by Lucifer

You're assuming this is my my only character. How naive. I would expect nothing less from someone who adds nothing to this community.

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What unlike you, who brings us these joyous thread of puke and vitriol.

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Answa all I see are movement restricting crap. This is what the game will be about. Moving away from spells. It's like I'm playing Rift.

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People like to interact and be part of a dynamic game instead of standing in the same spot spaming the same skill/spell over and over.

Debuffs never worked on fights that mattered anyways. And making them really powerful makes whatever class that uses them OP. Quite a conundrum. Pairing debuffs with damage spells/abilities makes it so even if you fail at the debuff you did SOMETHING. It's much better IMO.

Anyways we can still debuff with alchemy potions. This would be a nice way to bring Alchemy back as a viable craft, although it remains to be seen how they are intending to revamp the class.

Wahburger and McCries ready for the OP.

Debuffs needed to be reworked I agree, but removed? Holy hell.
They should be integral to fights, mandatory. They are just further pigeonholing classes. They will remove elemental weaknesses next and you just have to spam what ever is strongest at your current level. Then we will be using rotations to cycle through our skills.

And if they become mandatory whatever class has them will become 100% necessary, is my point.

They aren't all removed either. Most of them have been attached to skills from other classes so that everyone can contribute more. Positioning, combos, and proper usage of them is integral to the new abilities.

They were already usable by everyone because we could take any skill from any job!!

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Originally Posted by Lucifer

They will remove elemental weaknesses next and you just have to spam what ever is strongest at your current level.

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Funny you mention that, in FF11 most BLM would spam their newest learnt spell not because of elemental affinity vs the mob but because it was the most powerful.

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Then we will be using rotations to cycle through our skills.

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Nothing wrong with a good rotation :D

They also sucked horribly without affinity.

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Originally Posted by Lucifer

Debuffs needed to be reworked I agree, but removed? Holy hell.

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There are still debuffs in this game.

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Originally Posted by Lucifer

They will remove elemental weaknesses next

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They have stated nothing of this sort.

what's more crazy then splitting element types on different mage classes, instead of giving them set roles like you know every other FF has is the fact that FFXIV is probably the first FF that fucked up the mage classes so bad that i don't want to touch them anymore untill they're finally fixed.

i really don't want to touch current mage classes untill they're fixed up D:

@OP: I just hope they have a big ole RESET button in the event that some of these "reforms" suck as much as they sound like they will.. The Dev's went overboard with these reforms imo, basically just trying to create awhole new game that is sounding like it's going to fail all over again, though I hope not.. I thought people were starting to get into XIV since 1.18/1.19, yet now I'm hearing all these people who simply aren't excited about these reforms, myself included. I stuck with XIV through launch till now, sifting thru the mess to find myself a happy medium, but I don't have the energy to do that all over again.. /sigh /crossing fingers..

LOL @ all the people who complain and then when the update comes out realize they are stupid lol. Man my sig is gonna get way to big. I Will have to retire some lines and add new ones.

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Originally Posted by Rentahamster

There are still debuffs in this game.


They have stated nothing of this sort.

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I've come to the conclusion that the highlanders that post here are the stereotypical "all Brawn and no brains"

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Originally Posted by Jinko

Funny you mention that, in FF11 most BLM would spam their newest learnt spell not because of elemental affinity vs the mob but because it was the most powerful.

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I do believe the common saying among xi black mages was, Screw it nuke with thunder.

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Originally Posted by PrettyPrincess

I've come to the conclusion that the highlanders that post here are the stereotypical "all Brawn and no brains"

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This made me lol at work. Commence weird looks from coworkers.

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Originally Posted by Holy_Dragoon

This made me lol at work. Commence weird looks from coworkers.

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I do that all the time! lol

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Originally Posted by PrettyPrincess

I've come to the conclusion that the highlanders that post here are the stereotypical "all Brawn and no brains"

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Low level trolling.
You are quite possible the most uneducated simpleton this planet has conceived. Your posts are the equivalent to the crap I hear in Modern Warfare 3 games.

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Originally Posted by Lucifer

Low level trolling.
You are quite possible the most uneducated simpleton this planet has conceived. Your posts are the equivalent of the crap I hear in Modern Warfare 3 games.

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So...you hear yourself in the Modern Warfare games?

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Originally Posted by PrettyPrincess

So...you hear yourself in the Modern Warfare games?

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Wrong once again. You hear other people, people similar to yourself.

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Originally Posted by PrettyPrincess

I've come to the conclusion that the highlanders that post here are the stereotypical "all Brawn and no brains"

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hmm, i do take offence at that. but then again my fellow clan members might not be the brightest bulbs in the theme park.

me a big highlander,
i'll bring the pain,
the twelve made me strong,
but forgot to give me brain.

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Originally Posted by Answa

Sigh.

There's more, but really, my interest in trying to speak to Lucifer has waned.

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i dont think its correct to assume we will have high proc rates on some of those enfeebles sir.
its better to cast the enfeeble itself so as to assume that it should land rather than using another skill with the hopes that it just might proc.

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Originally Posted by grandm

hmm, i do take offence at that. but then again my fellow clan members might not be the brightest bulbs in the theme park.

me a big highlander,
i'll bring the pain,
the twelve made me strong,
but forgot to give me brain.

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I LIKE YOU THOUGH GRANDM.

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Wrong once again. You hear other people, people similar to yourself.

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So...I hear people with common sense? Of course I do :3

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Originally Posted by Lucifer

Wrong once again. You hear other people, people similar to yourself.

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I can't be the only one laughing at your calling someone else uneducated while simultaneously making repeated grammar errors while the person you're calling uneducated doesn't.

Excuse me for not using a semi-colon. My point still stands. You're just trying hard here.

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Originally Posted by Lucifer

Excuse me for not using a semi-colon. My point still stands. You're just trying hard here.

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I semicolon doesn't belong there. >_>

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Originally Posted by Viridiana

I semicolon doesn't belong there. >_>

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Amazing isn't it? bahahaa

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Originally Posted by Lucifer

Time to spam skills and spells. An occasional combo to spice things up.
I didn't think Yoship would take it this far but I was wrong.

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