More 50 x Cure3 test results

I don't want to bother other ppl's thread too much, so make a separated thread here :D

I tested various condition based on 50 cure 3 results with thamaturge. Tested subjects are mind, water magic potency, Piety, healing magic potency, magic eva. Here is the google doc

Some conjure results are here

in sum, +11 water magic pot do nothing to curing( will do it again after patch1.20) [Note: based on ppl's discussion about missing water elements in 1.20 here]

+12 healing magic pot added 18hp(1.9%) on conj normal cure 3 and 14hp (1.4%) on total including crit healing of conj's cure 3
added 10hp (1.36%) on thm normal cure 3 and 19hp(4%) increase on thm 50 cure3 avg including crit heal

+14 piety It does nothing in normal healing but increased the crit heal rate... bring the total 50 avg increased 15hp (2.2%) based on thm cure3

+8 mind It does increase healing amount. Based on thm test, it increased 5~6hp (0.5-0.7%) out of normal cure avg (90+ times normal cure so the error rate should be lower than other comparison).
[Note: use naked vs naked +14 pie, normal healing avg is +-1hp I think that set this normal avg cure error amount for 50 test samples should be within +-2 hp. So there is slightly chance that mind is doing nothing just I'm got the +2 on one test and -2 on other. But, I think it's low...]

Magic eva It seems decreased the cure crit healing rate... however due to only 3-6 crit out of 50 tests, the test body still too little to be conclusive... some test description at here

I'm going to assume by your results that.

Mnd = Healing potency
Pie = Healing cap

Currently heal spells have a "Hard cap" that they wont go over, possibly determined by a players Piety or certain skills "Prime conditioning"

This can easilly be seen with skills like Bloodbath II that drain 100% of your damage (To a certain cap) if someone happened to be more energetic than me with a marauder at 50 they could test this easilly. Bloodbath II will only cure so many HP regardless of the damage you inflict (I think it was around 800HP for my character)

Equiping something with + Pie to see if that raises the capped heal rate would be rather easy...but I'm lazy.

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Originally Posted by Jynx

I\\'m going to assume by your results that.

Mnd = Healing potency
Pie = Healing cap

Currently heal spells have a "Hard cap" that they wont go over, possibly determined by a players Piety or certain skills "Prime conditioning"

This can easilly be seen with skills like Bloodbath II that drain 100% of your damage (To a certain cap) if someone happened to be more energetic than me with a marauder at 50 they could test this easilly. Bloodbath II will only cure so many HP regardless of the damage you inflict (I think it was around 800HP for my character)

Equiping something with + Pie to see if that raises the capped heal rate would be rather easy...but I\\'m lazy.

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I have gotten over 1500 from bloodbath II. I dont believe there is a cap anymore

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Originally Posted by Mister-Wonderful

I have gotten over 1500 from bloodbath II. I dont believe there is a cap anymore

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Bloodbath II is an ability, not a healing spell. The underlying functions are completely different, none of these results would even apply to Bloodbath.

That being said, very interesting test results! I like seeing tests like these have some kind of concrete outcome, helps me better understand what gear I should use. Keep up the good work!

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Originally Posted by Razor

Bloodbath II is an ability, not a healing spell. The underlying functions are completely different, none of these results would even apply to Bloodbath.

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Yes, you are quite right. I was merely replying to what jynx brought up :)

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Originally Posted by Mister-Wonderful

I have gotten over 1500 from bloodbath II. I dont believe there is a cap anymore

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Ahh they must have changed it then, I do remember having a hard cap on how much I could heal with Bloodbath II

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Originally Posted by Jynx

Currently heal spells have a "Hard cap" that they wont go over, possibly determined by a players Piety or certain skills "Prime conditioning"

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As of now, this statement has no factual bases that I am aware of. Many other threads dispute this with actual evedince. Do you have evidence to support your claim ?

Also it seems cure spells crt higher on lower lvl chars, When i was pl'ing a friend on my THM 50 and he was on LNC 8, my SAC crt for 1.4k~ hp several times.

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Originally Posted by Firon

Also it seems cure spells crt higher on lower lvl chars, When i was pl'ing a friend on my THM 50 and he was on LNC 8, my SAC crt for 1.4k~ hp several times.

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I've also noticed this.

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Originally Posted by Firon

Also it seems cure spells crt higher on lower lvl chars, When i was pl'ing a friend on my THM 50 and he was on LNC 8, my SAC crt for 1.4k~ hp several times.

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hmm it is lv dependent. I did have a whole thread about it :P
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ulation-Method

Tested with different level of classes and the crit decreased with level increased.
"So I used my mule change the job between L14 cul, L21 alcemist, L27 fisher, and L42 conj. My crit for cure 3 were: 16xx, 16xx, 15xx, 13xx.
while normal cure 3 still stay around 9xx."

I spent a few hours testing this and the current ratio of effective cure when (you are lvl 50 and your target is lvl 50 AND both have pugulist healing +10 trait):

1healing potency has the same effect as 2.667MND

this means if you equip a 10 healing potency hat you will have the same avg cure as equipping a hat with 26MND.


The tricky part in figuring this out was that adding healing potency does nothing to your stat window except effect healing potency. BUT MND has a dual affect adding MND increases the power of your cures by around .25 per MND but is also increases healing potency every +5MND.

Bottom line: 1healing pot = 2.667MND



EDIT: Another very interesting thing to note and this affects all dmg types in my opinion is that when you find your range of possible values based on stats the likelyhood of getting any number in your range is equal. In FFXI you could influence your RNG by adjusting certain stats where in FFXIV I feel that if your range of possible non crit cures is say 950-1000 then you are equally likely to get any of those cure values and this makes it very easy to calculate the avg cure w/o doing extensive testing and just conclude that 975 is the avg assuming the min is 950 and max is 1000

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Some conjure results are here

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This data falls right in line with everything I posted above, I have some testing of myself but my parser can't filter out crits so it skews the data, when you crit a cure there is nothing special posted in the log. I might filter out when the cure value goes over a certain threashold for myself when I crit I hit C3's around 1200

I think instead of adding normal healing value, the other direction is adding "magic crit rate". Just like melee adding crit att rate can increase damage per unit of time, adding magic crit rate will help some. So, I think not filtering out crits is good and more completed data. However, magic crit materia still expensive ^^:

while + earth magic pot is not bad... use stoneskin with lots earth magic pot can prevent got knock back by ifrit and create healing discontinue time to the tank. :D However, it must fully block the 450-500 dmg of that move. defender 2 + garnet earrings x2 + electrum circulet (fire resist one) can do 95% complete block... only sometimes Ifrit is too angry or stoneskin fluctuate to the low value will get single digit dmg and get knock back ^^: