Monk Macros using the Proper Rotation!

(EDIT) I created a Video demonstrating a side by side comparison of doing a simple rotation for Monk using a macro compared to no macros: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIh6eGFrxFs I will correctly apply that the more line items you add to your macro does add to the decrease of your overall dps. But using a simple macro as seen in my video clearly shows that the dps you lose in comparison is as I stated.....competitive. I already know that no matter the amount of information or prove that I provide will be enough to show validity to my information based on comments that my comparison was not the full rotation or that the dps shown was not accurate based on the method obtained, the bottomline is not that it is my 15 dollars and I will play the way I want to play. It boils down to trying to help new players and others use a built in system into FF14 that should be utilized if one does choose. I thank everyone on the feedback and as always I hope my information is useful to the those few that choose to use it!

(EDIT)I already knew after posting this last night I would get a alot of flak from Veteran players. Your only level 52(Maybe I have more than one account) Macros do not work because for they do not have fractional timing(My Macros are not Cast Sequence macros in which that statement relies, my macros are based solely on the press of a button) and so on. If you find my information wrong, please post a video of a explanation on why you make that statement with details as your proof. If my information does not work for you, please do not use it. But do not come unto my Youtube Channel and make threats to me in regards to bodily harm as 2 players have already done so I will not have to report it.

I created this video to help new players and veterans alike on macros I created with a rotation guide. I apologize the for the Audio but I have notes into my main 3 macros that I use and I hope it helps others. If you have have any comments on the information I have made on the video, I humble ask you to test the macros yourself and do a honest comparison before throw my information out of hand. I hope it helps others! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1OaUR0ZAg4

Watched all your video.

That is a lot of skills put together. Few things to point out about macro's is they may skip a line thus missing out on a action.

Also for openers you don't need to trigger all those other buffs like feather foot or blood bath. It would reduce your DPS by a small amount due to the fact you have to wait 1 second or so for those 2 to trigger buffs.

Also I'm no expert Monk but I don't pop B4B straight away either, I like to get my 3 GL ups, Dragon Kick, then pop B4B then hit it with my forbidden Chakra for that extra damage.

ALso about the line skipping, If I use your 2nd macro then it may bypass Steel Perk and then Trigger TS or I may not want to use SP at that time and save it to stun a enemy.

General you would want to avoid macro on MNK since Macos aint always reliable to work fully.

But like I mentioned I aint no expert monk so we'll wait to see what the more pro's say.

I'm sorry but never put your GCDs together with oGCDs, while I'm against using macros for combat overall except some special cases, putting oGCDs together with GCDs is a big no. The reason for that is that if you have 2 or more coming up at the same time you'll be clipping your GCDs and losing time, this is especially true for monk with their 2 sec GCD. oGCDs while they shouldn't really be macroed there's people who are not able to do it due to medical reasons and therefore wouldn't be able to pop them without a macro, but for a healthy person clicking them shouldn't be too hard with practice and not having a 12 button mouse is no excuse as I don't use my mouse for anything other than movement, everything is bound to the keyboard, it only takes practice and planning to make it possible.

The second issue with using GCD macros is as can be noted in the video, delays on every GCD used. This is because the game usually recognizes imput before the ability is actually ready. But when using macros it only checks it once the ability is of cooldown. This makes it so that the delay is equal to your ping. So for someone with 20 ms that's a 0.02 delay which is equal to a loss 52.8 skill speed. For someone with 100 ping this is a 0.1 delay or 264.1 skill speed and due to GL for monk the increase in SS "lost" it's multiplied by 1.15, so a large loss overall. There's only 7 GCDs for monk which isn't hard to hotkey.

eh, macros shouldn't be used on dps classes, ever. putting a macro on a mnk makes it even worse.....

Watched your vid and I just want to say your video automatically proves the issue with gcd macros. Despite what you said and thought you already lost a gcd. Perfect balance dropped before you got your 5th gcd under perfect balance. Same thing happened at the end of the video. There should be some videos you can watch to show the effects of any macros on gcds over a period of time.

Also to correct something minor. I believe you called them cast macros or something. While variable speed from gl would screw them up the larger reason they are bad is because they can only be created for whole numbers. A macro with a 2.5 wait time will not activate until 3 seconds. My gcd is about 2.10 seconds under gl3. If I tried to create a macro for a 2.10 gcd it wouldn't activate until 3 seconds.

My tip to you is instead to drop all gcd macros. And instead work out you hotbar/keybinds so that your gcds are on the same buttons but with a modifier (1,2,3 and shift 1, 2, 3). If you want or need to, keep the buffs on macros to cut down on abilities (something I still dont recommend but I can accept this compromise) but those need to have the defensive buffs removed. Put them on a seperate macro. You wouldn't use defensive skills if you won't take damage. Your just wasting 1 second for each one you hit.

You cant be for real with this first off as others have said macros are purely bad for the GCD Please dont use them.
also your rotation is completely wrong like dont be throwing up touch of death before you have Greased lightning 3 up and twin snakes and dragon kick.
next why you using feather foot completely useless and for the love of god why are you popping 3 ogcd's at once you are clipping you global cooldown alot.

You claim there is alot of buttons on monk when in fact for a dps it has the simplest rotation out there with very little skills to have to worry about just talking about pve here you can forget all about one ilm punch, feather foot and haymaker, ofcoarse thats only my opinion that it is easy to manage but it does use alot less skills than say a dragoon for example where i have to fully use 2 crossbars on a controller to map out all of its skills
and lastly you should have fracture in there too i highly suggest anyone new to the class ignore this persons advice as it is all wrong and instead dont use macros ever trust me ive tried them in the past (this is coming from a top tier monk that has been playing monk since june 2014) and head on over to the monk thread which can teach you everything you will need to know http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...AKRA-UNLEASHED

Disregarding all the flaws macros have and assume they work perfectly and can be queued like normal abilities would be, there's still one glaring question: why?

You're effectively shrinking the job to 6(?) buttons, but to what end? I would understand the usage of this kind of system if you have a legitimate disability that say limits your finger movement, but to a normal person pressing those few extra buttons shouldn't prove to be a challenge at all. Who is this guide for? You've bound abilities that have 30-90 seconds of cooldown (except for PB). Your macros are effectively saving the user 2-3 button presses per minute. Is that really worth the "automation" and dumbing down the gameplay at the cost of DPS?

As for the actual state of the macros, what if you want to for example save Bloodbath or any offensive cooldown for when you actually NEED them? There are plenty of times where you'd want to hold on to your buffs rather than popping them immediately as they come up, same for OGCDs albeit more situationally.

Why did you recreate your post a second time with absolutely no alterations? Just now you don't have 6 pages of people telling you that you shouldn't be spreading misinformation about this being a way to do competitive DPS.

Leaving the video that dis-proves GCD macro use.

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Originally Posted by Kitfox

I'd just like to point out that you were actually provided with perfect side-by-side video comparison by another poster. Maybe you overlooked it: https://youtu.be/czzLF4IfFaM?t=255
The difference is very visible between the two sides. Using macros has a compounding delay effect that leads to flat 5-10% dps loss depending on your latency and button mashing compared to queueing GCDs normally.

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This is a really good troll, or you're in fantasy land. Not sure which!

Bad player alert :p haha. Seriously though, stop it, now.

Oh boy, this thread again. Welp, I'll go ahead and post this here too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFCRXdFR7iw

Mind you, this isn't for madruck who's just going to ignore it again, but for any new player that might actually be considering using macros.